Noahs Ark and the Biblical World Wide Flood Never Happened

originally posted by: FlyersFan

You must just be punking us ... cuz no one can be this thick headed.

Breeds are not the same as SPECIES.

Which definition of species are you going to use? There's literally thousands, no one can make up their mind because the boundaries are so arbitrary. A common definition is when two populations can't mate anymore, yet that's silly because Pugs can't mate with wolves anymore, but that doesn't mean they're a new species. Your blind zeal to trust in ScIeNtiSm and avoid critical thinking is what makes this conversation impossible.

People manipulating breeds is not the same as a species evolving on their own in the wild. Two different things. Two different timelines.

Environmental stressors play the same role in emerging various epigenetic traits, such as high altitude acclimation in humans. We all have the gene that allows us to acclimate to high altitude, but these types of genes will get more expressed for populations that are consistently living at higher altitudes such as the Himalayas.

originally posted by: cooperton
Koalas can eat food besides eucalyptus.

They NIBBLE on other food. They HAVE to have eucalyptus. It's their main diet. How many times does someone have to explain it to you. The information from the scientists who work with Koalas was posted. Read it.

There was no way for Noah to get the eucalyptus. There was no way for the Koala to get to the Middle East. The story fails.

a reply to: cooperton

"Get over it, Koalas can eat food besides eucalyptus. Your cursory google searches do not compare to real life analysis of the adaptability of animals. Even your sacred word of the internet says koalas can eat other foods than eucalyptus lol."

You have been provided with sources and evidence that Koalas will die without Eucalyptus.

So post some source or evidence that might say otherwise.

Nibbling ain't it.

originally posted by: cooperton
You claimed Noah didn't know how to build boats lol. Mostly all your claims are shoot from the hip based on nothing but a whim.

No. It's a fact. And I posted the information on ship building and that time period already. NO ONE in 2400bc could build a wooden boat half the size of the titanic. And on top of that Noah wasn't a sailor or boat builder. And on top of that, 4 men couldn't have built that boat because by the time they got done with one section, other sections would have rotted away.

The boat story is impossible.

As Oldcarpy2 posted ... it's not 'diet preference' ... it's 'diet requrement'

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

bescienced.com...

"Because koalas are so specialized in their diet, they can face serious consequences if they are deprived of eucalyptus leaves. Generally, they can only survive a few days without eucalyptus before experiencing nutritional deficiencies and dehydration. If food deprivation continues, they can suffer from liver and digestive system diseases, and ultimately, death.".

a reply to: FlyersFan

Does an Eskimo have to, need to eat whale blubber?
What would happen if he switched to a mediterranean diet overnight?
He would probably die from complications.
The same if a vegetarian from the mediterranean switched to whale blubber.

But if so community of them from each demographic switched.
The survivors would breed and populate and their digestion would improve with each generation from the genetics used to adapt would be passed on.

This is why koalas eat adult poop.
They are passing on the bacteria and digestive enzymes for their particular feed that is available from their environment.
My business partner has saved entire ostrich operations by sharing this one trick.
Most people who incubate and hatch are serious about biosecurity and the spread of manure.
Understandable of course.
But in nature if you watch newborn chick's being brooded over by an adult male you will see when the adult male poops the chick's will rush right in and devour it.
This is how they spread the digestive bacteria and enzymes to the babies.
They do not have milk to do this.

So the trick for saving anally retention biosecurity protocols in ostrich farms is to grab a handful of fresh adult male poop and plop it in front of the chicks like if it came from papa.

So when small farms change up their feed to ne brands or type and lose production initially.
It is due to the need for the flock to repropogate the bacteria necessary to digest the new feed source.


The koala adapted to get to the eucalyptis.
Without it, it would adapt.
Guaranteed.
No millions of years needed.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
No. It's a fact. And I posted the information on ship building and that time period already. NO ONE in 2400bc could build a wooden boat half the size of the titanic.

And on top of that Noah wasn't a sailor or boat builder. And on top of that, 4 men couldn't have built that boat because by the time they got done with one section, other sections would have rotted away.

The boat story is impossible.

I mean, it's not like it's saying a microbe gradually evolved into a human over subsequent generations. It's much more plausible. Old growth trees are much stronger with more resilient sap. It's not that garbage pine from home depot. People were well-aware of how to build boats around that time, even according to secular history.

originally posted by: cooperton
People were well-aware of how to build boats around that time, even according to secular history.

Not wooden ships that were half the size of the titanic.
And Noah wasn't a ship builder.
So he couldn't even build a little one.

Already posted the information on ship building skills of 2400bc.
Go read the thread.

originally posted by: cooperton
they will take it to the grave that somehow koalas are the only organism on earth that can literally only eat one type of food. This is getting tiring.

Yes .. tiring ... read the information posted.

bescienced.com...

"Because koalas are so specialized in their diet, they can face serious consequences if they are deprived of eucalyptus leaves. Generally, they can only survive a few days without eucalyptus before experiencing nutritional deficiencies and dehydration. If food deprivation continues, they can suffer from liver and digestive system diseases, and ultimately, death.".

originally posted by: FlyersFan
Source: flyersfan shooting from the hip trying his best to disprove the Bible

I'm not a 'his' ...
And it's a fact. Noah wasn't a ship builder.
Heck .. Noah didn't exist at all.
But the as the story is told .. he wasn't a ship builder.
FACTS, not me, prove this story is nothing but myth.

a reply to: FlyersFan

"Koalas like a change, too, and sometimes they will eat from other trees such as wattle, tea tree or paperbark."

link

Eucalyptus leaves aren't even dense in nutrition, they can definitely do fine without it.

a reply to: FarmerSimulation

"But in nature if you watch newborn chick's being brooded over by an adult male you will see when the adult male poops the chick's will rush right in and devour it."

Errr...Hens do that. Not Cockerels.

May your God help your farm animals

If you even have any left?

originally posted by: cooperton
"Koalas like a change, too, and sometimes they will eat from other trees such as wattle, tea tree or paperbark."
link

Sometimes nibbling on other trees is NOT the same as eating a steady diet from them.

Eucalyptus leaves aren't even dense in nutrition, they can definitely do fine without it.

No they can not.

Posted for the 6th time or so ... READ IT.

bescienced.com...

"Because koalas are so specialized in their diet, they can face serious consequences if they are deprived of eucalyptus leaves. Generally, they can only survive a few days without eucalyptus before experiencing nutritional deficiencies and dehydration. If food deprivation continues, they can suffer from liver and digestive system diseases, and ultimately, death.".

What Do Koalas Eat
Britannica Koalas
Save the Koala

a reply to: cooperton

So the sources posted that say otherwise are wrong?

And from your own link:

"The Koala is the only mammal, other than the Greater Glider and Ringtail Possum, which can survive on a diet of eucalyptus leaves. Eucalyptus leaves are very fibrous and low in nutrition, and to most animals are extremely poisonous. To cope with such a diet, nature has equipped Koalas with specialised adaptations."

Which you either didn't read or chose to ignore.

originally posted by: cooperton
a reply to: FlyersFan

"Koalas like a change, too, and sometimes they will eat from other trees such as wattle, tea tree or paperbark."

link

Eucalyptus leaves aren't even dense in nutrition, they can definitely do fine without it.

It is funny.
I haven't even taken the time to look much into it.
It is so counterintuitive to everything I know about feeding animals.
My favorite feed for poultry, ratite, cow, goat, horse, pig is the waste from making beer.
They use Barley and only extract the sugars from yeast to make beer.
Did Noah make beer?
Because if I have to follow the guidelines for feed requirements from this thread my animals would die waiting from me and I could not feed them per the costs.
As it is though it is 60% of the requirements for not just adequate but a superior feed.
Beer started in Egypt I believe, which means Ham might have known how to make beer since HE FOUNDED EGYPT, mwahahaha

a reply to: FarmerSimulation

Actually, the oldest evidence of beer production dates back to ancient Mesopotamia not Egypt.

Which would be in present-day Iraq.

Where the Sumerians began brewing beer around 4000 BCE.

en.wikipedia.org...

As to "Ham" finding Egypt, it was never lost.

The ancient Egyptian civilisation emerged along the Nile River over thousands of years, evolving from various prehistoric cultures.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: cooperton

So the sources posted that say otherwise are wrong?

And from your own link:

"The Koala is the only mammal, other than the Greater Glider and Ringtail Possum, which can survive on a diet of eucalyptus leaves. Eucalyptus leaves are very fibrous and low in nutrition, and to most animals are extremely poisonous. To cope with such a diet, nature has equipped Koalas with specialised adaptations."

Which you either didn't read or chose to ignore.

As wrong as the info provided on ostrich feed requirements most likely.
Ostrich do not survive on lizards and snakes.
In fact they do not need them.
They are micronutrients sources and rarely found, caught and eaten in any environment let alone the vast expanse of the Serengeti desert.
So far I have read nothing of value from the self imposed feed requirements you guys have supplied as polemics for the Ark and its requirements.
How many animals eat the others poop in not just famines but naturally?
As unappetizing as that is.
The truth of the matter most large ani.als, especially mammals do not fully digest their food.
And animals like chickens and pigs thrive on it

a reply to: FarmerSimulation

Unfortunately for you, apart from your chickens and pigs, Noah's Lions, Tigers, Cheetahs, Leopard's, Elephants, Rhinos, Hippos, Giraffes, Wildebeests, Buffaloes, Wolves, and thousands of others would not have survived on poop.

Probably like what might be left of your poor farm animals.

May your God forgive you.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: FarmerSimulation

Actually, the oldest evidence of beer production dates back to ancient Mesopotamia not Egypt.

Which would be in present-day Iraq.

Where the Sumerians began brewing beer around 4000 BCE.

en.wikipedia.org...

As to "Ham" finding Egypt, it was never lost.

The ancient Egyptian civilisation emerged along the Nile River over thousands of years, evolving from various prehistoric cultures.

We do not accept Wikipedia here as a valid source.
And the definition of "finding" v"founded" are not synonymous.
You used 1 to few Google searches to formulate your last post.

Which allows one more, mwahahaha.
I said "founded".
You said "finding".
Ham is most likely Horus

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: FarmerSimulation

Unfortunately for you, apart from your chickens and pigs, Noah's Lions, Tigers, Cheetahs, Leopard's, Elephants, Rhinos, Hippos, Giraffes, Wildebeests, Buffaloes, Wolves, and thousands of others would not have survived on poop.

Probably like what might be left of your poor farm animals.

May your God forgive you.

But my point is valid.
An awfully lot of animals do eat poop for nutrition.
Their systems are set up for it.
And alot of large animals do not digest a lot of their food, like horses.