regardless of your politics, looking at this from the outside is scary

originally posted by: Threadbarer
a reply to: FarmerSimulation

Then why is the plan to replace those people with Trump loyalists if the positions are redundant?

this one hits close to home, doesn't it. Yea, those who are useless eaters on the government dole, may find they have to find real jobs soon. As long as Trump stays within the constitution, then what is the real issue? Removing the hidden hand makes the dummy sound much more realistic.

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: tanstaafl
My reply was Lincoln's quote: You can fool some of the people...etc.

Which is totally irrelevant... as usual...

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: tanstaafl

The fact is if Trump was president right now he'd be involved in the Israel/Hamas war and be sending big money and arms there just as Biden is doing, isn't that right?

Nope... that fact is, no one knows where we might be right now if the dems hadn't gotten away with treason.

However, I'll go ahead and posit my personal opinion that he would have continued moving forward with the Abraham Accords, and there might actually be real, actual peace in the ME right now.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: tanstaafl
My reply was Lincoln's quote: You can fool some of the people...etc.

Which is totally irrelevant... as usual...

What? It's totally relevant when it comes to Trump.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: tanstaafl
My reply was Lincoln's quote: You can fool some of the people...etc.

Which is totally irrelevant... as usual...

What? It's totally relevant when it comes to Trump.

Which makes you totally irrelevant when it comes to Trump.
"As a dog returns to eat his own vomit, so doth a fool to his folly"
The Bible, Lincoln read it.

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: Disgusted123

The US is not a democracy. It's a Constitutional Republic.

The word democracy is not even mentioned in the Constitution.

What we're seeing is the establishment State using fascist tactics and cultural Marxism to implement a totalitarian administrative dictatorship run by faceless unelected bureaucrats.

The Biden regime is full of commies, pedophiles, and clowns. Which why everything is going to sh!t.

The republicans are just as bad, which is why we need to purge the neocons and get America First people in place immediately.

Nope, it's neither. It's a Corporate Plutocracy.
While all the jackinapes were busy arguing about which color of tie was more evil,
the rich people were enslaving everyone and getting control of the government.

They want you fighting each other,
because as long as you blame each other,
you're not coming for them.

You all bicker about fake leaders and manufactured controversy,
while the elites make off with all your stuff.
God forbid we raise taxes on the billionaires.
So anti-american! Meanwhile, america is turning into The Hunger Games saga.

You'll all argue about it while you're in the dome with bullets flying at you too.
It's hopeless.
The only solution is and ever has been to make the elites give us back our money and stop hoarding.

originally posted by: quintessentone
a rep0ly to: tanstaafl
What? It's totally relevant when it comes to Trump.

It is completely irrelevant to the fact that you attributed something to Trump that he did not say - whether intentionally or not.

a reply to: Threadbarer

This is a crock of #.

Provide your sources or GTFO.

a reply to: boatguy12

Already been provided in this thread.

originally posted by: boatguy12
a reply to: Threadbarer

This is a crock of #.

Provide your sources or GTFO.

it's a real initiative. He's just scared because they aren't going to let all the deep state workers remain when Trump gets elected. A solid house cleaning will be done. And that could really, really upset the apple cart and he is well aware of that. Really puts a damper on agenda 2030.

a reply to: network dude

I've only read your first post and haven't gone through the whole thread. Mia culpa

You work in the love him or hate him bits, but I'm not sure you understand why you're doing that

Love him or hate him? Skip past that and then still wonder why all the opposition?

My initial understanding of your OP is that you can't understand the onslaught of anti-Trump messaging

The press is to blame, but not Trump?

Real question for you Network. This is one of those moments in time when people should be able to see that there are other choices, better choices - better opportunities

Allegiance and pride won't move us forward. Reason and a true desire to govern, not dominate - that's what's going to save us

That's going to depend on us not blaming the messenger. Start listening to the messages

I understand as well as you do how much propaganda is out there. We all need to recognize it for what it is. But it's happening as much on the right as it is on the left

a reply to: Spiramirabilis

What he said:

It doesn't matter if you love him or hate him, but have you ever in your life seen such a coordinated effort against one man?

It's the kind of rhetorical question that expects only one answer. But that answer is wrong.

The correct answer is: yes, many times. In my lifetime? Stalin. Mao. Ho Chi Minh. Ayatollah Khomeini. Idi Amin. Osama Bin Laden. Plenty more...

What they all had in common: they were enemies of America. Love 'em or hate 'em (lol), they were against the good ole USA and its global interests and boy, didn't they get the works from the Western media. And Western governments.

Trump, like those men, is an enemy of America. That's why there is so much popular and organised resistance to him. The OP doesn't realise this because his moral sense has been paralysed by his allegiance to Agent Orange. This is precisely why he can't see the connexion between 'love him or hate him' and 'regardless of politics'.

a reply to: Astyanax

Nice to see you hereabouts Astyanax. Like old times

I can only agree. Carrots and sticks in the land of language, argument - and negotiation. If not out and out pleading at times

Trump is an obvious threat and a sorry excuse of a human being besides. If only he were just a crappy person

Allegiance. I want to understand this. I do

originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: Spiramirabilis

What he said:

It doesn't matter if you love him or hate him, but have you ever in your life seen such a coordinated effort against one man?

It's the kind of rhetorical question that expects only one answer. But that answer is wrong.

The correct answer is: yes, many times. In my lifetime? Stalin. Mao. Ho Chi Minh. Ayatollah Khomeini. Idi Amin. Osama Bin Laden. Plenty more...

What they all had in common: they were enemies of America. Love 'em or hate 'em (lol), they were against the good ole USA and its global interests and boy, didn't they get the works from the Western media. And Western governments.

Trump, like those men, is an enemy of America. That's why there is so much popular and organised resistance to him. The OP doesn't realise this because his moral sense has been paralysed by his allegiance to Agent Orange. This is precisely why he can't see the connexion between 'love him or hate him' and 'regardless of politics'.

Make America Great Again.
That is my type of propaganda.

Just in restoring honest, true, free, fair and transparent elections makes him a great man.

And those that fight against this ideal are not true Americans no matter which party lines they serve.


If you have a government paid job where you are hired for life and cannot be fired you should not have the right to vote.
And in these threads you should be required to give full disclosure of this as well.
These type of people live in a different America than me and have different allegiance and ideals set apart from actual American ideals.
Trump is a great American if he addresses both of these topics asap.
Our country needs a great leader that will address these grave concerns as it has destroyed this country and leaves no possible united cohesion.
I sense great fear from those so opposed to Americans uniting behind Trump in addressing these ideals thar they threw out partisan politicking and hope they can now sell "anybody else but these 2 parties representatives because the left has nobody that can be sold as an actual "American" interest 1st candidate.

All the phony politicized court cases have backfired and Trump and "America 1st" is more popular now than ever and blacks, Mexican, women and men all now agree and it is a coming wave that will wash our shores clean with hope for a better America.
So much coming out now about the political fraud and shenanigans in 2020 election and so much more to come.
There is no way to steal it anymore.

So now you just want to wave a flag and promote "anybody else" because "America".

Your antics the last 7 years only made him more popular.
Make America Great Again.
He has been so effective with this slogan that now you guys are trying to adopt it for yourselves.

But your America leaves actual non-government employees" out of this equation of yours

a reply to: FarmerSimulation

Just in restoring honest, true, free, fair and transparent elections makes him a great man

I am so going to regret this

You believe the election was stolen?

You believe the next election will be fair?

The court cases are all phony and political?

You understand that Trump was in court quite a bit, years even before he had his goofy little TV show?

He had a mob lawyer to boot

I wish you could provide your evidence to all of us here, and prove that Trump is an innocent man

But I know these are things you want to believe

For what it's worth, I understand why you need to believe them

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: FarmerSimulation

Just in restoring honest, true, free, fair and transparent elections makes him a great man

I am so going to regret this

You believe the election was stolen?

You believe the next election will be fair?

The court cases are all phony and political?

You understand that Trump was in court quite a bit, years even before he had his goofy little TV show?

He had a mob lawyer to boot

I wish you could provide your evidence to all of us here, and prove that Trump is an innocent man

But I know these are things you want to believe

For what it's worth, I understand why you need to believe them

I lived in Las Vegas at the end of the mob years, Hefner and into the Corporate years.
Vegas was better off when it was mob run.
Our country is so corrupt now even you attempt to appeal to a sense of justice as some kind of political argument for your appeal.

It fell flat on its face with no actual substance.
Funny I guess when you think you can attack a populist candidate by appealing to populist ideals in claiming corruption is rampant.

You actually believe your arguments appeal to anyone other than unelected bureaucrats that cannot be fired.

These are the only people that lose in an American 1st agenda.

BTW.
Only an idiot does not believe that elections are rigged and stolen.
Why you point out 2020 as being the only case is telling.

Nobody believes in political integrity.
Nobody.

Responded to the wrong thread. My apologies.

a reply to: FarmerSimulation

Nice riff

Only an idiot does not believe that elections are rigged and stolen.
Why you point out 2020 as being the only case is telling.

Nobody believes in political integrity.
Nobody.

Peer pressure and fronting are not arguments

Belief doesn't make things real. Where's your evidence?

What are you afraid of? Argue your point

For the record, political integrity does exist. Pretending it doesn't is a defeatist way of making yourself feel better about the choices you've made

If you can convince yourself that ethics are pointless and everyone sucks, well then - it's easy to defend the worst decisions you've ever made. The end justified the means

Power is the prize. Being on the winning team is all that matters. Damn the suckers

a reply to: FarmerSimulation

I lived in Las Vegas at the end of the mob years, Hefner and into the Corporate years. Vegas was better off when it was mob run.

Okay. You're a libertarian, then. Presumably.

I've been in mob-run countries. They're @#%&//.

The great thing about the Great American Experiment (we thought) was that it was a system that could peaceably accommodate views like yours and views like John Steinbeck's or Woody Guthrie's. Not to mention Martin Luther King's. What a damn shame it would be if that wasn't true any more.

originally posted by: FarmerSimulation

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: tanstaafl
My reply was Lincoln's quote: You can fool some of the people...etc.

Which is totally irrelevant... as usual...

What? It's totally relevant when it comes to Trump.

Which makes you totally irrelevant when it comes to Trump.
"As a dog returns to eat his own vomit, so doth a fool to his folly"
The Bible, Lincoln read it.

What makes me relevant is stating the obvious, which for this subject matter, is that everyone who thinks they can look from the outside in is fooling themselves, therefore a fool to his folly.

What is really happening is that most are still in the inside looking through biased lenses, while thinking they are looking from the outside. Therefore, yes, a dog returns to eat his own vomit because he must because...cognitive dissonance.