regardless of your politics, looking at this from the outside is scary

a reply to: quintessentone

What you wrote is true and accurate but at the end of the day many of us were born with a brain. A good brain that allows us to discern as to what is ongoing. Well before Jesus showed up the Jews were hated and persecuted. They were slaves to build things for Pharoh.

In brief they are a smart culture that for the most part keep to themselves. So did they step over the line in Gaza? So what about HAMAS, Palestine, Iran and the rest. So what about all those Palestine Hijackings of the 1970's. So what about Iran. So just tell me what lands or countries has the USA conquered and kept hold of since WWII. Oh they installed a puppet. Well hay dudde they dont want the USA to be conquered by Russia or China but lets not go there as its beyound one's ability to comprehend like all those in the streets spewing hate and death.

They arent protestors. They are racists to the extreme who would make Adolf Hitler blush

The USA protects its interests well before it shows up here. Its not pretty but all is fair in love and war. Right? Same for life or death.

It also could be written that your peace pitch for Palestine is nothing more than a ruse for the genocide of Israel. Plus a attempt to allow HAMAS to regroup. Really as just who knows just what your real intension is.

Have you read any articles from the other Arab nations relating to their Palestine "brothers". Or. just look at their actions since 1980 forward. That sold me along with a HAMAS leaders son adressing the UN. Oh, thats a disinformation. Really?

a reply to: Kenzo

originally posted by: Disgusted123
No one is in fear of Nazis or Christians.

What we are concerned about is the clear and present danger Republicans are to democracy. It's a real thing, and most of us don't really want Trump at the helm of a Republican State.

Perhaps a theocracy with Trump in power for a couple decades appeals to you. Not so much to me.

Let the GOP be a danger to our democracy (yes, you are parroting again).

Funny thing is, we are NOT a democracy. We are are REPUBLIC.

When you do your own research, and actually read the constitution, you will understand why "Republicans are a danger to democracy" crap is a talking point to be repeated by those who do not think logically. To cause division and hater. To bring this country to the liberal progressive dream...where people only do what they are told.

I don't care about a danger to democracy. I care about a danger to our Republic.

And you, my friend, are a part of the problem.

originally posted by: Blueracer

originally posted by: GENERAL EYES
I don't care who wins anymore I just want affordable rent groceries utilities and don't want to be forced to buy an electronic vehicle.

You should care. If Biden wins again, none of what you want will happen.

Eh, we’re screwed either way. Both have nuked the economy. A quarter of our debt is from a one term Trump. Not to mention the near zero interest rates that created a bubble and forced the rates to slingshot higher than they were before to compensate

originally posted by: Threadbarer
a reply to: network dude

Let me guess you also have excuses for Trump saying that Biden is going to start WWII and that Jeb was President when 9/11 happened.

Let me guess, no wait, that would be an idiot move....how about you explain yourself, in your own words, and I will do the same?

Here, I'll go first. Trump was an exercise in what happens if you put someone in the White House that has not a clue how government operates. He flopped and ran his gob bigley when he first came in, but was inept and had to spend an inordinate amount of time learning how things really worked. I don't know that he actually accomplished that, but he seemed to navigate much better towards the end. He followed the idiots who he was forced to follow, IE, Fauci and the CDC. Being a fan of peace as opposed to war, I have to give Trump high marks on avoiding war. It's kind of a thing for me. But a more polished, experienced president would have sounded much more .....presidential. And likely would have not accomplished much, as that's the game. Keep the wedge issues alive so they can be used as political wedges.

9-11 was George Bush, you can look that one up. And the lies and media driven agenda was in full force on that one as well. To this day, you aren't allowed to ask the difficult questions, lest you be "one of those" people. I believe the left calls them "*something* deniers", something is interchangeable, as long as the term "denier" is there so you can feel lower than you did before you asked.

Now, can you explain what actions Trump took in his first 4 years that destroyed our republic and erased hundreds of years of democracy?

a reply to: Waterglass

The only pathway for peace for these two peoples is negotiation for a fair and equitable agreement. How to achieve that would be, first and foremost, Hamas and Israeli leaders have to step down or be brought down somehow, then new leaders elected by the people to act for the people's wants and needs and not the interests of a few world players who work the strings in the background. I also see International Law being violated with nobody taking action. It's deplorable in this day and age to allow the ongoing massacre of civilians and that is my sentiment with the Israel/Hamas conflict.

As for the subject of this thread, who can look at anything from the outside when most here are entrenched in their ideologies and MSM narratives from the inside?

How can any of us know the true goings on behind the scenes of those who lead our countries? We can't, we can only see their failures in handling worldwide conflicts and innocent civilians always paying the price.

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Waterglass

The only pathway for peace for these two peoples is negotiation for a fair and equitable agreement. How to achieve that would be, first and foremost, Hamas and Israeli leaders have to step down or be brought down somehow, then new leaders elected by the people to act for the people's wants and needs and not the interests of a few world players who work the strings in the background. I also see International Law being violated with nobody taking action. It's deplorable in this day and age to allow the ongoing massacre of civilians and that is my sentiment with the Israel/Hamas conflict.

As for the subject of this thread, who can look at anything from the outside when most here are entrenched in their ideologies and MSM narratives from the inside?

How can any of us know the true goings on behind the scenes of those who lead our countries? We can't, we can only see their failures in handling worldwide conflicts and innocent civilians always paying the price.

So you think HAMAS should have been brought up before the Hague and charged with war crimes? It's a noble notion, but who is HAMAS? do they all stay in one place? How are they identified? What of the proxies that pay for their wars?


Or is this just about Israel, and their "war crimes"?

a reply to: quintessentone

I'll try to explain it for your case. When you feed yourself a steady diet of the media news that fits your beliefs you feel well fed

sounds like a self description to me. cause that all the sources you post always support the left positions you support.

I absolutely know you do not read any contradictory news to that news which makes you feel well fed and confirms your beliefs.

again sounds like a self description to me, the same could be said for you, take a look at the sources you post and say it's not. plus how would you know what i read? wouldn't you think that just because i can 9 out of ten times pull up sources that show yours are twisting the stories they are reporting wouldn't that tell you i read the tripe your sources write?

and this right here tells me everything i need to know about your confirmation bias. when someone hits a nerve with you you go off.

When I post any other news which contradicts your cemented beliefs the knee jerk reaction is to dismiss and discredit the offending news whether or not it is factual makes no difference at this point.

see how that works.

here's a suggestion, when you look at your stars and flags count, don't just think of them as people liking what you post. think of them as the number of people that agree with what your saying and posting.

being in the negative ought to say something to you.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Waterglass

The only pathway for peace for these two peoples is negotiation for a fair and equitable agreement. How to achieve that would be, first and foremost, Hamas and Israeli leaders have to step down or be brought down somehow, then new leaders elected by the people to act for the people's wants and needs and not the interests of a few world players who work the strings in the background. I also see International Law being violated with nobody taking action. It's deplorable in this day and age to allow the ongoing massacre of civilians and that is my sentiment with the Israel/Hamas conflict.

As for the subject of this thread, who can look at anything from the outside when most here are entrenched in their ideologies and MSM narratives from the inside?

How can any of us know the true goings on behind the scenes of those who lead our countries? We can't, we can only see their failures in handling worldwide conflicts and innocent civilians always paying the price.

So you think HAMAS should have been brought up before the Hague and charged with war crimes? It's a noble notion, but who is HAMAS? do they all stay in one place? How are they identified? What of the proxies that pay for their wars?


Or is this just about Israel, and their "war crimes"?

See you are opting to push that narrative that I'm just on about Israel's war crimes. See how pushing a narrative works?

Taking sides is not the way forward in finding the truth. That is the key message I am trying to get across here.

originally posted by: Threadbarer
a reply to: network dude

You should be more worried about Project 2025. The alt-Right are laying the plans to turn the US into a Christo-fascist state with Trump at the helm.

But tell us again how the Left are trying to destroy the US.

Leftist delusions always make me smile.
Did you die under Trump’s first term? Nope, in fact you probably prospered under Trump like many people did.
But the entire Left is made up of people with fragile feelz that can’t get past Trump saying “Grab them by the pussy” but will go to a drag show to watch Trans men spin their wads around.
Hypocrites.

We don’t need to tell you how the Left is destroying the country….you see it, I see it, everyone sees it.

a reply to: network dude

I haven't read through the thread, I'm answering before reading the Marxist propaganda that is bound to have flooded this thread.

It's right in our faces. It's not hard to see what's happening and what the end game is. It isn't as though the enemy has made it a secret. How many times do they have to tell us and show us before it sinks in?

originally posted by: Allaroundya4k

Talking to ten year Olds and telling them he will be dating them in the future.
Talking about his own daughter is absolutely appalling ways.
Wanting to remove term limits for himself.
Budding up with dictators.
Being good friends with Rick Snyder.
Appointing someone that let Epstein get just a slap on the wrist.
Using his position of power to intimidate his perceived enemy. As in his own countrymen.
Being good friends with really bad people from Russia.
Those are all not good things btw.

Who are you actually talking about here? Sounds like Biden and the liberals

originally posted by: Threadbarer
a reply to: network dude

A PAC and Congressional caucus.

Do you know what Project 2025 is?

Well according to the website you linked, project 2025 is:

The 2025 Presidential Transition Project paves the way for an effective conservative Administration based on four pillars: a policy agenda, Presidential Personnel Database, Presidential Administration Academy, and playbook for the first 180 days of the next Administration.

So, where is the terror and mayhem there, the oppression and tyranny? It is a project to have the right transition team ready for the new conservative POTUS. Its kind of like an employment agency actually in that they are just trying to have the right candidates ready for the roles that need to be filled in the new administration. In professional circles, some may even call it "being prepared for work"

a reply to: quintessentone

The only pathway for peace for these two peoples is negotiation for a fair and equitable agreement

HAMAS is NOT a recognised nation. They are a group of Terriorists who control the Palestine government well over a decade ago. The CIA knows it, Russia knows it, China knows it, Iran knows it and so does the UN.

So where would you like to start the taking points.

I am NOT for any kids or civilians to be maimed, killed or to live under the control of a terriorist gang. Thats Palestine today and for over a decade. Its now in our streets and those educated idiots in the Ivy league univrersitys who have accepted millions if not billions of donations from Arab countries are playing the race card for dollars. Thats what is obvious to me. You cant see that. Or you dont want to.

Its hear, real , fluid and this is the begiinning of the next crusade. The Arabs know that and end to oil will come so they are spreading their occupation of Europe and USA.

This is just like the 1920's again with the Nazis in the background.

a reply to: BernnieJGato

I seek out actual journalists that do their own work, their own investigations but you see anything that is contradictory to the mainstream narrative will always be dismissed even it it is factual. It's just the way confirmation bias works.

BTW I do read both sides, and yes both pro-Israel and pro-Palestinian news outlets can be very biased because they need to feed a specific audience to bring in the big bucks. The left wing sources may inject shock value words the same as the right wing but sometimes within their reporting, the truth may still be there, but more research from other sources is needed to corroborate even one claim, as other members here are trying to relay.

Then there are the independent journalists who seek out a temporary voice with clicks or donations, it is those sources that we all should be seeking out and scrutinizing their investigative methods. If common sense and their reporting rings true to me and other independent reporters corroborate their findings, then to me that checks off all the boxes for me in the truth finding category.

How do you do it? Look at several pro-Israel sources that share the same information back and forth and never question anything?

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: network dude

I haven't read through the thread, I'm answering before reading the Marxist propaganda that is bound to have flooded this thread.

It's right in our faces. It's not hard to see what's happening and what the end game is. It isn't as though the enemy has made it a secret. How many times do they have to tell us and show us before it sinks in?

no, it's exactly the opposite. It's totally in your face now, and the agenda is printed for all to read. No more hiding in the shadows. I'd guess the Deep State will start wearing "I AM the Deep State" t-shirts next week. Things are progressing at a very fast pace. So much so, that I'd bet most of what I can afford to loose that something Yuge is about to happen, and upset the entire apple cart. It's almost inevitable.

a reply to: RazorV66

Did Project 2025 exist during Trump's first term? No. Did Trump tell people close to him that his first term would be focused on punishing anyone not loyal to him? No.

Trump has made it very clear that his next term will be very different than his first term.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: network dude

I haven't read through the thread, I'm answering before reading the Marxist propaganda that is bound to have flooded this thread.

It's right in our faces. It's not hard to see what's happening and what the end game is. It isn't as though the enemy has made it a secret. How many times do they have to tell us and show us before it sinks in?

no, it's exactly the opposite. It's totally in your face now, and the agenda is printed for all to read. No more hiding in the shadows. I'd guess the Deep State will start wearing "I AM the Deep State" t-shirts next week. Things are progressing at a very fast pace. So much so, that I'd bet most of what I can afford to loose that something Yuge is about to happen, and upset the entire apple cart. It's almost inevitable.

Isn't the endgame the same as it's always been? Divide and conquer with manipulation through news media and advertising?

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: BernnieJGato

I seek out actual journalists that do their own work, their own investigations but you see anything that is contradictory to the mainstream narrative will always be dismissed even it it is factual. It's just the way confirmation bias works.

BTW I do read both sides, and yes both pro-Israel and pro-Palestinian news outlets can be very biased because they need to feed a specific audience to bring in the big bucks. The left wing sources may inject shock value words the same as the right wing but sometimes within their reporting, the truth may still be there, but more research from other sources is needed to corroborate even one claim, as other members here are trying to relay.

Then there are the independent journalists who seek out a temporary voice with clicks or donations, it is those sources that we all should be seeking out and scrutinizing their investigative methods. If common sense and their reporting rings true to me and other independent reporters corroborate their findings, then to me that checks off all the boxes for me in the truth finding category.

How do you do it? Look at several pro-Israel sources that share the same information back and forth and never question anything?

After a month, we still can't decide for any certainty who bombed a hospital in Gaza and kilt 500 babies. We have seen pictures of the parking lot and the hospital still erect, but who can really say if that's factual? Have you been there in person? I haven't. It's all lies. Just depends on who wants you to believe the sh!t they peddle.

It does seem to be generally agreed upon that on October 7th, some people did some things.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: network dude

I haven't read through the thread, I'm answering before reading the Marxist propaganda that is bound to have flooded this thread.

It's right in our faces. It's not hard to see what's happening and what the end game is. It isn't as though the enemy has made it a secret. How many times do they have to tell us and show us before it sinks in?

no, it's exactly the opposite. It's totally in your face now, and the agenda is printed for all to read. No more hiding in the shadows. I'd guess the Deep State will start wearing "I AM the Deep State" t-shirts next week. Things are progressing at a very fast pace. So much so, that I'd bet most of what I can afford to loose that something Yuge is about to happen, and upset the entire apple cart. It's almost inevitable.

Isn't the endgame the same as it's always been? Divide and conquer with manipulation through news media and advertising?

perhaps, but it's no longer subtle nudges. It's in your face shoves. That was my point.