Noahs Ark and the Biblical World Wide Flood Never Happened

a reply to: WakeUpBeer

If the big fellow is as omnipotent as claimed then i can't see why he would require arks or hardening a man or animal's heart's considering the implications.

Bye'bye Nephilim, and whatever else he does not want.

Snap.

Thy will be done, problem solved.

No need for magic 440ft long magic TARDIS boats or mass genocide and global deluge.

a reply to: andy06shake

Oh I agree.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: WakeUpBeer

If the big fellow is as omnipotent as claimed then i can't see why he would require arks or hardening a man or animal's heart's considering the implications.

Bye'bye Nephilim, and whatever else he does not want.

Snap.

That's a big impediment on free will though. The parable of the owner of the vineyard shows that he did leave us in charge for the most part.

originally posted by: cooperton
But even so, there are plenty of ways to obtain food when surrounded by fish.

May as well use the God card there too, though.

I can't imagine fishing would be easy, or if there would even be anything to fish, considering the size of the deluge and stormy waters likely full of debris. (As has been talked about in one of these flood threads).

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer

May as well use the God card there too, though.

I can't imagine fishing would be easy, or if there would even be anything to fish, considering the size of the deluge and stormy waters likely full of debris. (As has been talked about in one of these flood threads).

I did the math and all the biomass on the planet wouldn't even be 1% of the volume of water that would be present on the earth. Sure there would be murky regions, but a vast majority would be clean enough for fish to inhabit.

a reply to: cooperton

LoL

Once again animals generally cannot survive without water for an extended period. And water is essential for various physiological functions in animals, including digestion, circulation, temperature regulation, and waste elimination.

Without an adequate water supply, animals would experience dehydration, leading to severe health issues and, eventually, death.

So jump through as many silly hoops as you please whilst performing your mental gymnastics.

However the vast majority of the animals on board your magic sex boat year-long tour.

Will indeed require clean water every day to go along with their food sources else they simply perish.

I'm off to bed now, it being near 1 am, have fun ATS.

And daft discussions aside you take care cooperton and all the best.

a reply to: cooperton

Yeah, I read your posts on all that. Personally, I'm not convinced.

I personally don't think the story needs to be taken as literally as it is, and there is more likely symbolic reasons for 2x2 (for example), but that's just me.

a reply to: WakeUpBeer

Apparently, just 5 Bluefin Tuna a day to feed 2 pairs of 5000 animals, is all that is required to sustain them.

Not even fresh water mind you, just 5 Bluefin Tuna a day.

NIght'night ATS.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: cooperton

LoL

Once again animals generally cannot survive without water for an extended period. And water is essential for various physiological functions in animals, including digestion, circulation, temperature regulation, and waste elimination.

raw food is mostly water

And daft discussions aside you take care cooperton and all the best.

Rest up, all the best!

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
a reply to: cooperton

Yeah, I read your posts on all that. Personally, I'm not convinced.

I personally don't think the story needs to be taken as literally as it is, and there is more likely symbolic reasons for 2x2 (for example), but that's just me.

Originally I was expecting to lean towards the gnostic telling of the flood, where Noah "entered a luminous state" along with the other chosen to avail through the catastrophe. But after finding the necessary waters for such a flood underneath the crust of the earth, fish fossils on all mountain ranges, consistencies among the various culture's depiction of the global flood, and erratic boulders existing in places beyond the theorized glacial zone, I began to take the orthodox flood story seriously.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: WakeUpBeer

Apparently, just 5 Bluefin Tuna a day to feed 2 pairs of 5000 animals, is all that is required to sustain them.

Not even fresh water mind you, just 5 Bluefin Tuna a day.

NIght'night ATS.

5 bluefin tuna is about 1.5 million calories lol, it's kind of crazy. Those things are huge.

a reply to: cooperton

All well and good, although I don't usually agree with the conclusions you come to from the things you post.

When looking at other Deluge myths and legends, how do you reconcile earlier ones with the Biblical one? Meaning, shouldn't earlier tellings be closer to the truth?

If the Epic of Gilgamesh came before Noah's Ark, wouldn't it make more sense to argue for the accuracy of the former rather than the later?

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
a reply to: cooperton

All well and good, although I don't usually agree with the conclusions you come to from the things you post.

When looking at other Deluge myths and legends, how do you reconcile earlier ones with the Biblical one? Meaning, shouldn't earlier tellings be closer to the truth?

If the Epic of Gilgamesh came before Noah's Ark, wouldn't it make more sense to argue for the accuracy of the former rather than the later?

The Epic of Gilgamesh also says to bring the animals into the boat. There are differences between the accounts but they are idiosyncratic. The flood was global and the boat in Gilgamesh's epic was to "preserve the seed of all living creatures."

Perhaps they were more advanced than even I think, if they were living to almost a thousand years old they may have had abilities beyond our current comprehension. I like to think people before the flood were all similarly capable to Jesus's abilities to manipulate matter and so on.

a reply to: cooperton

That doesn't answer the question though.

Wouldn't the story closest in time to the event be more accurate?

originally posted by: cooperton
5 bluefin tuna is about 1.5 million calories lol, it's kind of crazy. Those things are huge.

Not when you actually think about how many animals you have to feed.

Just 2 elephants would consume almost 10% of that, 70k calories per day per elephant.

Also, pulling 1.2 tons of fish from the water means the people are going to be consuming a lot more calories than some person typing in a cubicle.

Your answers are just so weak.

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
a reply to: cooperton

That doesn't answer the question though.

Wouldn't the story closest in time to the event be more accurate?

It would definitely add to the probability yeah. I think the Sumerian account tries too hard to describe the indescribable, whereas in Genesis it just simplifies it, knowing that a lot of the details would just be even more confusing to the post-flood human brain.

originally posted by: daskakik
Not when you actually think about how many animals you have to feed.

Just 2 elephants would consume almost 10% of that, 70k calories per day per elephant.

Also, pulling 1.2 tons of fish from the water means the people are going to be consuming a lot more calories than some person typing in a cubicle.

Your answers are just so weak.

It is rare to see you go through a post without a spicy ad hominem. I'm impressed by the consistent resentment exhibited in your replies.

Regardless, a mouse only need 10 calories per day, and there's plenty of small animals that cancel out the needs of the bigger ones. Given that the average animal would require around 500 calories, 1.5 million total calories would be close to sufficient. 10 bluefin tuna and we're all set.

a reply to: cooperton

But now you find yourself having to pick and choose what you leave in and what you leave out. Because the account in Genesis says nothing about Enki, or Ishtar for example.

Seems more likely to me the early Israelites repurposed the myth from the cultures they lived in/around, for their own developing beliefs.

a reply to: cooperton
Critiquing your answers is not an ad hom.

The small animals don't cancel out the needs of the bigger ones, they just add a smaller amount to the total.

Lions, tigers, bears, komodo dragons, alligators, crocs, etc.

And what of the herbivores and don't try that dumb garden on the ark card, cause that is even weaker than the 5 bluefin tuna answer.

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
a reply to: cooperton

But now you find yourself having to pick and choose what you leave in and what you leave out. Because the account in Genesis says nothing about Enki, or Ishtar for example.

Seems more likely to me the early Israelites repurposed the myth from the cultures they lived in/around, for their own developing beliefs.

The differences in perspective though tell us that it was a true event. The Israelites say it was God, whereas the Sumerians say it was a legion of gods who were actually upset that anyone survived at all. If they were merely copying the story they wouldn't have these differences in perspective. That to me shows it is not just a diffusion of myth.