Winning Legal Advice For Donald J. Trump

a reply to: Sookiechacha

No. I don't why you think the argument is meaningless. Obviously not everyone in the Senate voted to acquit, but the official Republican stance of why they voted not to convict Trump was made for the record by Mirch McConnell.

And? I'm not a republican and I think Mconnel is human scum.

There's a difference between meaningless and something already having precedent. On is subjective and the other proves your position wrong.

Trump's lawyers are in court right now claiming presidential immunity, partly because he wasn't convicted of the charge of inciting an insurrection by the Senate.

Ok, so then were is the divergence from my argument to theirs?

"And? I'm not a republican and I think Mconnel is human scum."


Ditto...McConnell is a snake in the grass...too much chinese money.

a reply to: JinMI

There's a difference between meaningless and something already having precedent. On is subjective and the other proves your position wrong.

What position?

The fact that Trump's lawyers argued he was ineligible to be impeached/convicted isn't my position. What McConnell said is what he said, not "my position".

The fact that Trum's attorney, just today, was arguing in front the Appeals court that Trump can't be held accountable because he wasn't convicted in the Senate is not my position.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Indeed Sookie....

What position indeed.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Sookiechacha

Indeed Sookie....

What position indeed.

These debates are becoming more and more meaningless by the day.
There is now an inbuilt need for some to believe there was an insurrection. They can't live without it.

a reply to: JinMIIf you

Sir, cmon. "He has a gun! Run!"...panic ensues, couples climbing over chairs, many hysterical to get out, some minor injuries. Patrons in the parking lot...you apparently still just sitting inside.

Out comes running a manager. "False alarm. Cmon back in folks. That guy's was just kidding It's ok!"

That event, instigated by 1, negatively affecting all...is illegal, and not "free speech". It fact against most statues in most jurisdictions.

originally posted by: mysterioustranger
a reply to: JinMIIf you

Sir, cmon. "He has a gun! Run!"...panic ensues, couples climbing over chairs, many hysterical to get out, some minor injuries. Patrons in the parking lot...you apparently still just sitting inside.

Out comes running a manager. "False alarm. Cmon back in folks. That guy's was just kidding It's ok!"

That event, instigated by 1, negatively affecting all...is illegal, and not "free speech". It fact against most statues in most jurisdictions.

where in that speech did Trump say to riot? Where did he call for a insurrection in his tweets? Democrats use"fight like hell" and do not mean literally do so. Almost all politicians do so.

And nixon was charged with a crime as president. Yeah,because he actually admitted he did so in a guilty plea. They avoided a impeachment and as a condition in his pardon he left office in exchange for the pardon.
Trump has not admitted to being guilty and as such has to be impeached and found guilty by the senate to be held liable for his speech during his j6 speech. HE has immunity for those words he spoke while president.
Also with the vote accusations,because they involve national security.

The Supreme court will not want to open up all former presidents to lawfare and as such i almost gaurantee they will say trump has limited immunity and those two topics are covered by it.

a reply to: yuppa

I have NEVER used that word nor said he invited anything.

I've been careful not to categorize it personally as an "insurrection", "revolt", "riot", "uprising"....

You ..called it a "riot". Please read carefully before posting things ....✌️

a reply to: mysterioustranger

The correct non sensationalist vernacular would be "raid". Or "incursion" if one insists on dressing it up without over hyping it.

a reply to: mysterioustranger

Re-reading your post? I thought better of you before...it's ok.

Quick question. 1969-I had a bar rock band, married at 18, college bound, approaching my 1st chance to vote.

My political views began then. What part of your political education were you compiling in 1969?

I was marching in the streets of Ann Arbor, Berkeley, Kent State. What were you up to politically that year?

Many folks base 20-30 yrs of informational internet to compile theories based on history.

Some of us, lived that history. 'welcome....

originally posted by: mysterioustranger
a reply to: yuppa

I have NEVER used that word nor said he invited anything.

I've been careful not to categorize it personally as an "insurrection", "revolt", "riot", "uprising"....

You ..called it a "riot". Please read carefully before posting things ....✌️

Instigation(your use of it)implies trumps speech and tweets caused the riot on J6. that what is actually was btw since NO ONE has been charged with insurrection that day. You didnt have to use the word,its loud as a dog whistle.

a reply to: yuppa

Hmm, 174 Jan. 6th criminal defendants say Trump incited them.

The defendants who argued that Trump called them to the Capitol and to violence on January 6th were residents of 37 states, from Hawaii to Florida, and Maine to California. Far from a convenient protest of residents from DC and neighboring states (only 8 of the 174 defendants came from Virginia or Maryland, and none came from DC), this was a mass mobilization.

Nicholas Languerand, who assaulted officers with a traffic barrier, pepper spray can, and other objects, posted a “#MessageFor45” on Twitter four days after Trump’s “will be wild” tweet, saying “We’re picking up your messages, and we’re listening. We’re ready to do this thing. We’re ready to fight to defend our republic against all enemies, foreign and domestic.”

Douglas Austin Jensen, who chased Capitol Police officer Eugene Goodman up a flight of stairs inside the Capitol, told investigators, “Trump posted make sure you’re there, January 6 for the rally in Washington, D.C. … and then he got us all fired up to go to [the Capitol].”

Ayres had gone to the Capitol because, as he put it, “the President got everybody riled up and told everybody to head on down. So we basically was just following what he said.”

CREW

There are more examples than those. Their own attorneys state they were incited.

In court filings which I've linked numerous times, the Oath Keepers noted Trump's words throughout Nov/Dec inspired them to create their whole, hold the Capitol Seditious Conspiracy plan. Daniel Rodriguez joined a group who "trained" and gathered weapons beforehand after Trump told them to come in December, and also discussed what they would do if they were in the Capitol for weeks according to his FBI interview.

a reply to: IgorMartinez

Act of god eh?

Do you really think Trump believes in God?

Have you seen the way he holds a Bible.

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: yuppa

Hmm, 174 Jan. 6th criminal defendants say Trump incited them.

The defendants who argued that Trump called them to the Capitol and to violence on January 6th were residents of 37 states, from Hawaii to Florida, and Maine to California. Far from a convenient protest of residents from DC and neighboring states (only 8 of the 174 defendants came from Virginia or Maryland, and none came from DC), this was a mass mobilization.

Nicholas Languerand, who assaulted officers with a traffic barrier, pepper spray can, and other objects, posted a “#MessageFor45” on Twitter four days after Trump’s “will be wild” tweet, saying “We’re picking up your messages, and we’re listening. We’re ready to do this thing. We’re ready to fight to defend our republic against all enemies, foreign and domestic.”

Douglas Austin Jensen, who chased Capitol Police officer Eugene Goodman up a flight of stairs inside the Capitol, told investigators, “Trump posted make sure you’re there, January 6 for the rally in Washington, D.C. … and then he got us all fired up to go to [the Capitol].”

Ayres had gone to the Capitol because, as he put it, “the President got everybody riled up and told everybody to head on down. So we basically was just following what he said.”

CREW

There are more examples than those. Their own attorneys state they were incited.

In court filings which I've linked numerous times, the Oath Keepers noted Trump's words throughout Nov/Dec inspired them to create their whole, hold the Capitol Seditious Conspiracy plan. Daniel Rodriguez joined a group who "trained" and gathered weapons beforehand after Trump told them to come in December, and also discussed what they would do if they were in the Capitol for weeks according to his FBI interview.

Defense lawyers will say anything to get their clients off, and will coach their clients on what to say.

174 idiots blaming Trump? There are a lot more idiots than that, look at all the Leftists that blame him.
Quote the exact words Trump used again please that incited these guys to attack?
These excuses are weak.

a reply to: RazorV66

174 that actually attacked the Capitol. I can see you didn't read the link or you would find your examples there. Here are the own words of a few of the "Patriots". There are more though in the link. You can read to the end of the link to see what those said on the 6th itself. Who had no plan to go to the Capitol that day until Trump told them to.

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: RazorV66

174 that actually attacked the Capitol. I can see you didn't read the link or you would find your examples there. Here are the own words of a few of the "Patriots". There are more though in the link. You can read to the end of the link to see what those said on the 6th itself. Who had no plan to go to the Capitol that day until Trump told them to.

I didn’t say quote the idiots, I said quote Trump’s exact words that told these clowns to attack.
We’ve all heard and seen what Trump said publicly and there was no “Orders to Attack”, unless of course you are saying that Trump can control people with Jedi mind tricks without actually sayin “Attack the Capitol”

You guys are pissing in the wind with these fabricated stories that Trump told anyone to attack anything, it’s pure garbage.
Really can’t understand how you guys cannot see that it’s garbage but your minds are so conditioned to hate Orange Man Bad for everything.

a reply to: yuppa

I only said " We all saw it. The images, blood, swinging sticks, climbers like spiderman up the Capital walls."

Does this bother you much? Geez...

a reply to: RazorV66

The "idiots" above are telling you the Trump words and what they felt it was telling them to do.

Maybe this will help:

Doolin said he did not believe he was trespassing at the U.S. Capitol and that Trump “had told people that they could go to the Capitol.”

"A. Trump called us. Trump called us to D.C. Q. Tell me about that. How did he let you guys know to come to D.C.? A. If he's the commander in chief and the leader of our country, and he's calling for help -- I thought he was calling for help. I thought he was -- I thought we were doing the right thing."

Doolin said he did not believe he was trespassing at the U.S. Capitol and that Trump “had told people that they could go to the Capitol.”

The only reason he was at the Capitol was because the President told them to go march to the Capitol...He feels misled by the President

When Trump addressed the crowd, he urged them to “walk down to the Capitol” and “fight like hell.” Soon after, the angry mob stormed the building. One rioter, Douglas Austin Jensen, later told investigators that Trump “got us all fired up to go to [the Capitol].”

Again, feel free to read the link.

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: RazorV66

The "idiots" above are telling you the Trump words and what they felt it was telling them to do.

Maybe this will help:

Doolin said he did not believe he was trespassing at the U.S. Capitol and that Trump “had told people that they could go to the Capitol.”

"A. Trump called us. Trump called us to D.C. Q. Tell me about that. How did he let you guys know to come to D.C.? A. If he's the commander in chief and the leader of our country, and he's calling for help -- I thought he was calling for help. I thought he was -- I thought we were doing the right thing."

help.

Doolin said he did not believe he was trespassing at the U.S. Capitol and that Trump “had told people that they could go to the Capitol.”

The only reason he was at the Capitol was because the President told them to go march to the Capitol...He feels misled by the President

When Trump addressed the crowd, he urged them to “walk down to the Capitol” and “fight like hell.” Soon after, the angry mob stormed the building. One rioter, Douglas Austin Jensen, later told investigators that Trump “got us all fired up to go to [the Capitol].”

Again, feel free to read the link.

🤣🤣
I don’t care about the link or what those clowns are saying.

You know as well as I do exactly what Trump said publicly and it wasn’t even close to “Attack the Capitol”
Trump is not responsible for how those guys interpreted his public words on the subject.
You guys continue to look stupid after 3 years of saying he is responsible.

a reply to: RazorV66

Well, the Brandenburg case, which says that even advocacy of violence is protected unless the speech is directed to and likely to incite imminent violence.

So, he tells his followers to "fight" more than 20 times, he tells them where to go immediately following his speech, he was aware some in the crowd had weapons as was noted in testimony. The Hess case states that the encouragement can be "implicit" but does not have to be "explicit".

I mean he can argue it's not imminent because it was a 20 min walk to the Capitol or whatever and it's not really his fault his followers thought he was telling them to actually fight.