Jorden looses the second vote

a reply to: Xtrozero

Jordan has backed away from the whole election thing awhile back.

Rep. Bacon made his vote for Jordan contingent on him acknowledging that Biden was the rightful President. Jordan refused to do so. As such, Bacon keeps voting against Jordan.

originally posted by: Threadbare

How can we even know that's the case when the GOP refuses to attempt to make any inroads with the Dems? Until the GOP approaches them with a moderate candidate that's willing to work with them on key issues, we can't say one way or another if they would reject that candidate in favor of Jeffries.

Like Pelosi was?

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

And we would end up with a speaker that is NOT representing the 70 million republican voters.

The 70 million want Jim Jordan.

It is known.

Republicans barely hold the house. They need the Republican voters. Why aren't they paying attention to the primary race?

If they were, Jordan would have won on the first vote.

The holdouts have a reason. Maybe individual reason(s), but its not to represent the republican voters.

a reply to: Threadbare

By my standards, the Republicans have been offering near the bottom of the barrel as it is. Going any deeper into the peanut gallery of Gaetz and Santos will not work and thus far, even with Mccarthy, they have not shown an ability to unify on one person, so the only choice the R's have it to find someone of the moderate persuasion, Meanwhile the House is stuck. Right? Do we want it to be stuck until the R's can find someone alone or do we want to see them, both parties start to to work together to find some one.. i go with bipartisanship and not partisanship.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
I think Jordan would be an excellent speaker. He is very sharp... The Dems most likely do not like him because he is very sharp and can call them out rather quickly.

Let's set aside his knowledge or even potential involvement in the insurrection; let's also set aside the fact that he is a defendant in a lawsuit filed by his old university, alleging covering up sexual abuse of children. Also let's set aside that that case just got approval recently to go forward and discovery may have begun by now.

But let's set that aside and just focus on the fact that he's been a Congressman for 16 years and does not have a single bill with his name on it. What job have you ever had where you can just # around for 16 years and keep it? Certainly an awesome job he's in, and he can even keep getting re-elected in his district, that's democracy -- but he is not a good leader, and he's a completely ineffective legislator.

That fact that he wants power so bad, while never showing leadership or skill in his work, is even more concerning. He just feels entitled to be 3rd in line for presidency, when he's done jack # for 16 years.

I'm glad there are enough adults in the GOP to see the same thing I'm seeing, and are blocking him. Good on them.

originally posted by: Threadbare

Rep. Bacon made his vote for Jordan contingent on him acknowledging that Biden was the rightful President. Jordan refused to do so. As such, Bacon keeps voting against Jordan.

Makes me wonder if Jordan and others know something that just cannot be proven, so others say just move on. He is a very logically driven person, I don't see him jumping off on whimsical stories, do you?

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels
a reply to: TerryMcGuire

And we would end up with a speaker that is NOT representing the 70 million republican voters.

The 70 million want Jim Jordan.

It is known.

Republicans barely hold the house. They need the Republican voters. Why aren't they paying attention to the primary race?

If they were, Jordan would have won on the first vote.

The holdouts have a reason. Maybe individual reason(s), but its not to represent the republican voters.

I disagree. I think hat the entire voting public wants representatives to serve them in the House and to work as politicians to compromise with other politicians to come to solutions that will serve the entire nation and not just one voting block.

a reply to: CanadianLoudMouth

I feel a lot more Republicans would vote for him.

The majority already do, it's only a small minority who don't.

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: pthenaWhat if the Democrats nominated Liz Cheney. She did show great dislike for Trump, so might this not be a possible candidate that enough of what are called rinos to also vote for?

That's what I'm talking about.

Cheney voted with Trump 98% of the time. She's a dyed in the wool, conservative Republican. She's just the right amount of "well maybe", and "nope", instead of the whole lotta "nope" we're getting right now, in my opinion.

a reply to: Threadbare

That does seem a very good point. That at least is a good move that Jordan, the ideologue seems incapable of.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Here I agree she is of solid conservative ground, but not the 'I"m Trump, King of the World'' variety.

originally posted by: Mahogany
involvement in the insurrection;

You lost me at the word insurrection, didn't really read the rest, sorry.

a reply to: CoyoteAngels

You continue to act that the 70 million that voted for Trump actually wanted Trump. Most of them just didn't want Biden.

Look at the makeup of Congress. The majority of Republicans are moderates. If the people wanted more people like Jordan, then why are there not more people like Jordan in Congress?

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

The Dems got burned by McCarthy multiple times. His refusal to bring forward the CR that was agreed on during the summer, that the Dems had made concessions to secure, was a big reason they didn't save him.

Until the GOP are willing to show they can operate in good faith the Dems have no reason to make a deal and save the GOP.

a reply to: Mahogany

That fact that he wants power so bad, while never showing leadership or skill in his work, is even more concerning. He just feels entitled to be 3rd in line for presidency, when he's done jack # for 16 years.

Talking points, or did you come up with that tripe yourself?

They tried to talk him into running for speaker a few times before and he didn't want it. He supported McCarthy up to his removal as speaker. He also supported Scalise over himself before being nominated yet again. And having bills enacted isn't all there is to the job.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

Cheney voted with Trump 98% of the time. She's a dyed in the wool, conservative Republican. She's just the right amount of "well maybe", and "nope", instead of the whole lotta "nope" we're getting right now, in my opinion.

Cheney who? The one who lost big time in Wyoming this last election? Seems the people voted and you want to bring her in? Sounds like a plan you would endorse.

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

To most Republicans, even moderates, Cheney is now seen as tainted goods. Anybody that voted for her would risk their funding and the Party would most likely run a campaign to primary that person.

originally posted by: Threadbare

Until the GOP are willing to show they can operate in good faith the Dems have no reason to make a deal and save the GOP.

The GOP doesn't need saving though you have repeated that many times now. You seem to not remember the left made ZERO concessions and only had one goal and it was to impeach Trump as many times as they could. Now you ask the right to operate in good faith?

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

Then you don't understand republican voters.

Who have watched their meek and friendly representatives cross the aisle time and again, only to be called racist, sexist Nazi's, time and again and kicked in the teeth. Deplorables that need to be re-educated, by force if necessary.

a reply to: Threadbare

That is not true at all.

Many were second time voters for Trump.

You're tripping.

There is an individual story that is local for each representative. One size doesn't fit all.