UK Health Secretary to ban transwomen from female hospital wards

originally posted by: rigel4
a reply to: Muldar

Great news.
now ban them from everywhere else too.

It's a very sensible decision and I don't see why there could be complaints. There have been complaints by trans activists according to the link and other newspapers but since the UK admits patients in wards according to their biological sex, the decision is sound.

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: rigel4
a reply to: Muldar

Great news.
now ban them from everywhere else too.

It's a very sensible decision and I don't see why there could be complaints. There have been complaints by trans activists according to the link and other newspapers but since the UK admits patients in wards according to their biological sex, the decision is sound.

Agree with you entirely.

Otherwise go private and pay for a room of your own.
Hang any sign on the door of your room. you want. its yours you are paying for it.

Public places . hospitals , public toilets , sports ...............NO

you hang your coat based on your ying or yang.. not what you wish it were.

originally posted by: rigel4

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: rigel4
a reply to: Muldar

Great news.
now ban them from everywhere else too.

It's a very sensible decision and I don't see why there could be complaints. There have been complaints by trans activists according to the link and other newspapers but since the UK admits patients in wards according to their biological sex, the decision is sound.

Agree with you entirely.

Otherwise go private and pay for a room of your own.
Hang any sign on the door of your room. you want. its yours you are paying for it.

Public places . hospitals , public toilets , sports ...............NO

you hang your coat based on your ying or yang.. not what you wish it were.

It seems the message isn't clear for those who support the cause. The UK has had in the last 2 years together with the US a range of laws and regulations that restrict or ban transwomen's participation in sports and women's events don't allow anymore the use of female only spaces. This is no different.

originally posted by: Mahogany

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: Mahogany
a reply to: Muldar

You mean to say there are brain surgeons who only operate on males and those who operate on females?

Or heart transplant, or hip replacement, you're saying there are separate doctors for each sex?

Prove it please. I don't believe you.

No I don't. It's a strawman.
Keep the conversation on the topic of this thread.

It literally is not a strawman, it could not be more on topic, you just don't have a reply.

Men and women are exactly the same medically. The only different doctors we need are the OBGYN. And if these are fully transitioned women, they will go to an OBGYN, they won't have to turn their heads and cough.

There’s a small matter of a rib.

And pelvis width.

And hormones.

And sexual organs.

And mammary glands.

And attitude/outlook on life. (I E women don’t want to share a medical ward with men who have mutilated themselves because of a mental disorder)

Just off the top of my head.

originally posted by: Dalamax

originally posted by: Mahogany

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: Mahogany
a reply to: Muldar

You mean to say there are brain surgeons who only operate on males and those who operate on females?

Or heart transplant, or hip replacement, you're saying there are separate doctors for each sex?

Prove it please. I don't believe you.

No I don't. It's a strawman.
Keep the conversation on the topic of this thread.

It literally is not a strawman, it could not be more on topic, you just don't have a reply.

Men and women are exactly the same medically. The only different doctors we need are the OBGYN. And if these are fully transitioned women, they will go to an OBGYN, they won't have to turn their heads and cough.

There’s a small matter of a rib.

And pelvis width.

And hormones.

And sexual organs.

And mammary glands.

And attitude/outlook on life. (I E women don’t want to share a medical ward with men who have mutilated themselves because of a mental disorder)

Just off the top of my head.

originally posted by: Dalamax

originally posted by: Mahogany

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: Mahogany
a reply to: Muldar

You mean to say there are brain surgeons who only operate on males and those who operate on females?

Or heart transplant, or hip replacement, you're saying there are separate doctors for each sex?

Prove it please. I don't believe you.

No I don't. It's a strawman.
Keep the conversation on the topic of this thread.

It literally is not a strawman, it could not be more on topic, you just don't have a reply.

Men and women are exactly the same medically. The only different doctors we need are the OBGYN. And if these are fully transitioned women, they will go to an OBGYN, they won't have to turn their heads and cough.

There’s a small matter of a rib.

And pelvis width.

And hormones.

And sexual organs.

And mammary glands.

And attitude/outlook on life. (I E women don’t want to share a medical ward with men who have mutilated themselves because of a mental disorder)

Just off the top of my head.

There are many differences between men and women. For example men don't get cervical cancer despite the claim we all get the same diseases. But the main attempt was to argue transwomen won't get good treatment or won't be treated, which are completely false. They will be treated in the men's hospital wards.

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: Mahogany

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: Mahogany

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: Mahogany
a reply to: Muldar

You mean to say there are brain surgeons who only operate on males and those who operate on females?

Or heart transplant, or hip replacement, you're saying there are separate doctors for each sex?

Prove it please. I don't believe you.

No I don't. It's a strawman.
Keep the conversation on the topic of this thread.

It literally is not a strawman, it could not be more on topic, you just don't have a reply.

Men and women are exactly the same medically. The only different doctors we need are the OBGYN. And if these are fully transitioned women, they will go to an OBGYN, they won't have to turn their heads and cough.

I think you have confused your arguments here. The UK admits patients in wards according to their biological sex and not 'gender identity'. So transwomen cannot be in women's hospital wards.

Forget about medical matters and diseases. We are not the same and we don't get the same diseases. Can men get cervical cancer? But that's not the topic of this conversation.

It is the topic of this conversation. The topic you created is focused on this. What are women, what are men.

They don't do genetic testing when you get admitted to the hospital, and outside of the OBGYN, which I already mentioned, we use the same doctors. We have identical bodies, get the same diseases and have the same injuries. We take the same blood pressure meds and antibiotics and have the same surgeries.

There is no reason to separate women from men medically. But this is not a medical decision, this is a political/cultural decision.

And as others already mentioned, it will be news for only a flash.

Do men get cervical cancer?
Out of curiosity...

Or ovarian cysts..
Or endometriosis..

Or Rett syndrome which is transmitted through recessive X chromosomes which can only be passed down from your mother.

And the fact that the OP mentioned an OB, which specializes in preconception, pregnancy, and childbirth.

But yeah, medically we are exactly the same. No need for specialists; I’m sure that would turn out great!

originally posted by: Surfacenuke

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: Mahogany

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: Mahogany

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: Mahogany
a reply to: Muldar

You mean to say there are brain surgeons who only operate on males and those who operate on females?

Or heart transplant, or hip replacement, you're saying there are separate doctors for each sex?

Prove it please. I don't believe you.

No I don't. It's a strawman.
Keep the conversation on the topic of this thread.

It literally is not a strawman, it could not be more on topic, you just don't have a reply.

Men and women are exactly the same medically. The only different doctors we need are the OBGYN. And if these are fully transitioned women, they will go to an OBGYN, they won't have to turn their heads and cough.

I think you have confused your arguments here. The UK admits patients in wards according to their biological sex and not 'gender identity'. So transwomen cannot be in women's hospital wards.

Forget about medical matters and diseases. We are not the same and we don't get the same diseases. Can men get cervical cancer? But that's not the topic of this conversation.

It is the topic of this conversation. The topic you created is focused on this. What are women, what are men.

They don't do genetic testing when you get admitted to the hospital, and outside of the OBGYN, which I already mentioned, we use the same doctors. We have identical bodies, get the same diseases and have the same injuries. We take the same blood pressure meds and antibiotics and have the same surgeries.

There is no reason to separate women from men medically. But this is not a medical decision, this is a political/cultural decision.

And as others already mentioned, it will be news for only a flash.

Do men get cervical cancer?
Out of curiosity...

Or ovarian cysts..
Or endometriosis..

Or Rett syndrome which is transmitted through recessive X chromosomes which can only be passed down from your mother.

And the fact that the OP mentioned an OB, which specializes in preconception, pregnancy, and childbirth.

But yeah, medically we are exactly the same. No need for specialists; I’m sure that would turn out great!

To me these are the usual desperate attempts to defend something that can't be defended and this is the trans agenda/ideology.

originally posted by: Mahogany
a reply to: Muldar

Are these fully transitioned people who have gone through surgery and all, or just people who identify as other sex?

Usually not. They still have their junk. And it still works.

Because if they are fully transitioned, what difference does it make? I understand that in some circumstances separation may be involved because patients need to be bathed and washed while in bed, but if they went through surgery what difference does it make?

The difference is that they have an X chromosome in every cell in their bodies. They may put on make-up, but they are men pretending to be women. And experience shows (such as in prisons) that this can have disastrous consequences.

originally posted by: schuyler

originally posted by: Mahogany
a reply to: Muldar

Are these fully transitioned people who have gone through surgery and all, or just people who identify as other sex?

Usually not. They still have their junk. And it still works.

Because if they are fully transitioned, what difference does it make? I understand that in some circumstances separation may be involved because patients need to be bathed and washed while in bed, but if they went through surgery what difference does it make?

The difference is that they have an X chromosome in every cell in their bodies. They may put on make-up, but they are men pretending to be women. And experience shows (such as in prisons) that this can have disastrous consequences.

Very true!

Sadly it IS an important issue. They way I see it, the first world had things much too easy for too long, and started inventing problems to solve out of boredom. This may be trite, yes, but if humanity can once again agree on the fundamentals of what human beings are, that is at least a step in the right direction.

Just trying to look at the bright side, if there is one.

a reply to: gortex

"Women are less susceptible to infectious diseases than men, but are more often prone to autoimmune diseases. This higher prevalence is partly attributable to the X chromosome, which has many genes relating to the immune system." - a quick Google search pulled that up.

Apart from that, different skeletal structure, different musculature, and all the things Dalamax mentioned.

So, no. OBGYN care is decidedly NOT the only consideration.


a reply to: Dalamax

Serco. If you really want to find the "conspiracy" relating to the treatment of transwomen in public hospitals, look into Serco.

Oh yay! Another thread created for the opportunity to disparage trans people and a story from TERF Island to boot!

I'll just add this here:

Study of trans women in hospitals didn’t find one single complaint: ‘None. Zilch’

The report, published by TransLucent following the submission of 102 Freedom of Information requests to NHS foundation trusts, showed that not a single problem had been raised by fellow patients about transgender women on female wards in UK hospitals.

The NHSFTs asked were in the following locations: London, Birmingham, Glasgow, Liverpool, Bristol, Newport (Wales), Sheffield, Leeds, Edinburgh, Leicester, Coventry, Bradford, Cardiff, Belfast, Nottingham, Kingston upon Hull, Newcastle upon Tyne, Stoke-on-Trent, Southampton, Derby, Portsmouth, Brighton, Plymouth, Northampton, Reading, Luton, Wolverhampton, Bolton, Aberdeen, Bournemouth, Norwich, Swindon, Milton Keynes, Southend-on-Sea, Middlesbrough, Peterborough, Sunderland, Warrington, Huddersfield, Taunton and East Kent Hospitals.

Richards said the gender-critical “women’s” organisations campaigning for single-sex spaces in hospitals claim there is a problem. “They claim they are not transphobic [but] after reading this investigative report, many, I suspect… will beg to differ.”

Women’s Single Sex Spaces in Hospitals.

Carry on as usual. I would expect nothing less.

originally posted by: AdifferentOpinion
Oh yay! Another thread created for the opportunity to disparage trans people and a story from TERF Island to boot!

I'll just add this here:

Study of trans women in hospitals didn’t find one single complaint: ‘None. Zilch’

The report, published by TransLucent following the submission of 102 Freedom of Information requests to NHS foundation trusts, showed that not a single problem had been raised by fellow patients about transgender women on female wards in UK hospitals.

The NHSFTs asked were in the following locations: London, Birmingham, Glasgow, Liverpool, Bristol, Newport (Wales), Sheffield, Leeds, Edinburgh, Leicester, Coventry, Bradford, Cardiff, Belfast, Nottingham, Kingston upon Hull, Newcastle upon Tyne, Stoke-on-Trent, Southampton, Derby, Portsmouth, Brighton, Plymouth, Northampton, Reading, Luton, Wolverhampton, Bolton, Aberdeen, Bournemouth, Norwich, Swindon, Milton Keynes, Southend-on-Sea, Middlesbrough, Peterborough, Sunderland, Warrington, Huddersfield, Taunton and East Kent Hospitals.

Richards said the gender-critical “women’s” organisations campaigning for single-sex spaces in hospitals claim there is a problem. “They claim they are not transphobic [but] after reading this investigative report, many, I suspect… will beg to differ.”

Women’s Single Sex Spaces in Hospitals.

Carry on as usual. I would expect nothing less.

Thanks for your contribution but if you feel unhappy with these threads you don't have to take part in the conversations.

The study you provided is meaningless. Imagine we conducted ourselves and made public policies based on a study or studies that could be politically motivated.

The fact is that the UK admits patients in hospital wards based on their biological sex and not 'gender identity'. Transwomen are by definition men and so they can't be in women's wards.

The claims made in the last paragraph regarding 'transphobia' are just laughable and the trabsphobia card doesn't work anymore. Women are entitled to have women only spaces which excludes by definition all men.

a reply to: Muldar

the thing is those outside terf island love the comforting lies, claims of zero cases is simply because of the way the nhs and police record the data.. in Bradford hospitals over the period of 44 months 42 rapes + 81 sexual assaults were recorded but only 10 rapes were recorded as carried out by men.. under English Welsh laws only a penis can rape so there is a gap of 32 rapes..

this is a known known hence the pivot to some talking heads on tv that some rapes are absolutely ok and totally acceptable to ensure the dignity of trans people, and some wonder why terf island is the way it is.. this is British history when Boudicca contested roman rule she was stripped flogged and her daughters raped, that in turn led to the Slaughter at Camulodunum.. rape used as a tool for control just creates an uncontrollable rage..

today we see a huge increase in rape denialists and apologists, as evidenced by the response to the brutal rape and murder of Israeli women, rape being normalised will not mean a good ending for this version of society, it'll speed up its demise.

originally posted by: TheValeyard
"Women are less susceptible to infectious diseases than men, but are more often prone to autoimmune diseases. This higher prevalence is partly attributable to the X chromosome, which has many genes relating to the immune system." - a quick Google search pulled that up.

Apart from that, different skeletal structure, different musculature, and all the things Dalamax mentioned.

So, no. OBGYN care is decidedly NOT the only consideration.


a reply to: Dalamax

As I said yesterday the member who made these claims doesn't seem to have a good understanding of matters related to biology. But that's something usual of one tries to argue on the basis of politics and activism by providing fact-free arguments and claims.

a reply to: NorthOfStuffx2

Nope.

It’s a majority issue created by a minority.

Nope , it's a majority issue created by those who don't understand why everyone isn't like them , I work in the NHS and have heard no problems caused by trans patients in my area.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: NorthOfStuffx2

Nope.

It’s a majority issue created by a minority.

Nope , it's a majority issue created by those who don't understand why everyone isn't like them , I work in the NHS and have heard no problems caused by trans patients in my area.

And your personal experience counts as what?

For me personally, this thread is an example of just how far ATS has fallen scientifically.

We used to have really advanced threads on here regarding space, science, technology, medicine, chemistry etc. And this thread now exemplifies the current standard of scientific knowledge on here.

It's pretty disappointing, but oh well. As they say... Not my circus, not my monkeys.