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Israeli Politician admits 12,000 Palestinians have died so far but... they're mostly terrorists!

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posted on Nov, 26 2023 @ 06:01 PM
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a reply to: quintessentone

Actually that confirmation bias is a good place to start fact checking.

DC Cowboy always says something along the lines of "the need to stop killing Jews"

Then I thought, let me check that and see how much is going on.

Turns out Israel killed over 10 times more Palestinians in the last ten years.

Until this conflict and seeing how some posters respond, I had no idea the ratio was so high.



posted on Nov, 26 2023 @ 06:36 PM
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originally posted by: Daughter2v2
a reply to: quintessentone

Actually that confirmation bias is a good place to start fact checking.

DC Cowboy always says something along the lines of "the need to stop killing Jews"

Then I thought, let me check that and see how much is going on.

Turns out Israel killed over 10 times more Palestinians in the last ten years.

Until this conflict and seeing how some posters respond, I had no idea the ratio was so high.



I knew the ratio was high because I researched the history of the mutual massacres since 1947.

Even fact checking can be driven by biases.

The same with the torture of Palestinians in Israeli detention/prison, the actual realities are not reported in the mainstream media news that quite a few members here use. It seems it's easier for members here to talk to each and only hear each other and convince each other that everyone else is wrong.

What's happening here is a circular reasoning fallacy and the challenges for all people here are not only to broaden their media habits but also try to learn about media literacy and media corruption.



“The Israeli forces have killed nearly 50 journalists in 45 days in the Gaza Strip, including 11 in the course of their work. This is one of the deadliest tolls in a century. International journalists are banned from entering Gaza. Reporters there have no safe refuge and no way of leaving. They are being killed one after another. Since 7 October, the Palestinian territory has been subjected to a veritable eradication of journalism. We urge the international community to intervene to protect the journalists there, to open the Rafah border crossing, and to enable international reporters to go in.”
Jonathan Dagher
Head of RSF’s Middle East desk


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posted on Nov, 26 2023 @ 06:37 PM
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originally posted by: quintessentone

We've all been told stuff for shock value now what do you actually know to be true?


That 1000s have been killed in Gaza since this started, I don't think anyone doesn't know that. We also know the mindset of Hamas a good deal and they don't care about the population there so you have Israel fighting Hamas and civilians are dying in the process most likely from both sides.



posted on Nov, 26 2023 @ 06:53 PM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: quintessentone

We've all been told stuff for shock value now what do you actually know to be true?


That 1000s have been killed in Gaza since this started, I don't think anyone doesn't know that. We also know the mindset of Hamas a good deal and they don't care about the population there so you have Israel fighting Hamas and civilians are dying in the process most likely from both sides.


Where did you get your truths regarding your comments above?



posted on Nov, 26 2023 @ 06:53 PM
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Satellite radar imagery charting likely damage (including likely lateral damage) in Gaza since the start of the war; steady and fast expansion of damage in different areas of all of Gaza which is an area of 5 miles x 25 miles.


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posted on Nov, 26 2023 @ 08:14 PM
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originally posted by: quintessentone

Where did you get your truths regarding your comments above?


I'm not sure how much of it is "truths" as right now we do not have actual numbers so we can surmise an estimate. We can say a total of 15k, but is it more or less, I don't think anyone can say for sure. It's not something I'm trying to follow very closely due to the bias that typically comes with the numbers.

I get my info from a few podcasts, Here are some I find pretty good Combat Veteran Reacts, Tim Cast, Lex Fridman, Louder with Crowder, Shawn Ryan Show, Peter Zeihan. Douglas Murray, ZDoggMD, Joe Rogan, Speak the Truth, and I dabble in others.

I don't watch general news shows.



posted on Nov, 26 2023 @ 08:35 PM
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a reply to: quintessentone

Israel - October 9th: We are going to eradicate HAMAS leadership. That is priority #1!

Source: www.dailymail.co.uk...

Netanyahu then proceeded to have thousands of innocent men, women, and CHILDREN brutally murdered and maimed, in the process of killing the rank-and-file terrorists carrying out orders from the 4 leaders he (Netanyahu) promised to eradicate. Meanwhile, the 4 terrorist leaders are alive and well, continuing to live their lives of luxury in other countries.

If Benjamin Netanyahu wasn't COMPROMISED, or SCARED, or CRAZY, Hamas leaders would have been assassinated FAST, possibly avoiding the need to kill the rank-and-file terrorists, along 10,000+ innocent civilians, in GAZA.

If HAMAS leaders were assassinated first, the field terrorists would have likely given up, or ran away, due to not having any support from above.




posted on Nov, 26 2023 @ 08:50 PM
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a reply to: WeMustCare

Patience.

They will all get what’s coming to them.



posted on Nov, 26 2023 @ 09:16 PM
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originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: quintessentone

So, you can see with your own eyes Palestinians waving Hamas flags. In the West Bank.

Do you condemn that?


Do you condemn Israeli security and police detaining women and children without charges, with trumped up charges, and trial before a military court?


Detaining them ?

As apposed to Raping them and Beheading them ? I don't recall Hamas holding courts before raping the woman and killing the children .

The IDF detaining people is humane mate , it could be much worse. They have every right to do MUCH MUCH Worse.


Did you bother reading Daughter and my sources describing the torture endured by those detained by Israeli police/prison guards?


I admit I did not .

interesting they are still alive to describe the terrible torture
. Do they have their Finger nails and Toe Nails ? Any broken bones ? Any dismemberment ? Is there any physical evidence they were tortured or are we just going on their word ?

I've been through certain military schools designed to test you under torture and captivity .

So maybe you should try again.
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posted on Nov, 27 2023 @ 09:14 AM
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a reply to: quintessentone

"So when someone like you adopts a one-sided biased narrative there is no way to move forward in any discussion."


LOL!



posted on Nov, 27 2023 @ 10:07 AM
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originally posted by: quintessentone
Satellite radar imagery charting likely damage (including likely lateral damage) in Gaza since the start of the war; steady and fast expansion of damage in different areas of all of Gaza which is an area of 5 miles x 25 miles.



That video was very strange to me.
Can you verify where, what and especially when the video of the damaged videos were taken.
It looked bad but also very contained and all of it looked to be just one area.

Outside of that in ran like an infomercial selling why we can trust their"science" to interprete for all of us what they say they cannot do.
Which is to provide pictures.
And they clearly say they do not provide pictures of damage but interpretation of pings returned.

I have been looking for pics and video evidence for both Israel and Palestine damage and I guess, deaths.

This entire episode is so much different than all the conflicts before.
I used to hustle pool for a living and this feels like we are getting the business.

Where is the white phosphorous for example.
That was present in the last major conflict and this is supposed to be greater and larger is it not?
Starting with all the very strange anomalies with the reporting of the festival massacre.
600 foreigners killed, right?
Sure man.
All the families speaking up is deafening.
Well their silence is.

In the meantime I have been looking for video and pics for a month and all I get is reporting of video and pics interpreted.


I can feel it. We are getting the business. Which has to be a good thing as I interprete it.

This video supports my intuition on this.
Everything seems to be staged like to cover up evidence or something as maybe peace was already negotiated before it began.

Forgive me for not believing anything a talking head is trying to sell me.


I have to assume most of this war has been fought in the sophisticated and vast tunnel network so far. That I can believe.
I just have a different idea and reasoning for what that is all about is all.

Funny, I watched that video with the thought "oh, some pics" and after watching it "say whaaaaat?".
New technology where satellite images that need interpretation.
And this video interpreting the interpretation and selling it as science.
And of course, "trust the science".

We are getting the business



posted on Nov, 27 2023 @ 11:07 AM
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a reply to: quintessentone
"So when someone like you adopts a one-sided biased narrative there is no way to move forward in any discussion."


WOW. Coming from you that's a hoot!


2.3 million Gazans.
A few thousand supposedly dead.
None are intentionally targeted by Israel.
That's not genocide.

Hamas calls for the destruction of Israel and death of all Jews.
Hamas tries to make it happen.
THAT is actual genocide. Why don't you acknowledge this???

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posted on Nov, 27 2023 @ 11:13 AM
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8 year old terrorists I'm sure.
Looks like genocide from here but it's near impossible to parse out the facts.



posted on Nov, 27 2023 @ 12:02 PM
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Combatants for Peace video where a former Palestinian prisoner and a former IDF elite commando unit member both now advocate for peace and that it is a fantasy to think there will ever be a military solution to this conflict.

At 5:55 mark on the video: Give a listen to the former IDF commando who after realizing the true nature of the government and the systematic oppression and violence of Israel government on the Palestinian people, he refused to serve in the occupied territories, he then became a peace activist.

The circles of violence keep going, the levels of violence keep rising and the reasons that perpetuate it. Part II to follow.


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posted on Nov, 27 2023 @ 12:10 PM
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a reply to: FlyersFan

You keep saying it, I'll keep repeating it.



Israel is committing genocide.

Genocide is defined as making a group of people live in inhumane conditions..

Israel took away housing, food, water, medical care and education- that's genocide!


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posted on Nov, 27 2023 @ 12:13 PM
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originally posted by: Daughter2v2
You keep saying it, I'll keep repeating it.

You keep saying it, I'll keep repeating it .... IT IS NOT GENOCIDE.

HAMAS took those things away from the Palestinians.
Israel allows humanitarian aid to the Palestinians.
It's HAMAS' fault Gaza is a mess ... hitting Israel and then hiding behind civilians.
Israel has a right to defend itself.

Hamas calls for the destruction of Israel and death of all Jews.
Hamas tries to make it happen.
THAT is actual genocide. Why don't you acknowledge this???


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posted on Nov, 27 2023 @ 12:21 PM
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a reply to: FlyersFan

Nope, you are twisting facts.

ISRAEL IS COMMITTING GENOCIDE!

The rate of murder of civilians by Israel is greater than the rate of murder of civilians by Hitler!

Israel cut off water and electric
Didn't you see all the youtube videos of Israelis mocking the Palestinian's lack of water and electricity?

Israel is blocking aid - even if the truck is searched.
They only let 10% of the food in compared to what usually is given.
Would you like to only eat 10% of your food and water?

And they are bombing hospitals.

It's like if Russia started bombing American neighborhoods because soldiers might be living there - that's no reason to kill civilians.

And there's is plenty of proof that government as well as civilians in Israel called for Gaza to be wiped off the face of the earth!

Geez, they even released a song about killing everyone in GAZA, why don't you acknowledge that?






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posted on Nov, 27 2023 @ 12:26 PM
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originally posted by: Daughter2v2
Nope, you are twisting facts.
ISRAEL IS COMMITTING GENOCIDE!


NOPE, you are twisting facts.
HAMAS is calling for Genocide.
Israel isn't committing it.
If they wanted to, every last person in Gaza would be dead.
They aren't. Not even close.
Aid is going in. Civilians aren't targeted.
Human shields are dying, but that's the fault of Hamas.
Israel has a right to defend itself.

Hamas calls for the destruction of Israel and death of all Jews.
Hamas tries to make it happen.
THAT is actual genocide. Why don't you acknowledge this???



posted on Nov, 27 2023 @ 12:40 PM
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NOPE, you are twisting facts.
HAMAS is calling for Genocide.
Israel isn't committing it.


We're ignoring the UN definitions for political reasons again, LiarsFan?

It's not even about twisting facts anymore, wish it would.



posted on Nov, 27 2023 @ 12:45 PM
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a reply to: FlyersFan

This war is an opportunity for people to be open about their hatred of Jews.

At the height of the wars in the ME, I didn't want all Muslims dead or gone, or punished.

Yet before the bodies were even cold, support came out for the palestinians who have raped, tortured, bombed, killed thousands of innocent Israeli's.

I think it's bullcrap, honestly.

I'm sick of people in the media and social media being coyly anti-Semitic while giving lip service to terrorists all the while "pretending" to give a crap about children.

They don't take about the hostages.
They refer to hamas and palestinians as "freedom fighters".
They chant and hashtag Holocaust 2.0

They are disgusting!




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