Noahs Ark and the Biblical World Wide Flood Never Happened

Ron Wyatt claims are 'ABSURD' and 'FALL INTO THE CATEGORY OF TRASH' - Source

Joe Zias, the former Curator of Archaeology and Anthropology for the Israel Antiquities Authority said, “Mr. Ron Wyatt is neither an archaeologist nor has he ever carried out a legally licensed excavation in Israel or Jerusalem…We are aware of his claims which border on the absurd as they have no scientific basis whatsoever nor have they ever been published in a professional journal. They fall into the category of trash which one finds in tabloids such as the National Enquirer, Sun etc. It’s amazing that anyone would believe them.

Ron Wyatt is a FRAUD. Proven fraud. He discovered nothing. He was an anesthetist who made wild claims of finding just about every major artifact that could exist. He claimed visions of Jesus told him where everything was. Israel issued a statement about him saying that he wasn't an archeologist and that he has never had any permits to dig in Israel. DEBUNKED years ago.

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The Noahs Ark flood was supposedly approximately 2345 B.C. The following Links give the basics of each of the Ancient Egyptian Dynasties of that era and their approximate time periods. No break in their cultures during the alleged Noahs Ark time period. Not before and not afterwards either. Plenty of people and entire 'dynasties' during a time when only a handful of people speaking the language of Noah were supposedly on the planet. Oh ... and the artifacts are all in the same language so the 'the world all spoke one language before the Tower of Babel' is proven false too, but that's the topic for another thread.

The Fourth Dynasty of Ancient Egypt

2613 BC–ca. 2494 BC - The Fourth Dynasty of ancient Egypt (notated Dynasty IV) is characterized as a "golden age" of the Old Kingdom of Egypt. Dynasty IV lasted from c. 2613 to 2494 BC.[1] It was a time of peace and prosperity as well as one during which trade with other countries is documented.

The Fifth Dynasty of Ancient Egypt

The Fifth Dynasty pharaohs reigned for approximately 150 years, from the early 25th century BC until the mid 24th century BC.

The Sixth Dynasty of Ancient Egypt

2345 BC–c. 2181 BC - The Sixth Dynasty of ancient Egypt (notated Dynasty VI), along with the Third, Fourth and Fifth Dynasty, constitutes the Old Kingdom of Dynastic Egypt.

The Seventh Dynasty of Ancient Egypt

 2181 BC

The Eighth Dynasty of Ancient Egypt

2181 BC–ca. 2160 BC - The Eighth Dynasty of ancient Egypt (Dynasty VIII) is a poorly known and short-lived line of pharaohs reigning in rapid succession in the early 22nd century BC, likely with their seat of power in Memphis.

The Ninth Dynasty of Ancient Egypt

2160 BC–c. 2130 BC - The Ninth Dynasty of ancient Egypt (Dynasty IX) is often combined with the 7th, 8th, 10th and early 11th Dynasties under the group title First Intermediate Period.

The Tenth Dynasty of Ancient Egypt

2130 BC–ca. 2040 BC - The Tenth Dynasty of ancient Egypt (Dynasty X) is often combined with the 7th, 8th, 9th and early 11th Dynasties under the group title First Intermediate Period

Egypts 11th Dynasty

The Eleventh Dynasty of ancient Egypt (notated Dynasty XI; c. 2150 BC – c. 1991 BC) is a well-attested group of rulers. Its earlier members before Pharaoh Mentuhotep II are grouped with the four preceding dynasties to form the First Intermediate Period, whereas the later members are considered part of the Middle Kingdom. They all ruled from Thebes in Upper Egypt.

The Twelfth Dynasy of Ancient Egypt

The chronology of the Twelfth Dynasty is the most stable of any period before the New Kingdom. The Turin Royal Canon gives 213 years (1991–1778 BC).

The Noahs Ark flood was supposedly approximately 2345 B.C. Lets see what was going on in China during this time period.

Emperor Yao
2356 – 2255 BCE are the accepted dates for him.

He went on to become mythological in stature becoming demi-gods in Chinese tradition. During Emperor Yao's reign it is recorded that there were great floods. The rivers overflowed and there was great destruction. But they survived and the culture went on.

Then came the Xia Dynasty 2100–1600 B.C.E
PLENTY of Chinese people around to create a dynasty and a whole people to rule over.

During this time, there is archeological and historical evidence of the Longshan culture flourishing in north-east China. 3000 BCE - c. 1700 BCE. READ HERE .

The Longshan culture developed from the early Dawenkou tradition, also in Shandong province, from around 3000 BCE, and would then replace the well-established Yangshao culture in northern and central China. By the first quarter of the 2nd millennium BCE the Longshan culture, after experiencing some centuries of population decline for as yet unknown reasons, began to evolve into the Bronze age culture which would eventually form the Shang dynasty (c. 1600-1046 BCE).

The frequent raised mounds within the walls at Longshan settlements and the presence of dwellings outside its perimeter suggest that only the elite residences were thus protected. At the even larger site of Taosi, which dates to 2600-2000 BCE, the wall encloses some 2.8 million square metres. Taosi includes cave and semi-subterranean dwellings, as well as a wall-enclosed cemetery. Although all tombs are located in the same ground, they indicate at least three distinct social levels.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

Ron Wyatt did NOT find Noahs Ark

Doesn't matter who found the Ark. The fact is that it is there, exactly where the Bible said it would be. Matches the length exactly, with anchors, rivets, and petrified wood.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
The Noahs Ark flood was supposedly approximately 2345 B.C. The following Links give the basics of each of the Ancient Egyptian Dynasties of that era and their approximate time periods.

Yeah you said there was clear evidence, what specifically is the clear evidence for these claims made in the wikipedia article that Egyptian rule follows that chronology? Empirical evidence is what should do the talking, not just 'expert' opinion.

The fact is that it is there, exactly where the Bible said it would be.

The fact is that it's just a natural rock formation.

Matches the length exactly, with anchors, rivets, and petrified wood.

The so called 'anchors' are local rocks, not from where Noah would have been from.
And the so called 'petrified wood' is Ron Wyatts fake claim. Debunked.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
Empirical evidence is what should do the talking, not just 'expert' opinion.

You are kidding, right? EXPERT OPINION based on ARTIFACTS and STUDY of the INFORMATION. You know ... actual real science and archeology. And no need to put the word expert in quotes. It's actual EXPERTS .. those who have studied the field, studied how to interpret results and artifacts, those who have experience on the ground and with the information and artifacts. EXPERTS. Not amateur keyboard typists on an internet site like ATS.

Noahs Ark Was NOT Found in Turkey

Actual scientists and experts in the field - Debunks all the claims
Fact Check Was Noahs Ark Found in Turkey

The initial investigation of the site found no evidence of Noah's Ark or any ark. It reported that the object of interest appeared to be nothing more than a natural formation. However, a number of scientific-sounding articles nonetheless still tout findings supported by "visual evidence." They also mentioned "ground-penetrating radar" and laboratory analysis of "artifacts retrieved from the ark." These purportedly documented the presence of Noah's Ark at the Durupinar site.

However, geologists from Andrew A. Snelling of "Answers in Genesis" to Lorence G. Collins of California State University Northridge's Department of Geological Sciences have debunked the notion of the Durupinar site as containing anything more than a completely natural geologic rock formation. The former, particularly, has published a point-by-point refutation of numerous claims made about the site. It was summarized briefly as follows:

READ THE LINK AT TOP TO SEE THE POINT BY POINT DEBUNK BY ACTUAL EXPERTS

More actual scientists and archeologists debunk the claim the ark was found
NBC News -Noahs Ark NOT Found

Is there any evidence of a catastrophic flood that rose to near the top of Ararat 4,800 years ago?

"We know what's going on with Turkey archaeologically at that time, and there's no major interruption in the culture," Zimansky observed.

"There's not enough H2O in the world to get an ark that high up a mountain," Kuniholm said.

The Christian Science Monitor quotes another ark-hunter, Randall Price, as saying he feared that "proper analysis may show this to be a hoax and negatively reflect how gullible Christians can be." The Monitor cited a leaked e-mail, attributed to Price, suggesting that Kurdish men could have trucked wood up the mountain to stage an elaborate hoax for the Chinese-Turkish team.

So-called 'anchor stones' are just local rocks

A geological investigation of samples from the stones, published by geologist Lorence G. Collins in co-authorship with their original discoverer David Fasold, suggested that they are formed of local rock and thus unlikely to have been transported to the site from Mesopotamia, the Ark's supposed place of origin. Similar stones are found throughout ancient Armenia, and are recognised to be pagan "holy stones" converted to Christian use (many are found in Christian cemeteries) by the addition of crosses and other Christian symbols

They seem to find petrified books and 300 million years old cast iron cups these days. They'll blow your mind with anything.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
You are kidding, right? EXPERT OPINION based on ARTIFACTS and STUDY of the INFORMATION. You know ... actual real science and archeology. And no need to put the word expert in quotes. It's actual EXPERTS .. those who have studied the field, studied how to interpret results and artifacts, those who have experience on the ground and with the information and artifacts. EXPERTS. Not amateur keyboard typists on an internet site like ATS.

For being experts they sure change their mind a lot. What is the empirical evidence to support their dating of the Egyptian dynasties? You said it was clear so let's see it.

originally posted by: cooperton
What is the empirical evidence to support their dating of the Egyptian dynasties? You said it was clear so let's see it.

Are you kidding? You want an 8 year doctorate level college degree posted for you to learn? The EXPERTS in the field - Egyptology, archeology, history and science have seen the artifacts, seen the information, been to the sites, gone through the evidence, and dated the history of Egypt. They know what they are doing. You do not. I'm not going to post artifact by artifact, course book by course book, for you to try to understand. You are being absurd.

The information is clear. There was no break in Egypts history. The country flourished.

a reply to: FlyersFan

So many things are clear.

I'm not going to argue whether the Ark sailed that amount of years ago. This place sucks, that's all and I like to believe it's not for nothing.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

Are you kidding? You want an 8 year doctorate level college degree posted for you to learn? The EXPERTS in the field - Egyptology, archeology, history and science have seen the artifacts, seen the information, been to the sites, gone through the evidence, and dated the history of Egypt. They know what they are doing. You do not. I'm not going to post artifact by artifact, course book by course book, for you to try to understand. You are being absurd.

The information is clear. There was no break in Egypts history. The country flourished.

Sounds so complicated it must be true! [/sarc]

Meanwhile, there's corroborating evidence where 4 different cultures around the world separated by oceans and continents give the same approximate date in the 23rd century BC for the global flood. All primary documents too, so we don't have to rely on the experts making decisions for us. We can see for ourselves:

We know the date of the flood according to the Hebrews thanks to ample clues in the Biblical writing:




The Hebrew date of 2,304 BC matches closely with the Chinese global flood date:




We can also estimate the date of the global flood as told in the Epic of Gilgamesh. In this Mesopotamian account of the global flood, Gilgamesh was said to have slain the celestial bull


(terra cotta image estimated from between 2,250 - 1,900BC)

The celestial bull is a clear reference to the constellation Taurus. slaying the celestial bull is an allusion to the end of the age of Taurus, which occurred around 2,300BC. This matches the Hebrew account.



The Peruvian global flood account was also recorded by the Incan Historian Fernando de Montesinos to have occurred around 340 years prior to the conclusion of the second sun in 1,957 BC, which is 2,297 BC according to the Gregorian Calendar source. Again, this is very close to the Hebrew, Mesopotamian and Chinese date for the global flood. Even better, all this evidence comes from unambiguous empirical documents.

I just wanna add this tidbit. I always thought it was strange to frequently find seashells while shooting and blowing stuff up in the middle of Nebraska. Along with all sorts of fossils. We are the most landlocked state of the US, after all... To suggest a great flood never happened seems silly. Climate change is a part of Earth's history for millennia and beyond. Keep in mind we're still technically in an ice age. It's only a matter of time until things change drastically.

There is also Burckle Crater in the Indian ocean who is believed to be an asteroid or comet impact dating back 5000 years (Close to the great flood dates), it is about 29km in diameter and could have caused a Mega Tsunami in the region, there is also the Younger Dryas impact theory dated at about 12,850 years

There is a chance that the biblical great flood is linked to an astronomical event that hit the oceans that we might not know about yet.

originally posted by: cooperton
Sounds so complicated it must be true! [/sarc]

So you are going to ignore actual real science, real archeology, real history all proving that there was no break in the Egyptian history? Pick and choose only that which agrees with your religious beliefs, eh?

Meanwhile, there's corroborating evidence where 4 different cultures around the world separated by oceans and continents give the same approximate date in the 23rd century BC for the global flood.

So what? Different cultures have different flood myths. NONE match the Noahs Ark story. Regional floods, yes. Global flood wiping out every except 8 middle eastern people and a boat load of animals, no.

we don't have to rely on the experts making decisions for us. We can see for ourselves:

The EXPERTS, thousands upon thousands of highly educated people who know what they are taking about, all agree that the flood did not happen. There was no break in Egyptian, Indian or Chinese history. There was no Noahs Ark flood. There have been regional floods through human history, but no 'one world wide flood' bringing humanity down to just 8 people and a boat load of animals floating around for nearly a year and wiping out all of creation.

originally posted by: sine.nomine
I always thought it was strange to frequently find seashells while shooting and blowing stuff up in the middle of Nebraska. Along with all sorts of fossils. We are the most landlocked state of the US, after all...

I found ocean fossils in the middle of Canada at a quarry.
Land masses have shifted and plate tectonics happen.
Shells in the middle of the country do not equate to a world wide flood.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Real science and what not have been so wrong so often, especially when it comes to history. Most of the time it's guessing.

a reply to: FlyersFan

You're so off track with that post you make no sense anymore.

originally posted by: Untun
a reply to: FlyersFan

You're so off track with that post you make no sense anymore.

I think she was doing an impersonation of AOC with that explanation?

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
I think she was doing an impersonation of AOC with that explanation?

AOC is an idiot.
I was quoting actual science.
Land masses shift with plate tectonics.
That's how ocean fossils millions of years old are found on mountains.
Get an education. read here

originally posted by: Untun
You're so off track with that post you make no sense anymore.

Plate tectonics isn't 'off track'. It's basic science.
Britannica for kids - read here
There ... a link to a KIDS page at Britannnica explaining the basics of plate tectonics.
It makes perfect sense. Perhaps the link will help educate you.