Former Vatican Chief: Globalists Use Mass Migration to ‘Destroy National Identity’

originally posted by: DBCowboy
Communism is not about Christianity, forced, mandated, servitude to others is not Christianity.
It's slavery.

VERY WELL PUT. That's so true!

originally posted by: BukkaWukka
Is this Leviathan? Haven't seen them around for a while. He must be all rested up and ready for another endless thread of trying to poke the bear.

No. AlienBorg/Muldar/Leviathan4/CaptainX/etc etc. was AMrLogic on page one of this thread. I alerted the moderators and he got banned again. But he'll be back. He's obsessed.

originally posted by: BukkaWukka
To flood the country with people who have selfish reasons for being here (and are being told to come and infiltrate the country) then suddenly no one can get health care, food, homes. There is a shortage of basics already. How can we look after ALL the masses when we are just barely making ends meet as it is: and I mean that personally, and governmentally. Those people can work to make THEIR country better. That's their responsibility.

Exactly.

Not only does flooding a country with illegals break the country financially and bring it down, but it also breaks the cohesiveness that country had. It no longer has a common language or common heritage or anything else to keep them together. The country then has infighting or civil wars, it balkanizes, all making it easier for the Globalists to control.

a reply to: [post=27245959]DBCowboy[/post

The main issue is. . . with reliance on government, God goes away.

Government becomes Lord and Saviour.

Your real Lord and Savior agrees with Cardinal Muller?

He believes that we should ignore the desperate, hungry homeless poor because it's just a ruse?

Let's say Cardinal Muller and you lot are right. Big government and the Global Elite are using the poor to take away your stuff and your sweet, sweet way of living

Jesus would have you ignore the poor and treat them like criminals?

Or nothing?

They're unimportant to your story, to your life and your precious freedom - because they're not the right kind of poor?

Or is it because there are too many of them? Jesus has quotas?

You'll tell yourself anything, this much we already know. But your Lord and Savior is not that small

God doesn't go away. Its his followers that turn away. It's an important distinction

a reply to: Spiramirabilis

Thats a lot of confusion that can be cleared up by understanding the difference in helping the poor out of your own free will and love of your fellow man vs being compelled to by gov run by greed and waste.

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
Jesus would have you ignore the poor and treat them like criminals?

YOU open your home/apartment up for illegals. Go ahead. Let in as many as want to come in with no limit. YOU pay the rent/mortgage, the heat, the lights, the water, their food bills, their doctors bills, their clothing bills. Tell us how long it is until you go broke and can't afford anything for yourself or anyone else and you all end up out on the street.

If you take in only a few, you might be able to keep paying the rent/mortgage, the heat, the lights, the water, the food, the doctors, the clothing ... and you might be able to keep that up for yourself and for a few. But if you let them in with no limits, you all suffer and become broken, homeless, and in need.

The masses of people coming across borders have no skills and no education to take care of themselves. They are not doctors or engineers. They are dirt poor and uneducated and sick. The countries they come from want to be rid of them because they are a drain on society. They become a drain on the countries they flock to.

This is BASIC ECONOMICS.

They need to stay in their own countries and fix them instead of flocking to other countries to break them.

The New World Order globalists want everyone brought down and broken, except the elite globalists themselves who are rich and run things. No borders. Massive illegal immigration. Broken countries. Easier to control.

So go teach yourself a lesson on economics and open up your home to as many illegals as you can find. Let us know how it goes.

a reply to: navigator70

Your reply doesn't actually solve the problem I'm asking about. Does it?

Is Jesus asking people to ignore the desperate and the poor people they can see with their own eyes because they're not the right kind of people?

Does God give you permission to turn your backs on people because of politics?

Is God political - and ultimately worldly, petty and manipulative?

It's a simple question

a reply to: FlyersFan

You seem angry. And afraid

Honestly, that describes most of us these days. In a world like the one we live in now, there are no easy fixes for the problems we face

So, we rationalize

I understand that you don't understand me . You want me to buy into this idea you have about what's really going on

I see things differently from you is all. If you feel comfortable putting all this out there, I feel very comfortable arguing against it. It's ATS afterall - and thats the whole thing here

I'm not here to tell you you're a bad person. I dont believe you are. I'm only here to challenge your beliefs

And argue. Because I absolutely do believe in the value of argument

I think that trying to rationalize this problem leads to bigger and wackier stories the worse the situation gets. It's human nature to let ourselves off the hook

Have a lovely day Flyers. For real

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: navigator70

Your reply doesn't actually solve the problem I'm asking about. Does it?

You first have to understand the problem, clearly you do not, before you can attempt to fix. Which explains why we are where we are today. Too many people that dont understand the problem trying to fix it.

a reply to: navigator70

Thats you trying to escape the question

🙂

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
You seem angry. And afraidl

Not at all.

I gave a basic lesson on economics. I challenge you to open your doors to as many illegals as you can find. Pay all the bills. Let us know how long you can go before being broke and out on the street yourself, and them as well. If you take in a few, you will last longer and might be able to take care of yourself and them. It's just basic economics. No borders and massive illegal immigration breaks a country, which is what the globalists want. Balkanization and broken countries so they can control them better.

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: navigator70

Thats you trying to escape the question

🙂

Nonsense. Youre putting the horse before the cart. You dont understand the basic principles of the argument youre making and so the answer would never make sense to you anyway. Helping the poor out your own free will and doing it because youre forced to are 2 completely different things.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Not at all.

Ok 🙂

This isn't about basic economics. That's a patch on the problem of your thinking

Your challenge is silly, and this isn't highschool

Whether you understand this or not, your opinions don't matter - but consensus does. If people can convince themselves they're only being practical, sensible - realistic - then they can allow unimaginably horrible things to occur and feel just fine about it all

And they're more than happy to let their government handle the nasty details. It doesn't matter if it's a huge communist government or a smaller better ( 😉 ) authoritarian government

So long as its not them that has to deal with it, its all good

And then there's the immigrants

This is a moral problem as well as being a problem of how we spend our money

a reply to: navigator70

You are the one thats having a problem understanding my question. And its not even complicated

This is funny

🙂

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: navigator70

You are the one thats having a problem understanding my question. And its not even complicated

This is funny

🙂

Sure I do. You refuse to acknowledge the difference in helping people under your own free will or under compulsion. If you did you would understand why the question is a logical fallacy.

a reply to: navigator70

I understand that your understanding of free will gives you the ability to forgive yourself for agreeing to some pretty scuzzy stuff

I also understand that you're unable to answer my question for some reason. (I know the reason)

So, until you go back to that post, and answer me honestly and directly, you and I are done with this

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: navigator70

I understand that your understanding of free will gives you the ability to forgive yourself for agreeing to some pretty scuzzy stuff

Reduced to passive aggressive ridicule. You would be better off just not replying, the white flag wouldnt be so obvious..

a reply to: navigator70

Passive aggressive ridicule?

Mon cher - please forgive me for not being more obvious. You clearly have a situation going on in the comprehension category

My post is not that far back. When you can give me an honest answer to it, I'll know you're being sincere and not just a two bit troll

Good luck🤞

Ok I will give you the benefit of doubt.

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: navigator70

Is Jesus asking people to ignore the desperate and the poor people they can see with their own eyes because they're not the right kind of people?

Does God give you permission to turn your backs on people because of politics?

Is God political - and ultimately worldly, petty and manipulative?

No. He wants people to help their neighbors out of love and free will, not because theyre force to.

Your confusion is based on the same mistake people make when they claim Jesus was a socialist or communist.

a reply to: navigator70

You just restored my faith in humanity

I know that sounds a little bit over the top 🙂

Your confusion is based on the same mistake people make when they claim Jesus was a socialist or communist.

These are modern, political terms

Educate me. If Jesus doesn't believe in coercion, but free will - why was he preaching?

The poor you will always have with you

How do you interpret this? How does free will work in your interpretation?

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: navigator70

You just restored my faith in humanity

I know that sounds a little bit over the top 🙂

IMHO The realization of the truth is often over the top and why the accountability the same truth can be so brutal.

Those are modern, political terms

Doesnt change the reality that socialism and communism lead to oppression by taking your free will. Jesus wanted people to have free will.

Educate me. If Jesus doesn't believe in coercion, but free will - why was he preaching?

The poor you will always have with you

How do you interpret this? How does free will work in your interpretation?

Humans are born sinners. Without Jesus and forgiveness humans will always self preserve to a fault. Whether its greed, glutton, lust etc

No different than without light there is only darkness. Without heat its cold...