regardless of your politics, looking at this from the outside is scary

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: FarmerSimulation

Nice riff

Only an idiot does not believe that elections are rigged and stolen.
Why you point out 2020 as being the only case is telling.

Nobody believes in political integrity.
Nobody.

Peer pressure and fronting are not arguments

Belief doesn't make things real. Where's your evidence?

What are you afraid of? Argue your point

For the record, political integrity does exist. Pretending it doesn't is a defeatist way of making yourself feel better about the choices you've made

If you can convince yourself that ethics are pointless and everyone sucks, well then - it's easy to defend the worst decisions you've ever made. The end justified the means

Power is the prize. Being on the winning team is all that matters. Damn the suckers

My entire post says I believe ethics exist.
In fact ethics imo come from morals.
This is where you and I draw the line.

I make good choices.
I have good morals that require ethical choices that do not always serve money interests.
And politicians serve mammon.
You attempt to demonize those that sacrifice their lives, businesses and livelihoods for actual ethical reasons.
Lots and lots of doublespeak from you.
I have no idea where you can find real evidence of "political integrity" and in the same sentence talk about a belief it doesn't exist is defeatist.
That is an insane take on our present kleptocracy where congress voted themselves the right to insider trade.
Our leaders cheat their way in so they can lie, cheat, steal and rob the tax payer to serve the banking interests that pay and pave their way.

Times up.
Get a real job.
Government workers need to find a productive way now to survive.

Explain to me business ethics in political kleptocracy 101 please.
What does that look like from your perspective?

originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: FarmerSimulation

I lived in Las Vegas at the end of the mob years, Hefner and into the Corporate years. Vegas was better off when it was mob run.

Okay. You're a libertarian, then. Presumably.

I've been in mob-run countries. They're @#%&//.

The great thing about the Great American Experiment (we thought) was that it was a system that could peaceably accommodate views like yours and views like John Steinbeck's or Woody Guthrie's. Not to mention Martin Luther King's. What a damn shame it would be if that wasn't true any more.

No.
My point is the mob was kinder, more ethical and less corrupt than what came after.
There are 750,000 registered voters in Nevada.
1,350,000 voted in 2020.

That is not a Democrat or republican issue.
It is a systemic fraud issue.
The mob had business ethics.
This crop of kleptocrats have none.
The mob supported locals.
These kleptocrats support none of us.

All you are trying to do is talk in platitudes as you now have to run as fast as you can from leftist and unAmeican viewpoints that are becoming so ridiculous that all you have left is sell unity to try and escape.
We will forgive you guys but do not expect us to capitulate.
Corruption is being exposed as fast as the January 6 narrative was sold.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: FarmerSimulation

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: tanstaafl
My reply was Lincoln's quote: You can fool some of the people...etc.

Which is totally irrelevant... as usual...

What? It's totally relevant when it comes to Trump.

Which makes you totally irrelevant when it comes to Trump.
"As a dog returns to eat his own vomit, so doth a fool to his folly"
The Bible, Lincoln read it.

What makes me relevant is stating the obvious, which for this subject matter, is that everyone who thinks they can look from the outside in is fooling themselves, therefore a fool to his folly.

What is really happening is that most are still in the inside looking through biased lenses, while thinking they are looking from the outside. Therefore, yes, a dog returns to eat his own vomit because he must because...cognitive dissonance.

Lol
It makes more sense when I said it.

a reply to: FarmerSimulation

There are 750,000 registered voters in Nevada.
1,350,000 voted in 2020.

it took me 14sec to find this.

Okay, you're nor a libertarian. My mistake.

originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: FarmerSimulation

There are 750,000 registered voters in Nevada.
1,350,000 voted in 2020.

it took me 14sec to find this.

Okay, you're nor a libertarian. My mistake.

Then we can accurately say that the sum total of due diligence on this important matter accounts to 14 seconds and a selected Google search.

Not
A
Chance.
I lived there.
In Nevada republican and dems are the same casino coin.

So corrupt that from the outset for 2020 election day polls we were not red, not blue, not Grey,
But marked Grey with a red/white stipe declaring fraud.

Reuters.
Is snopes next for you?

14 seconds of due diligence is what you admitted to.

originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: FarmerSimulation

There are 750,000 registered voters in Nevada.
1,350,000 voted in 2020.

it took me 14sec to find this.

Okay, you're nor a libertarian. My mistake.

Then we can accurately say that the sum total of due diligence on this important matter accounts to 14 seconds and a selected Google search.

Not
A
Chance.
I lived there.
In Nevada republican and dems are the same casino coin.

So corrupt that from the outset for 2020 election day polls we were not red, not blue, not Grey,
But marked Grey with a red/white stipe declaring fraud.

Reuters.
Is snopes next for you?

14 seconds of due diligence is what you admitted to.

a reply to: FarmerSimulation

I lived there.

So do (at last count), 3,144,000 other people. Are they all in on the scam or do you have special information?

14 seconds of due diligence is what you admitted to.

Due? Don't flatter yourself.

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis


Allegiance. I want to understand this. I do

LOL, think of how much you fear/hate him, how much you are certain he's a "threat to democracy" or whatever other "existential threat" you fear he is, then think, is there such a thing as duality? Newtons third law? Is there a chance, albeit slim, that perhaps others think vastly different than you do?

I can say at least from my end, I'd be fine with most of the choices the right has offered thus far. But I think as far left as we have driven over the last 3 years, we need a hard right to get us back to the center where we all belong. I"m sure you disagree with that, but then, you don't see the last 3 years as bad, probably just waiting on Bidenomics to kick in or something.

My reason for this thread is that the fervor and venom used against Trump seems to fuel his rise much more so than he could have on his own. And the likes of MSNBC seems to enjoy capitalizing on it, cashing in so to speak. Sure their efforts will likely re-elect Trump due to all the free air time, but at least they/you will have good fodder to complain about for at least 4 years, likely 12.

And just so you know, they didn't ask me, so I really don't have control over who's the nominee, but it sure seems like lots of folks like Trump. I bet they are all wrong and crazy, amirite.

originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: FarmerSimulation

I lived there.

So do (at last count), 3,144,000 other people. Are they all in on the scam or do you have special information?

14 seconds of due diligence is what you admitted to.

Due? Don't flatter yourself.

Somehow you missed that I was referring to your admitted 14 seconds of due diligence.

I guess when it comes to systemic election fraud you think they must have missed disinformation and search algorithms as a tactic.
14 seconds of due diligence.

I am amazed that some of the same folks who are on the "most secure election in the history of man" bandwagon, are also the one's who cried fraud in 2016, and then to think that a group of people claimed that they would stop Trump BAMN, we had a once in a lifetime "pandemic" totally changed the voting/election system in ways never done before, and against most constitutions, in the name of safety, yet with all that, to think that there may have been fraud, is like denying the Holocaust or something.

I think that same media machine that makes folks Hate Trump for grabbing women by the snatch, also did a nice job of convincing that same group that to even entertain the idea of voter fraud means you love to suck Trump's toes.

And when/if the truth ever does prevail and fraud is proven, there will be no admissions of wrong, or punishment. That only happens to the (R)ight folks.

a reply to: FarmerSimulation

I make good choices. I have good morals that require ethical choices that do not always serve money interests.

You really do love the mob don't you? In a very Bundy-ish way :-)

You attempt to demonize those that sacrifice their lives, businesses and livelihoods for actual ethical reasons.

How did I demonize these people? I would sincerely love to hear you explain this

a reply to: network dude


This is how goofy they became over Trump.
Grab the by the puss irritated them so much they organized a march in D.C. where they all wore puss hats backwards.
Backwards you say...
Yeah!
The opposite end of the pie hole was in the front.

That should have been made fun of much more than it was.

Who thinks of that stuff enough to organize a March.
Such poor marketing ingenuity.

a reply to: network dude

And just so you know, they didn't ask me, so I really don't have control over who's the nominee, but it sure seems like lots of folks like Trump. I bet they are all wrong and crazy, amirite.

Lots of folks love Putin too

My reason for this thread is that the fervor and venom used against Trump seems to fuel his rise much more so than he could have on his own.

Well, I'm sure you can't see it - but that's not exactly a glowing endorsement of Trump

Do you feel comfortable with this - Trump being negatively promoted into being nominated?

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: network dude

And just so you know, they didn't ask me, so I really don't have control over who's the nominee, but it sure seems like lots of folks like Trump. I bet they are all wrong and crazy, amirite.

Lots of folks love Putin too

My reason for this thread is that the fervor and venom used against Trump seems to fuel his rise much more so than he could have on his own.

Well, I'm sure you can't see it - but that's not exactly a glowing endorsement of Trump

Do you feel comfortable with this - Trump being negatively promoted into being nominated?

This is great.
I know you can't see this but it is a he'll of a lot better than to think 91 million people voted for Biden because Trump made mean tweets and a vote for Biden was actually just a vote against Trump.

You guys are proving the op correct.
You guys have nothing left and now all you have is a vote for none of the above and not just against Trump.
BTW, of course none of you believed Biden got 91m anti-Trump votes.
Now you guys claim your corruption but claim we are as corrupt as you and we only want Trump because Trump is as corrupt as you and us because....unity

a reply to: FarmerSimulation

Oh my. Funny you felt like replying to this one

Now you guys claim your corruption but claim we are as corrupt as you and we only want Trump because Trump is as corrupt as you and us because....unity

I'm beginning to understand I think. Well, I'm sure you have your reasons - vote for your favorite of course. Trump, Putin - corrupt populists of every kind - are not so much on the side of the people as they are on their own side. If you take my meaning

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: network dude

And just so you know, they didn't ask me, so I really don't have control over who's the nominee, but it sure seems like lots of folks like Trump. I bet they are all wrong and crazy, amirite.

Lots of folks love Putin too

My reason for this thread is that the fervor and venom used against Trump seems to fuel his rise much more so than he could have on his own.

Well, I'm sure you can't see it - but that's not exactly a glowing endorsement of Trump

Do you feel comfortable with this - Trump being negatively promoted into being nominated?

I must suck at conveying my thoughts. Everything I hear about Trump has to do with his personality. Everything else seems to just be noise. I totally get it. He's a dick. I think everybody knows this. I was good with the results of his policies for the most part. Sure there were negatives, but overall, much better than current in my opinion. YMMV

a reply to: network dude

No, you're conveying your thoughts

You want Trump for president and you think he's done nothing wrong :-)

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: network dude

No, you're conveying your thoughts

You want Trump for president and you think he's done nothing wrong :-)

not nothing, just nothing to make me want more of what we have now.

a reply to: FarmerSimulation

Somehow you missed that I was referring to your admitted 14 seconds of due diligence

No, I didn't miss that.

blether blether systemic ekection fraud bluh bluh

Like Vegas, eh. Everybody's in on a the scam. Every godfearin', high- school-failin', MAGA-supporting clown on the internet knows all about it. Only trouble: not one of them can prove it, in court or out.

Sorry I mistook you someone with an arguably grown-up political position.

By the way, you mean systematic, not systemic.

originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: FarmerSimulation

Somehow you missed that I was referring to your admitted 14 seconds of due diligence

No, I didn't miss that.

blether blether systemic ekection fraud bluh bluh

Like Vegas, eh. Everybody's in on a the scam. Every godfearin', high- school-failin', MAGA-supporting clown on the internet knows all about it. Only trouble: not one of them can prove it, in court or out.

Sorry I mistook you someone with an arguably grown-up political position.

By the way, you mean systematic, not systemic.

No, I meant as in relation to a system.
Like how I used it in the sentence.
Like the systemic voter fraud Biden bragged about while campaigning.
Like what is represented in EO13848. Systemic enough to be an EO.
Systemic enough for Biden not to let expire and sign for.
There are entire threads on the fraud and theft.
Yet you ask for proof.