Miss Universe Competition to Include at Least Two Trans Contestants

a reply to: quintessentone

And yet you won't share.

I am asking for your information and you won't give it.

So either it's there and you are just being obtuse and ignorant just to be that way, or it's not there and you are talking out of your ass.

And trust me, you two share plenty of biases, you just choose to ignore them. I believe they call that an "unconscious bias"

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: AdultMaleHuman73
a reply to: quintessentone

The wider extended issue is the objectification, exploitation and sexualization of children in these types of pageants, which everyone want to turn a blind eye to,

That's off topic in this thread though.
This thread is specifically about the unusual situation of biological males competing in a beauty pageant originally created for female participants.

If you start a thread about children and young women being exploited etc, in 'beauty pageants' then I'd certainly be interested in reading about it there, but not as an off-topic derailment in this thread.

Perhaps stay on topic instead? You won't seem to be an argumentative prick then🤪👍

I am not a prick I am a dick as in Columbo detective. lol

I find transgender bashing unacceptable and I will continue to call it out on every single thread that invites bashing.

Deal with it.

You forgot to answer this question

A transwoman is a man wanting to take part in female competitions.

Do you see the problem with it?

The problems I see with people and their questions here is bias and fear-based hate.

How many times you have now fudged the question?

a reply to: quintessentone

Googled "Miss Universe Transwomen Regulations" per your instructions.

The only thing that comes up is that they are allowing 2 men in the pageant as women.


Still no list of rules/regulations that entrants must abide by

In 2012, the Miss Universe Pageant was owned by Donald Trump. At that time, Canadian model/actress Jenna Talackova, a transgender woman was disqualified from competing but this decision was overridden by Trump himself. The Miss Universe organization announced a policy change to allow transgender women to take part in all of its competitions starting in 2013.


In 2018, Miss Spain, Angela Ponce, a transgender woman, competed in the Miss Universe pageant.


The Miss Universe Organization is now owned by JKN Global Group CEO Jakkaphong “Anne” Jakrajutatip, a Thai billionaire and transwoman.


Y’all need to get over yourselves and quit being whipped into an anti-everything trans frenzy by right-wing media hysteria. This is nothing new.

originally posted by: AdifferentOpinion
In 2012, the Miss Universe Pageant was owned by Donald Trump. At that time, Canadian model/actress Jenna Talackova, a transgender woman was disqualified from competing but this decision was overridden by Trump himself. The Miss Universe organization announced a policy change to allow transgender women to take part in all of its competitions starting in 2013.

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Men have no place in women's sports and competitions.

I think this is very simple and it has to be understood.

The Miss Universe Organization is now owned by JKN Global Group CEO Jakkaphong “Anne” Jakrajutatip, a Thai billionaire and transwoman.

A transwoman? Therefore a man.


There is nothing right wing when common sense is followed. It's just the usual strawman made by gender ideologues, trans activists, and radical left woke crowd.

a reply to: AdifferentOpinion

They are men, get it, men competing with women, what in the hell is that, just because you call yourself a "transgender woman" you are never a real woman.

The men dress in women clothing and thing in them is natural, at least women breast to begin with this man have none.

Get it, they are men, men, it should never happen, the men needs to leave us women alone, you know the real women.

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: AdifferentOpinion

They are men, get it, men competing with women, what in the hell is that, just because you call yourself a "transgender woman" you are never a real woman.

The men dress in women clothing and thing in them is natural, at least women breast to begin with this man have none.

Get it, they are men, men, it should never happen, the men needs to leave us women along, you know the real women.

Still they have answered this question.
They did fudge it several times. Especially quintissentone.

"A transwoman is a man wanting to take part in female competitions.

Do you see the problem with it?"

Nothing yet

I wonder why...

If someone has reassignment surgery they are not transgender. They transitioned. They are then a woman or a man by legal definition. It is then legally binding.

Jenna Talackova is a woman. She is not transgender. She has all female parts. Full transition.
With Rikkie Kolle noto sure. They have had gender-affirming surgery but that does not mean a full transition. It is a way to say they have had an operation but that does not equate to full. If that is the case, and the full transition has not taken place, they are a man.

It is not that hard to figure out or explain. However Kolle, I am POSITIVE they won because of an agenda. They were some very attractive women and Kolle looked like Bill Haders crackhead sister during that pageant

a reply to: Muldar

Thats the real issue that none of the soo call "trans supporters" wants to speak about, why is these men dress as women wants to be in real women roles, they want to force on others to be recognized as women.

No, they are not women and will never be, soo I will not be coerced to accept a man as a women plain and simple.

Especially when they think they can do better dress in women as real women.

hell no, those trans in the pictures have the best surgeries money can buy, still they will never have the anatomy of a real women.

Plain and simple.

You can put lipstick on a pig but is still a pig.

And if born males feels good looking at them, wait when you are in bed, it is not anatomically correct.

I do not care with who people get happy with but keep the darm males away from what is always been roles for born females.

a reply to: matafuchs

No surgery can give a man "real women parts" get it, they will always be anatomically incorrect, they have no vaginas, they have no uterus and they have no ovaries.

Plain and simple.

a reply to: marg6043

I understand. My point is there are those who transition and those who dress up. Thats all. Seems it is usually the ones playing dress up that cause the most issues.

a reply to: matafuchs


I know sorry for the passion in my post, I am just outraging how this new trans fad, is robbing real girls from a future, because men dress as women will dominate every aspect of what roles of women has been.

I also know that, many countries give away to trans and giving them status of women, including many states in the US, whem we know that women they will never be.

originally posted by: matafuchs
If someone has reassignment surgery they are not transgender. They transitioned. They are then a woman or a man by legal definition. It is then legally binding.

Jenna Talackova is a woman. She is not transgender. She has all female parts. Full transition.
With Rikkie Kolle noto sure. They have had gender-affirming surgery but that does not mean a full transition. It is a way to say they have had an operation but that does not equate to full. If that is the case, and the full transition has not taken place, they are a man.

It is not that hard to figure out or explain. However Kolle, I am POSITIVE they won because of an agenda. They were some very attractive women and Kolle looked like Bill Haders crackhead sister during that pageant

Biologically they're are not women and they will never be. Nobody has ever transitioned.

Let's be real please.

Gender reassignment surgery is another name for drugs-hormones-butchering of genitalia

a reply to: matafuchs



Men are men, women are women.

Men cannot be women, and vise versa.

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For some reason you all think I am defending this. I think it is ridiculous to have a 'man' enter any competition as a woman. I have a 13 year old daughter. I understand. I look at this as biological and legal. In my post I said 'legally'. Getting implants does not mean you suddenly get your period or have kids.

However, since I have known someone since my youth who did transition and I can guarantee you would never know because it is not talked about or flaunted. They hate the current movement and the drag queens and all of that other garbage because they went through this and the operation in the 90's. A much different view back then.

There are two genders. Male and Female. Most of us get this. This is genetically and scientifically a fact.

The issue I have is that the entire transgender discussion is not about transitioning anymore. It has been hijacked by the LGBTQR2D2 movement and it covers a wide range of things which is more fetish. A gay guy can put on a dress now and people cheer transgender. That is a transvestite. A cross-dresser.

Before this needed to be an issue there were plenty of gender reassignment surgeries. You even have a former Olympic athlete do it. He cut it off, got some implants and is now, legally, a woman. Should he win a Woman of the Year award? No. Should he compete in physical competition with women? No. Is his gender now a woman. No. However, legally in the courts, he is now a woman.

You have Trans women who then identify as lesbian. Trans men who like other...men. This is fetish. This is something in your past that caused this activity and mindset. Many times you find this with abuse.

I feel read bad for all the parents that spent 10's of thousands of dollars on their little girls to lose to someone who only won because of the need to pander to the few and not reward the hard work of others. Riley Gaines is a god send for action in the US. She is not afraid to speak her mind.

In any world men competing against women is wrong, just as women competing with men is. There is nothing fair about either.

a reply to: matafuchs

In any world men competing against women is wrong, just as women competing with men is. There is nothing fair about either.

You can mantra that statement all you want but the reality is that sports and beauty pageant organization and other areas of life are inclusive of transwomen in their venues and they make the rules therein.

a reply to: AdifferentOpinion

It's fear-based hate and/or just fear-fueled bias driving some members here into this bashing frenzy. It's sad but they are a small minority in most countries worldwide. I just wish they had as much outrage for the more serious matters in society that being the violence against women (including transwomen) and children which I feel is perpetuated by these types of beauty pageants.

originally posted by: quintessentone
the violence against women (including transwomen) and children which I feel is perpetuated by these types of beauty pageants.

I don't know if there is actual violence against women that is incited because of these contests. I don't know if any studies have been done or interviews with rapists have that coming out or not ... But I do know objectification of women in things like pornography DOES incite violence against women. So I suppose the beauty contests aren't too far removed from that.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone
the violence against women (including transwomen) and children which I feel is perpetuated by these types of beauty pageants.

I don't know if there is actual violence against women that is incited because of these contests. I don't know if any studies have been done or interviews with rapists have that coming out or not ... But I do know objectification of women in things like pornography DOES incite violence against women. So I suppose the beauty contests aren't too far removed from that.

Thank you for that acknowledgement that objectification of women and children in any form may perpetuate violence as it stands to reason that someone viewing someone else as an object of sex makes them less than a real person.

As for these types of venues, there also is something named self-objectification and that is what may be happening here for some of the contestants, which can lead to self harm.

Some call children's beauty pageants nothing more than softcore pedophile pornography and include children twerking.