Israeli Politician admits 12,000 Palestinians have died so far but... they're mostly terrorists!

originally posted by: Insurrectile
a reply to: FlyersFan

NOPE, you are twisting facts.
HAMAS is calling for Genocide.
Israel isn't committing it.

We're ignoring the UN definitions for political reasons again, LiarsFan?

It's not even about twisting facts anymore, wish it would.

Genocide is killing indiscriminately , Men , Women and Children whether they are combatants or not .

The IDF on the ground are fighting Hamas / Radicals .

The Airstrikes are killing some Civilians yes as airstrikes in any conflict always do . It's an unfortunate thing that so many young Palestinian males are radicalized it truly is , But it is the reality of the situation and this is War .

What makes this War so different from any other ? It's Israel and they are Jewish

originally posted by: Insurrectile
We're ignoring the UN definitions for political reasons again,

I already posted the UN definition of Genocide many times.
So no. No one is 'ignoring UN definitions'.
(not that they have the definitive definition .. just one of many)
Here it is again, and clearly Israels actions dont fit the definition for 'Genocide'.

UN Definition Genocide

Article II

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

- Killing members of the group;

- Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

- Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

- Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

- Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

'Intent' ... Israel has no 'INTENT' to destroy the Palestinians, even though the Palestinians have intent to destroy the Israelis. There are 2.3 million Palestinians and only a few thousand supposedly dead. If Israel's INTENT was to destroy them .. they'd be destroyed. Israel has the firepower to do so quickly and effectively.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
This war is an opportunity for people to be open about their hatred of Jews.

... while pretending to give a crap about Palestinians.
The same Palestinians who call for Israel to be destroyed and all Jews to die.
THAT is actual genocide. Not what Israel is doing.
The Jew haters keep ignoring that and refusing to condemn actual calls for genocide by Palestinians and Hamas.

a reply to: FlyersFan

From your Article II the condition is met:

Article II

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

Intention to inflict on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in PART;

Depriving the people of water, food, electricity, fuel, communication then indiscriminately bombing them before any evacuation orders. After evacuation orders and the people started walking South while they bombed their evacuation corridor. Now Israel is issuing another evacuation order so they can continue to bomb the South of Gaza too while further condensing a large population of people into an even smaller area.

The South African government asks ICC to issue an arrest warrant for Netanyahu.

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originally posted by: quintessentone
From your Article II the condition is met:

No, it's not.

Intention to inflict on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in PART .... NO INTENT was to inflict anything on the Palestinians. The INTENT was to hit HAMAS. Food and water and aid is provided for the Palestinians. ANY harm that comes to the Palestinians is because of the INTENT of HAMAS to use them as human shields.

My question again -

Hamas and the Palestinians call for the destruction of Israel.
Hamas and the Palestinians call for the deaths of all Jews in Israel.
Hamas attempts to make that happen ... over and over ... and to pull in other muslim countries to make it happen.
So why won't you acknowledge that is actual GENOCIDE????

originally posted by: Insurrectile
Except that Bibi did call for a fight against Amalek.

So what? Hamas is evil and is trying to destroy Israel.
So Bibi involves Israeli history and says Hamas has to be wiped out.
That's not genocide.
That's destruction of an enemy that is trying to destroy you.

LiarsFan!

Since you can't have an adult discussion, I've notified the moderators about your behavior.

double post

a reply to: FlyersFan

Why do you believe it wasn't their intent to cause mass suffering so they will either die or leave?

Because one-side said so?

Intent can be assumed by outcome.

Here's the outcome.

The HAMAS leaders are sitting untouched.

Over 5,000 Palestinian children are dead.

Israel turned off water and electricity - how are those weapons?

They are only letting in a small percentage of food - not enough to feed people.

How is food a weapon?

It's genocide - just because Israel says it isn't doesn't change the facts.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

LiarsFan!

Since you can't have an adult discussion, I've notified the moderators about your behavior.

It always descends into Insults when they fail to convert, er, I mean convince.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone
From your Article II the condition is met:

No, it's not.

Intention to inflict on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in PART .... NO INTENT was to inflict anything on the Palestinians. The INTENT was to hit HAMAS. Food and water and aid is provided for the Palestinians. ANY harm that comes to the Palestinians is because of the INTENT of HAMAS to use them as human shields.

My question again -

Hamas and the Palestinians call for the destruction of Israel.
Hamas and the Palestinians call for the deaths of all Jews in Israel.
Hamas attempts to make that happen ... over and over ... and to pull in other muslim countries to make it happen.
So why won't you acknowledge that is actual GENOCIDE????

We can argue the point until doomsday but the fact remains neither you nor I have the wherewithall or expertise to expand on the complexities of that article.

originally posted by: Daughter2v2
a reply to: FlyersFan

Why do you believe it wasn't their intent to cause mass suffering so they will either die or leave?

Because one-side said so?

Intent can be assumed by outcome.

Here's the outcome.

The HAMAS leaders are sitting untouched.

Over 5,000 Palestinian children are dead.

Israel turned off water and electricity - how are those weapons?

They are only letting in a small percentage of food - not enough to feed people.

How is food a weapon?

It's genocide - just because Israel says it isn't doesn't change the facts.

In all of this where is the Palestinian anger towards Hamas for putting them in this position?.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Not enough food and water is being allowed - it's not enough so people will not die!

And there are PLENTY of people calling for the destruction of everyone in GAZA.

This includes civilians who post sick videos on Youtube mocking suffering of Palestinians as
well as leaders in the Israel government.

One politician had a wedding of hate - in which they called from the extermination of Palestinians.

Why don't you care about that?

Why don't you acknowledge that hate?

a reply to: Tagz

As if the Palestinian people have any power or their anger or continued trauma has any bearing on anybody or anything, or if it ever did.

originally posted by: Daughter2v2
Why do you believe it wasn't their intent to cause mass suffering so they will either die or leave?

Obviously it is not Israels intent to genocide the Palestinians OR THEY WOULD BE DEAD. Israel has the ability to kill them all, and yet only a few thousand are supposedly dead.

The HAMAS leaders are sitting untouched.

Because they are in QATAR.

Over 5,000 Palestinian children are dead.

Says Hamas. And any dead Palestinians are the fault of Hamas who uses them as human shields. Israel has a right to defend itself. It's not going to curl up and die even though the anti-Jew brigade wishes they would.

Israel turned off water and electricity - how are those weapons?
They are only letting in a small percentage of food - not enough to feed people.
How is food a weapon?

The Palestinians have food and water. Even though the vast majority of Palestinians call for the destruction of Israel and the death of all the Jews, Israel still allows the aid in to the Palestinians while it fights Hamas.

Again - 2.3 million Palestinians. Only a few thousand supposedly dead. Israel could kill all of them if their INTENT was genocide. It's obviously. not.

It's genocide - just because Israel says it isn't doesn't change the facts.

No. It's not.

Again ... ACTUAL genocide is being called for against the Israelis by the Palestinians and Hamas. They call for the destruction of Israel and the deaths of all the Jews. They take steps to make that happen. Why don't you call it what it is .... GENOCIDE?

a reply to: FlyersFan


I believe both of you thought it was just fine for those children to sing about destroying all of Gaza?

That song was put out by the Israel government!

When the "other side" does it, you call it genocide, when Israel does the exact same thing but worse, you call it defense.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Daughter2v2
Why do you believe it wasn't their intent to cause mass suffering so they will either die or leave?

Obviously it is not Israels intent to genocide the Palestinians OR THEY WOULD BE DEAD. Israel has the ability to kill them all, and yet only a few thousand are supposedly dead.

The HAMAS leaders are sitting untouched.

Because they are in QATAR.

Over 5,000 Palestinian children are dead.

Says Hamas. And any dead Palestinians are the fault of Hamas who uses them as human shields. Israel has a right to defend itself. It's not going to curl up and die even though the anti-Jew brigade wishes they would.

Israel turned off water and electricity - how are those weapons?
They are only letting in a small percentage of food - not enough to feed people.
How is food a weapon?

The Palestinians have food and water. Even though the vast majority of Palestinians call for the destruction of Israel and the death of all the Jews, Israel still allows the aid in to the Palestinians while it fights Hamas.

Again - 2.3 million Palestinians. Only a few thousand supposedly dead. Israel could kill all of them if their INTENT was genocide. It's obviously. not.

It's genocide - just because Israel says it isn't doesn't change the facts.

No. It's not.

Again ... ACTUAL genocide is being called for against the Israelis by the Palestinians and Hamas. They call for the destruction of Israel and the deaths of all the Jews. They take steps to make that happen. Why don't you call it what it is .... GENOCIDE?

Read Article II - ...in whole or in PART.

originally posted by: Daughter2v2
Not enough food and water is being allowed - it's not enough so people will not die!

Put the blame for this where it belongs ... on HAMAS. And you might as well put the blame for this on the Palestinians who put Hamas in charge as well.

And there are PLENTY of people calling for the destruction of everyone in GAZA.

Some are. So what? It's not happening. Can't blame them for calling for it though. The PALESTINIANS and HAMAS are actively and openly calling for the destruction of Israel and the death of all Jews. It's only natural that some of those on the receiving end of that hate are going to want to wipe out the Palestinians and Hamas before the Palestinians and Hamas wipe them out. SELF PRESERVATION.

Why don't you acknowledge that hate?

Hamas and the Palestinians call for the destruction of Israel and the death of all Jews.
Hamas and the Palestinians actually try to make that happen.
Why don't you acknowledge actual calls and attempts at genocide against the Jews???

originally posted by: FlyersFan

The Palestinians have food and water. Even though the vast majority of Palestinians call for the destruction of Israel and the death of all the Jews, Israel still allows the aid in to the Palestinians while it fights Hamas.

No they don't. They barely had enough food at the start of the war!

What about that nurse from doctor's without boarders - she was an American. She talked about the lack of food and water.
She wasn't part of HAMAS, was she?
Why don't you believe her?

Why won't Israel allow as much food and water - why restrict it?

Geez, if the most horrific criminals get food and water and Israel denies it children!

There's only one reason - to slowly kill civilians.

originally posted by: Daughter2v2
When the "other side" does it, you call it genocide, when Israel does the exact same thing but worse, you call it defense.

Israel isn't doing the same thing but worse.
Israel is engaged in self defense.
And their intent isn't genocide.
Hamas and the Palestinians are engaged in outright genocide.
And you refuse to acknowledge it.