Winning Legal Advice For Donald J. Trump

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: IgorMartinez

Why doesn’t Trump’s legal team make the claim that Trump believes it was an act of God that he lost the election?

As the majority of Americans are not sure if God exists, i don't think that claim would hold much credence.

If he exists, he has yet again let the snake in the garden while napping.

originally posted by: SourGrapes
Why can't Biden be removed for being a pedophile? Isn't pedophilia illegal in the U.S.?

Any 'ole pedophile can be president, just so long as they haven't engaged in insurrection after having taken an oath to support the US Constitution

a reply to: Irishhaf

Do you see Trump’s attorney’s trying to stall the decision with due process arguments? I haven’t heard this argument anywhere but ATS.

I love how the liberals dig deep and dust off things like the 14th Amendment, RICO law, Mann Act, Foreign Agents Registration Act ETC and all of sudden they all are Constitutional scholars as they spin whatever to fit some off-the-wall accusations.

a reply to: IgorMartinez



"Therefore he can be convicted of insurrection, and the 14th Amendment clearly applies to the ballot ban."

Hogwash...the 14th amendment clearly invests in congress the sole power to address insurrection.

This has been done through the impeachment process in which insurrection was addressed, and failed to convict.


Thinking that because congress didn't convict on the insurrection charge, oh hey let's use the judicial system instead, completely over ruling congress.


Not going to happen.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: IgorMartinez
Trump did not have the right to make those claims to a crowd to ask them to pressure on legislators to not certify the election.

I dunno. I'm not a Trump fan ... but doesn't he have the right to have the opinion that there was cheating and to call on people to help prove it and to not certify something that he thought was illegal?

Kinda murky there ....

He didn't call for an overthrow. He said that the election wasn't legitimate. Kinda different I think.

Yeah , it's Called a " Recount " , and that is a Perfect Legal and Lawful Challenge .

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Any 'ole pedophile can be president

And you would happily support them.

a reply to: RickinVa

Thinking that because congress didn't convict on the insurrection charge, oh hey let's use the judicial system instead, completely over ruling congress.

Nobody is trying to overrule Congress.

The Senate didn't convict Trump, after the House impeached him, because they decided Trump was ineligible for impeachment, seeing how he wasn't president when the Senate got the case. According to McConnel, they didn't even consider evidence that he might have incited an insurrection.

McConnel made a long speech about it, and the ways Trump could still be held liable for his actions and culpability of Jan th's events.



I don't know why y'all are so surprised that it's all happening now.

That turned out to be a mess. Never mind

a reply to: IgorMartinez

Has he been charged with insurrection?

has he been convicted of insurrection?

if the answer is no, how can they apply the 14th?

Also like I said, when actual rebels against the fed were allowed to run for and hold office after the civil war it kind of shows the lack of teeth in the 14th.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: SourGrapes
Why can't Biden be removed for being a pedophile? Isn't pedophilia illegal in the U.S.?

Any 'ole pedophile can be president, just so long as they haven't engaged in insurrection after having taken an oath to support the US Constitution

Good thing we dont have an instance of someone running for president who has done as such..

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: IgorMartinez

Due process says the 14th cannot be applied yet.

50+ actual rebels being allowed to serve the nation politically after the civil war (house, senate, and appointed positions) also suggest that the 14th doesnt quite have the punch some people think.

This is the key and leftists should be very very careful if they want it otherwise. When you can disqualify political opponents by simply being the opposite political party and "declaring" or other extra-legal means calling them criminal, you wind up with a "if we have the votes, we can disqualify" political party action. How will you feel when the power balance isn't in your favor any more. Sorry there lefty. You supported revolutionary antifa...shrug...too bad, no can run.

Imagine for a second if the "charge" to disqualify was pedophilia. Any opposing party with support could simple call you a pedophile without ANY criminal due process to get you removed. Imagine if we just start handling all charges this way. Sounds like utopia, doesn't it?

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: SourGrapes
Why can't Biden be removed for being a pedophile? Isn't pedophilia illegal in the U.S.?

Any 'ole pedophile can be president, just so long as they haven't engaged in insurrection after having taken an oath to support the US Constitution

Good thing we dont have an instance of someone running for president who has done as such..

For context:

originally posted by: SourGrapes
Why can't Biden be removed for being a pedophile? Isn't pedophilia illegal in the U.S.?

How would you answer this question?

a reply to: Irishhaf

I thought the judgment to make in this case is whether or not Trump committed insurrection.

Looks to me like this decision is the due process.

a reply to: IgorMartinez

Due process is a requirement that legal matters be resolved according to established rules and principles and that individuals be treated fairly. Due process applies to both civil and criminal matters.

Some random judge appears to have said he thinks it was insurrection there was no discovery, no presenting evidence no legal decision made, so no due process. (this is why trumps numbers are rising among groups of people that feel alienated by the system they seem him getting screwed as well)

(J6 kangaroo court doesnt count, I mean actual legal due process)

a reply to: Sookiechacha

How would you answer this question?

Where is the charge....

a reply to: IgorMartinez

Looks to me like this decision is the due process.

How do you even begin to argue against this stupidity.......

a reply to: IgorMartinez

We'll let the Appeals Court and the Supreme Court rule on the "Presidential Immunity" extent first. That will set the tone for all Trump-related legal discussions thereafter. (And if Biden can face the reactivated federal firing squad in 2025.)

a reply to: Irishhaf

I'm not sure where you're getting that information from. Here is a snippet about the case at the time and testimony from witnesses on both sides in the Colorado trial.

After testimony earlier this week from plaintiffs’ witnesses — who included a U.S. congressman, two police officers assaulted by the Jan. 6 mob and experts on right-wing extremism, national security policy and the history of the 14th Amendment — Trump’s defense team has called a series of current and former Trump advisors and allies to the witness stand to testify about the events of that day.Later on Thursday, Trump’s attorneys called Tom Bjorklund, the treasurer of the Colorado Republican Party and a veteran GOP political operative, to testify about what he witnessed near the Capitol on Jan. 6. Bjorklund was associated with the U.S. Election Integrity Plan, a conspiracist group founded by several Colorado-based election deniers.

Later on Thursday, Trump’s attorneys called Tom Bjorklund, the treasurer of the Colorado Republican Party and a veteran GOP political operative, to testify about what he witnessed near the Capitol on Jan. 6. Bjorklund was associated with the U.S. Election Integrity Plan, a conspiracist group founded by several Colorado-based election deniers.Later on Thursday, Trump’s attorneys called Tom Bjorklund, the treasurer of the Colorado Republican Party and a veteran GOP political operative, to testify about what he witnessed near the Capitol on Jan. 6. Bjorklund was associated with the U.S. Election Integrity Plan, a conspiracist group founded by several Colorado-based election deniers.

There was a trial. Not a criminal trial. A dismissal trial.

Colorado News


After this case, the Colorado Supreme Court followed normal procedures with both sides presenting an oral argument. The Supreme Court had the trial transcripts.

a reply to: frogs453

and . . . . . the original "trial" 🦘️

315. As a result, the Court holds that Section Three of the Fourteenth
Amendment does not apply to Trump.

. . .

VI. CONCLUSION
Pursuant to the above, the Court ORDERS the Secretary of State to place Donald
J. Trump on the presidential primary ballot when it certifies the ballot on January 5,
2024


November 17, 2023 -- Case No.: 2023CV32577 -- DISTRICT COURT, CITY AND COUNTY OF
DENVER, STATE OF COLORADO