Hunter Biden Lawyer Withdraws

originally posted by: Threadbare
a reply to: PorkChop96

There's already precedent in another Circuit that the law in question is unconstitutional. Hunter's lawyers just need to follow the template laid out by that case. Worst case scenario for Hunter is the case gets appealed up the Supreme Court who strikes down the law nationwide.

it will be a huge win for the NRA.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Threadbare
a reply to: PorkChop96

There's already precedent in another Circuit that the law in question is unconstitutional. Hunter's lawyers just need to follow the template laid out by that case. Worst case scenario for Hunter is the case gets appealed up the Supreme Court who strikes down the law nationwide.

it will be a huge win for the NRA.

If the article below is the court case threadbare is citing, then it was deemed unconstitutional with marijuana use. I think crack coc aine use is a whole other drug issue and I don't see Biden winning on those grounds.

www.reuters.com...

a reply to: quintessentone

Cocaine is a lower schedule than marijuana.

originally posted by: Threadbare
a reply to: quintessentone

Cocaine is a lower schedule than marijuana.

Yes, I see that but I think it could be argued that marijuana has current accepted medical use, whereas crack coc aine does not. I can't imagine what his lawyer's arguments would be based on.

Schedule I

Schedule I drugs, substances, or chemicals are defined as drugs with no currently accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse. Some examples of Schedule I drugs are: heroin, lysergic acid diethylamide ('___'), marijuana (cannabis), 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (ecstasy), methaqualone, and peyote.

Schedule II

Schedule II drugs, substances, or chemicals are defined as drugs with a high potential for abuse, with use potentially leading to severe psychological or physical dependence. These drugs are also considered dangerous. Some examples of Schedule II drugs are: combination products with less than 15 milligrams of hydrocodone per dosage unit (Vicodin), coc aine, methamphetamine, methadone, hydromorphone (Dilaudid), meperidine (Demerol), oxycodone (OxyContin), fentanyl, Dexedrine, Adderall, and Ritalin

www.dea.gov...

a reply to: quintessentone

Cocaine has use as an analgesic. Compounding pharmacies will usually have some in stock.

originally posted by: Threadbare
a reply to: quintessentone

Cocaine has use as an analgesic. Compounding pharmacies will usually have some in stock.

Crack coc aine is differentiated from coc aine.

Smoking crack coc aine produces faster-acting euphoric effects, which is one of the reasons it became popular in the mid-1980s.2 As a result, in 1986, the Anti-Drug Abuse Act differentiated crack from other forms of coc aine, harshening legal consequences for possession and use of the dangerous and illegal substance.

americanaddictioncenters.org... aine-treatment/differences-with-crack

The article explains they are basically the same substance but differentiated, so it will be interesting to see how Biden's lawyer's argue this one, now considering you have proof that coc aine is used an an accepted medical drug.

My mind is changed, Biden might win the case after all but only with the right type of lawyer at the helm.

ETA:

The First Step Act of 2018, eliminated the statutory mandatory minimum sentence for simple possession of crack coc aine.

a reply to: Threadbare

We know that compounding pharmacies are not FDA approved.

Do you have sources to show that doctors can prescribe coc aine as a pain reliever? Even then, that does not change the fact that, under the current laws, coc aine use makes you ineligible to own a firearm.

Don't you think, if it was a legal and prescribed thing, Hunter would have proof of that? Whether it is receipts form pharmacies, script orders from doctors, etc.

a reply to: PorkChop96

I never said Hunter was prescribed crack. I said that in the eyes of the federal government coc aine is a less dangerous drug than marijuana.

originally posted by: PorkChop96
Hunter Biden attorney, Richard jones, has withdrawn himself from the case brought against Biden for his federal gun charges.

Probably got sick to his stomach having to defend that POS Hunter. Seriously though, we'll never know why he withdrew. That'll be swept under the rug so that Hunter can save face.

a reply to: Threadbare

Then why bring up the "fact" that "Cocaine has use as an analgesic. Compounding pharmacies will usually have some in stock."?

That doesn't change the fact that it is still an illegal drug.....

Where is the source that compound pharmacies will give you coc aine?

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: Threadbare

Hahahaha....quite a different response than when the Cheeto loses a lawyer. Seriously though, it happens all the time. I mean, if it is such an easy case why not use a PD? I mean, he is unemployed and qualifies...right?

Most of the time Trump's lawyers reveal why they left a case. And most of the times it's because they can't stand Epshteyn acting as Trump's consigliere and gatekeeper.

a reply to: PorkChop96

If the article below is the court case threadbare is citing, then it was deemed unconstitutional with marijuana use. I think crack coc aine use is a whole other drug issue and I don't see Biden winning on those grounds.

That's the post I was responding to. The federal government considers marijuana to be more dangerous than coc aine (ATS owners, fix this dumb thing.) So why would the courts treat coc aine use more harshly than marijuana?

I brought up the other stuff because people kept pushing me on the fact.

Source: Myself that worked in pharmacies for years.

a reply to: Threadbare

Where is your source saying that the "federal government considers marijuana to be more dangerous than coc aine"?

A source from Quint on this page of the thread states they are both "dangerous and have a high potential for abuse"

A self sourced opinion would not holdup in federal court. Got actual evidence to support your opinions?

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: Threadbare

Where is your source saying that the "federal government considers marijuana to be more dangerous than coc aine"?

A source from Quint on this page of the thread states they are both "dangerous and have a high potential for abuse"

A self sourced opinion would not holdup in federal court. Got actual evidence to support your opinions?

Yes they are both dangerous etc. but the court case I posted had the guy using marijuana and lying on the gun form got off because it was unconstitutional. Marijuana is listed as a Schedule I drug and coc aine and crack coc aine are listed as Schedule II drugs. Schedule II drugs are lower on the totem pole than Schedule I drugs, go figure that marijuana is considered more dangerous than crack coc aine. Looks like they have a good argument to me.

a reply to: quintessentone

"Schedule I: Drugs with no current medical use with high potential for abuse and/or addiction.
Schedule II: Drugs with some medically acceptable uses, but with high potential for abuse and/or addiction. These drugs can be obtained through prescription."

americanaddictioncenters.org...

Only difference is that schedule 1 have no current medical uses. According to the DEA and the American Addiction Center

There is no case there, they are both still federally illegal.

And, as we have bene over before, if you are an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance, you cannot own, purchase, or posses a firearm.

a reply to: PorkChop96

The federal government. Marijuana is currently considered a Schedule I drug. Meaning it is susceptible to abuse and had no medicinal benefits. It is illegal to possess in all forms.

Cocaine is considered Schedule II. It is susceptible to abuse but it has medicinal benefits. As long as you have a prescription it is legal to possess. This is the same Schedule as morphine, fentanyl, Percocet, etc. If you've ever been prescribed a pain killer and had have your ID ran, that's a Schedule II drug.

a reply to: Threadbare

Does Hunter Biden have a prescription for coc aine form a doctor?

If not, that is illegal.

See above reply to Quint

a reply to: PorkChop96

Except, in the case of marijuana, the 5th Circuit has ruled that this law is unconstitutional.

It's likely the 3rd Circuit will issue a similar ruling (if it gets that far.)

And even if they don't, the current Supreme Court would most likely rule 6-3 that the law is unconstitutional based off their previous gun laws decisions. Unless of course the Conservative judges are bought and paid for political hacks.

a reply to: PorkChop96

As is marijuana. But a federal court has ruled the law is unconstitutional in the case of marijuana. Considering coc aine is a lower schedule than marijuana, it would stand to reason a similar verdict will be forthcoming in this case.

a reply to: Threadbare

We are not talking about marijuana here genius


COCAINE is not legal to use and own, purchase, or posses a firearm.

End of story, deal with it, get over yourself.

Hunter Biden broke the law, he deserves to be treated the same as you or I would if we were addicted to coc aine and lied on the federal form to purchase a firearm and possessed it while in possession of coc aine.

Doesn't get a free "daddy pass" just because you guys on the left want him to walk.