Epstein John Doe List New Year's Suprise

Any photo and I mean any photo, is to be took with a high level of scepticism and is only evidence of people being in the same proximity, nothing else unless more information explains more.
Case in point, when I was young I had a photo with the paedophile Jimmy Saville. But he never abused or touched me, I am not a paedophile or abuser. I knew nothing about his "private" life yet according to some posters I am guilty by association because I'm in a photo with him.
A photo is no evidence at all.

originally posted by: crayzeed
Any photo and I mean any photo, is to be took with a high level of scepticism and is only evidence of people being in the same proximity, nothing else unless more information explains more.
Case in point, when I was young I had a photo with the paedophile Jimmy Saville. But he never abused or touched me, I am not a paedophile or abuser. I knew nothing about his "private" life yet according to some posters I am guilty by association because I'm in a photo with him.
A photo is no evidence at all.

Don’t tell that to the Leftists who want to fry Trump at any cost because he hurt their feelings.
According to one of them, the video of Trump talking to Epstein at a party with what looks like 100s of people 30 years ago, disqualifies him from running for president.
So in their eyes, the picture of you and Saville is a smoking gun of your guilt of something but I doubt they could tell you what that crime would be.

originally posted by: GrandmaX
a reply to: network dude

I would wager Trump will be on that list.

Here is the footage showing Trump laughing and pointing as they appear to discuss young females dancing at a party. It's a November 1992 tape in the NBC archives showing Donald Trump partying with Jeffrey Epstein.

www.nbcnews.com...

At one point in the video, Trump is seen grabbing a female toward him and patting her behind.

If Trump was on the list, you can be damn sure that it would have been exposed already.

Additionally, the photo you posted is when he was 45 years old. And the girls in it are clearly in their 20’s - 30’s. Normal behavior for a man that age.

Grasp at straws much?

a reply to: KKLOCO

Given that Trump is known for his association with Epstein, there's a high likelihood that he was present in some capacity during the time when Epstein's victims were identified.

originally posted by: GrandmaX
a reply to: KKLOCO

Given that Trump is known for his association with Epstein, there's a high likelihood that he was present in some capacity during the time when Epstein's victims were identified.

Trump is "known for his association with Epstein "? Seriously?

Epstein got Trump to where he is? Dang, those two must have been really close! Wonder why Trump barred him from Maralago? I mean, Trump's KNOWN for their association, right?

Btw, Trump was much more well-known than Epstein. Who here was aware of Epstein before Trump?

Politicians, athletes, actors, world leaders, literally EVERYONE wanted their picture taken with Trump. Nobody knew the name Epstein, unless you were in that circle.

The photo eveidence of Bill Gates is good enough for ATS to say hes guilty but heaven forbid a poster (grandma x) shows the same photo evidence of Trump and they get leapt upon by Trump defenders, i find the hypocrisy astounding but then again im happy to call anyone who partied with Epstein and never spoke up of his crimes a scumbag (gates, trump, clinton etc) and more than likely vile and filthy

Why is it ATS is more forgiving of Trump though and will attack anyone ho dare speaks ill of him, food for thought, food for thought, food for thought...i think its something to do with echos and chambers

a reply to: UpIsNowDown2

awe, put some salve on that wound and you will feel better when sitting.

Gates may or may not have porked children. He got a divorce for some reason, his ex wife knows the reason. But just a picture isn't proof of that. It's funny that you come to Grannys defence when she did the same thing you are railing about. It's like the DERP evaded you while you were DERPing. DERP on.

originally posted by: UpIsNowDown2
The photo eveidence of Bill Gates is good enough for ATS to say hes guilty but heaven forbid a poster (grandma x) shows the same photo evidence of Trump and they get leapt upon by Trump defenders, i find the hypocrisy astounding but then again im happy to call anyone who partied with Epstein and never spoke up of his crimes a scumbag (gates, trump, clinton etc) and more than likely vile and filthy

Why is it ATS is more forgiving of Trump though and will attack anyone ho dare speaks ill of him, food for thought, food for thought, food for thought...i think its something to do with echos and chambers

You’re absolutely wrong. I rarely partake in political threads. However, I have followed the Epstein scandal from the very beginning. There is absolutely no evidence Trump is a pedo. Nor evidence that he ever visited any of Epstein’s porn dens.

There is strong evidence Clinton did (many times) and Gates did on a handful of occasions.

Let’s stick with the facts that we know and stop speculating……

I'd say Trump barring anyone from Mar-a-Lago would be about money -- not anything altruistic.

Probably many teen daughters attended events there.

"See -- be Seen"

Epstein must have gone after the daughter of one of Trump's biggest investors.

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: chr0naut

If this list was a list of offenders, why suppress it in the first place (unless there were other cases already sub-judice)? I mean, once you have just one conviction, surely the offenders cases would then fall like dominoes? Clearly this was name suppression to protect the innocent from people who might want to vilify just anyone even remotely associated

talking about people that have been on the island tens of times.. Cmon...

We already have a list of names of those who had been to the island - flight logs, I believe.

I don't think that a list of people who had just been to the island would be pertinent in the case against Maxwell. It is not sufficient evidence to either convict or exonerate. I would think that this list is of those directly involved in the case - such as witnesses & etc.

However Donald Trump has had sexual relations with someone 24 years his junior. That is not in dispute.

that don't make him a pedo like the crowd you are defending..

Sick

I wasn't defending anyone. I was just trying to point out that this list isn't for the purposes of political smear.

It is of people involved in the case against Ghislaine Maxwell who's names were suppressed.

It would most likely include the names of people who were witnesses against Maxwell.

a reply to: SourGrapes

Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump’s had an Epic Bromance.

You can read it here -
www.vanityfair.com...

Beginning in the late ’80s, the infamous sex trafficker and the future president (and their mutual friend Ghislaine Maxwell) palled around for almost two decades. In an excerpt from his new book, American Kompromat, the author exposes their shared tastes for private planes, shady money, and foreign-born models—many of them “on the younger side.”

originally posted by: SourGrapes

originally posted by: GrandmaX
a reply to: KKLOCO

Given that Trump is known for his association with Epstein, there's a high likelihood that he was present in some capacity during the time when Epstein's victims were identified.

Trump is "known for his association with Epstein "? Seriously?

Epstein got Trump to where he is? Dang, those two must have been really close! Wonder why Trump barred him from Maralago? I mean, Trump's KNOWN for their association, right?

Btw, Trump was much more well-known than Epstein. Who here was aware of Epstein before Trump?

Politicians, athletes, actors, world leaders, literally EVERYONE wanted their picture taken with Trump. Nobody knew the name Epstein, unless you were in that circle.

Trump tried to organize photo opportunities for self promotion. Narcissists have a need for such validations. There are probably stacks of people trying to make names for themselves by association with pictures snapped and signatures scribbled.

But I doubt that anyone particularly wanted to be in photo's with him.

Except for his gameshow hosting, he really didn't have much to offer. He definitely wasn't much of an entertainer.

Who'd want to be photographed with the guy famous for public failures like Trump Steaks and Trump University?

a reply to: KKLOCO

im using the same criteria people are for anyone else who used photos in this thread, but its ok trump is innocent as always because hes the messiah, I despise all politicial figures and i did not accuse trump of being a paedo, but why did he not expose epstein?

I dont get why anyone thinks any politician is beneficial, every single politician to have ever walked the earth has one motive, benefit themselves not you or I

If as you say you have follwed it from the begining what about this statement from trump himself, why did he protect epstein, was he being blackmailed by epstein?, did epstein have dirt on trump? smoke without a fire...

Trump called Epstein a ‘terrific guy’ who enjoyed ‘younger’ women before denying relationship with him

He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side

we know what he meant and so did Trump, so why protect epstein

Jeffrey Epstein: Trump once praised financier charged with sex trafficking minors for liking women 'on the younger side'

including a 2002 quote from Trump that Epstein "likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side."

Jeffrey Epstein: International Moneyman of Mystery

He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side

If you knew someone liked to have sex with underage girls would you do nothing about it? I would NEVER protect a known paedo, it baffles my mind that because Trump is liked by the majority of ATS posters he gets a free pass on this

or even Epsteins known associate ghislaine maxwell, wishing her well, WTF, why on earth would anyone publically state such other than she had dirt on him, surely it would have looked better for Trump to just say nothing at all or 'lets wait for the justice system to deal with this', that woman deserves no well wishes from anyone least the President of USA



So to clarify I am not suggesting Trump is a paedo but he certainly had a funny relationship with 2 of the worlds most noturious and that cant be doubted

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: SourGrapes

originally posted by: GrandmaX
a reply to: KKLOCO

Given that Trump is known for his association with Epstein, there's a high likelihood that he was present in some capacity during the time when Epstein's victims were identified.

Trump is "known for his association with Epstein "? Seriously?

Epstein got Trump to where he is? Dang, those two must have been really close! Wonder why Trump barred him from Maralago? I mean, Trump's KNOWN for their association, right?

Btw, Trump was much more well-known than Epstein. Who here was aware of Epstein before Trump?

Politicians, athletes, actors, world leaders, literally EVERYONE wanted their picture taken with Trump. Nobody knew the name Epstein, unless you were in that circle.

Who'd want to be photographed with the guy famous for public failures like Trump Steaks and Trump University?

Many years ago -- I think it was a ghost writer for one of Trump's books said (along the lines of): "Trump is new money, not respected, he doesn't have legitimacy with the "blue bloods" -- he thinks if he becomes President, it will give him credibility.

Some things you can't buy.

a reply to: UpIsNowDown2

I know the quote of him saying he liked them young. You didn’t need to quote and source it three times. As I’ve said, I’ve followed this from the beginning.

It’s a very ambiguous statement. He was 56 at the time. A woman that’s 25 would be extremely ‘young’ for him - and absolutely legal. But many of the wealthy do it all the time. Both male and female.

If you knew someone liked to have sex with underage girls would you do nothing about it? I would NEVER protect a known paedo, it baffles my mind that because Trump is liked by the majority of ATS posters he gets a free pass on this

No free pass at all. Epstein was a procurer of women. Maybe Trump didn’t know about the underage ones. If he did, then we have a different conversation.

or even Epsteins known associate ghislaine maxwell, wishing her well, WTF, why on earth would anyone publically state such other than she had dirt on him, surely it would have looked better for Trump to just say nothing at all or 'lets wait for the justice system to deal with this', that woman deserves no well wishes from anyone least the President of USA

I absolutely agree with you here. However, it’s clear that he tried to deflect all the questions on the topic. Saying that he didn’t know anything about Prince Andy was an outright lie.

So to clarify I am not suggesting Trump is a paedo but he certainly had a funny relationship with 2 of the worlds most noturious and that cant be doubted

Like I said before, Epstein and Ghislaine procured and groomed immense amounts of women, both underage and adults. Ghislaine was a match-maker for the elites. It’s been speculated (I believe it to be true), that Ghislaine arranged Trump and Melania together. Handpicked from Trumps wish list of a perfect woman. This does not mean he knew about the pedo activity. As previously stated, if he did know - he needs to answer for it.

The thing is, most people in positions of money and power look the other way when it comes to pedophilia and SA. Every building they enter is high profile. Every restaurant is high class. Every conversation is tailored to avoid conversations like these, and even more so when they have something invested in the scheme, even if it's through seven people and they are unaware.

I'm positive not everyone on the list even knew they would be on it. Some names in the black book could have easily been filled just by talking to assistants, "I know a guy who knows a guy" thing.

I think the most infuriating thing about all of it lately is the fact that at least one victim died recently (Carolyn Andriano, reported as overdose) other victims are silent or very outspoken and not heard, and more victims are being created with every passing minute. I personally don't believe the whole operation ended with GizMax in prison and the death of JE.

Assuming JE is dead, of course.

What if we are all wrong? What if Epstein is and was CIA? Maybe thats how he was able to so easily move about, flying under the radar. That would account for all of his money and how authorities seemed to turn a blind eye. Maybe he was deep deep undercover in a sting operation involving some of the richest people on the planet? Maybe he friended Maxwell because of her ties to the Royals? Would also account for his prison escape...I mean death. They act like he dies in prison..smuggle him out...give him a new face.....new identity and he's back in business.

*you can't say that on tv*

Pay your taxes

From the Conservative Daily:

Jeffrey Epstein's List DELAYED – Congress, Investigate ALL on The List! Act NOW!

This New Year, many Americans waited in anticipation for the release of more than 150 names from Jeffrey Epstein's list, which was set to be made public on Tuesday, January 2nd. However, the court has reportedly delayed the full release until January 22nd, 2024. Once again, we are left with unanswered questions, more waiting, and more inaction. When these names are released, Congress MUST investigate each and every one of those listed and ensure that those who did commit crimes of human trafficking and child sex trafficking, along with convicted pedophiles Epstein and Maxwell, face justice. Additionally, we demand subpoenas for Epstein's flight logs and blackmail material found at his multiple properties. Make these individuals face justice!

This Tuesday, we were anticipating the release of more than 150 names from the Jeffrey Epstein list. The released list is related to a defamation case brought by Prince Andrew’s accuser, Virginia Giuffre, in New York against Epstein’s madam, Ghislaine Maxwell. The list includes more than 150 names discovered in court documents and reveals prominent figures associated with Epstein and convicted accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell. Formerly, the records were sealed, but U.S. District Judge Loretta Preska determined that there was no legal reason to keep the names of more than 150 “John and Jane Does” named in the documents hidden. Which leads us to today. We were expecting the release of these names, but it has been unsurprisingly and unfortunately delayed until the 22nd.