Winning Legal Advice For Donald J. Trump

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: UKTruth

He did have the DOJ investigate. We also found out he had 2 additional companies investigate. He received an answer he didn't like.

We will see, but it does not seem to be legal to ask to find a certain number of votes, nor to work with outside sources to execute a whole plan that turned out to be fraudulent electors. That does not seem to be the way to actually find fraud.

He received the same non answers we all did.
The evidence was stacked 1000's pages high and the circumstances shady enough for a full investigation - which was never done due to time.
In fact, what the protesters were asking for on Jan 6th was a 10 day delay for a proper investigation.
The idea that a full investigation was done by that time is a myth.

originally posted by: atsalex2
Who even certifies that an insurrection did actually take place?? Just blah blah blah from idiots...

The injured cops!! Want the youtube videos?

thehill.com...

originally posted by: lilzazz

originally posted by: atsalex2
Who even certifies that an insurrection did actually take place?? Just blah blah blah from idiots...

The injured cops!! Want the youtube videos?

thehill.com...

Injuries determine insurrection?
Oh.
I guess there are a lot of BLM and Antifa insurrections that are yet to be arrested.

a reply to: UKTruth

Yeah but you’re not seeing it thru the lens of hurt feelings. He said mean things. Something about very fine people on both sides that let you grab them by the coyotes with your tiny orange hands. You’re seeing it objectively. That’s the problem.

originally posted by: lilzazz

originally posted by: atsalex2
Who even certifies that an insurrection did actually take place?? Just blah blah blah from idiots...

The injured cops!! Want the youtube videos?

thehill.com...

And then there's this!

The Congress finds the following:
(1) Every day, the United States Capitol Police (``Capitol
Police'') protects the U.S. Capitol, Members of Congress,
congressional staff and institutional staff, journalists, and
the visiting public.
(2) On January 6, 2021, a mob of insurrectionists forced its
way into the U.S. Capitol building and congressional office
buildings and engaged in acts of vandalism, looting, and
violently attacked Capitol Police officers.

It's and ACT!

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: lilzazz

originally posted by: atsalex2
Who even certifies that an insurrection did actually take place?? Just blah blah blah from idiots...

The injured cops!! Want the youtube videos?

thehill.com...

Injuries determine insurrection?
Oh.
I guess there are a lot of BLM and Antifa insurrections that are yet to be arrested.

Fool.

You don't understand how any of this works, clearly.

Insurrection is what I say it is and only what I say it is. Double standards and hypocrisy need not apply because of Orange man. (as well as lack of any values)

Also, good to see ya.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

psssst.

It's a legal statute.

Sorry the facts refute allegations and assertions.

/shrug

a reply to: UKTruth

Well both occurred:

insurrection- a violent uprising against an authority or government.

Seditious Conspiracy-If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof.

The penalty for Seditious Conspiracy is much harsher than insurrection and we do have numerous convictions of it for J6

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: UKTruth

Well both occurred:

insurrection- a violent uprising against an authority or government.

Seditious Conspiracy-If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof.

The penalty for Seditious Conspiracy is much harsher than insurrection and we do have numerous convictions of it for J6

You problem is you think seditious conspiracy applies to an organised protest against election rigging.
It doesn't.
Even if it did, it has nothing to do with Trump.

As for insurrection , well by that definition we have had several with nary a word.
Countless uprisings against Trump including an attempt to storm the Whitehouse so serious that the Secret Service had to rush the President of the United States into a bunker.
I seem to recall the reaction to that was HAHA Trump hid in a bunker.

Stop with the BS.
Any fool can see Jan 6th for what it was and it certainly wasn't an insurrection.
It's an hysterical and partisan political hit job.

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: lilzazz

originally posted by: atsalex2
Who even certifies that an insurrection did actually take place?? Just blah blah blah from idiots...

The injured cops!! Want the youtube videos?

thehill.com...

Injuries determine insurrection?
Oh.
I guess there are a lot of BLM and Antifa insurrections that are yet to be arrested.

Fool.

You don't understand how any of this works, clearly.

Insurrection is what I say it is and only what I say it is. Double standards and hypocrisy need not apply because of Orange man. (as well as lack of any values)

Also, good to see ya.

As I mentioned in the last post, the Whitehouse was stormed and Trump evacuated to a bunker. Didn't;t hear a word about uprisings or insurrection from the left - in fact I only heard much joy and laughter from them that Trump had to hide.
This is the kind of hypocritical BS that passes for political debate these days.

Thanks - managed to get my account back after password issue.

a reply to: UKTruth

It won't matter what standard is set.

Chaz/Chop?
Burned out local and federal buildings?
Officers hurt/injured and killed?
Interrupted gov't proceedings?

Whichever angle they wish to pursue, there is an analog. Very recent ones at that where the same standard is not applied and that is the problem because it's clearly obvious how political that standard is levied.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Sookiechacha

psssst.

It's a legal statute.

Sorry the facts refute allegations and assertions.

/shrug

Wait. Aren't you guys arguing that only Congress can decide what an insurrection is, under the 14th Amendment? Not some judge(s) in Colorado?

a reply to: UKTruth

You seem to know more about U.S. law and our Constitution than most Americans. You also break it down and explain well. Kudos to your critical thinking skills and unbiased formal education.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Sookiechacha

psssst.

It's a legal statute.

Sorry the facts refute allegations and assertions.

/shrug

Wait. Aren't you guys arguing that only Congress can decide what an insurrection is, under the 14th Amendment? Not some judge(s) in Colorado?

I am, IDK who else is.

Which is why the statute exists......

a reply to: UKTruth

The WH was never "stormed" they never made it through the police line in front of barriers at the edge of Lafayette Square.

The protesters reclaimed a slice of Lafayette Square that had been the dividing line with the police on Saturday night. As they got closer to the White House, teenagers covered a park bathroom structure in graffiti like “AMERIKKKA” and climbed atop for a better view. The police periodically lobbed tear gas into the crowd and announced over a megaphone their intent to push the protesters back. But as night fell, they had yet to succeed. But as the evening continued, the demonstrations turned into a repeat of the previous night. The police reclaimed ground in the park, and the crowds retreated to H Street.

NYT

ETA: figured I should link.

originally posted by: SourGrapes
a reply to: UKTruth

You seem to know more about U.S. law and our Constitution than most Americans. You also break it down and explain well. Kudos to your critical thinking skills and unbiased formal education.

Much time in the political threads and seeking real answers as debates cropped up means I have read a lot into the Declaration of Independence, the subsequent codifying of that declaration into the Constitution and then the Bill of Rights and then also, of course, the broader discussions in Philadelphia around the specific wording in the Constitution.

These days, alas, it seems to be rather useless knowledge as the rules now seem to be based on who has political power, not any guiding principles , rights, laws or due process - and fools are willing to play along as long as it's their side holding the tiller.

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Sookiechacha

psssst.

It's a legal statute.

Sorry the facts refute allegations and assertions.

/shrug

Wait. Aren't you guys arguing that only Congress can decide what an insurrection is, under the 14th Amendment? Not some judge(s) in Colorado?

I am, IDK who else is.

Which is why the statute exists......

And now there's also a congressional ACT, that defines the Jan 6th events as an insurrection.

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: UKTruth

The WH was never "stormed" they never made it through the police line in front of barriers at the edge of Lafayette Square.

The protesters reclaimed a slice of Lafayette Square that had been the dividing line with the police on Saturday night. As they got closer to the White House, teenagers covered a park bathroom structure in graffiti like “AMERIKKKA” and climbed atop for a better view. The police periodically lobbed tear gas into the crowd and announced over a megaphone their intent to push the protesters back. But as night fell, they had yet to succeed.

NYT

ETA: figured I should link.

Has your definition changed to whether an attempted insurrection and seditious conspiracy is successful or not?
So what of they didn't actually manage to get to the President?

You have a double standard fella.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Sookiechacha

psssst.

It's a legal statute.

Sorry the facts refute allegations and assertions.

/shrug

Wait. Aren't you guys arguing that only Congress can decide what an insurrection is, under the 14th Amendment? Not some judge(s) in Colorado?

I am, IDK who else is.

Which is why the statute exists......

And now there's also a congressional ACT, that defines the Jan 6th events as an insurrection.

And?

That doesn't absolve due process for citizens.

But we know how you view due process...

ETA:

You'll also want to have a gander at Article I Section 9 of the US Constitution....

a reply to: UKTruth

Even if it did, it has nothing to do with Trump.

LOL

Just LOL

They were there because Trump invited them. Some said they were deputized by Donald Trump! When Trump told them to go home, only then would they start packing up and leave.