Noahs Ark and the Biblical World Wide Flood Never Happened

Watering the Animals - More proof Noahs Flood Didn't Happen

Each animal would have to be provided with sufficient fresh water each day. If we say that watering an animal took only 20 seconds then that gives us 88 human-hours of work watering animals per day.

More problematic would be the source of the water itself.

If the flood waters were used, some method of purification would be needed to remove the silt, salt, and other high concentrations of toxins. Distillation would require a tremendous quantity of fuel and labour. Filtering it through sand would be painfully slow and would require tons upon tons of sand weighing a minimum of 90 pounds per cubic foot[15] The sand would then have to be changed periodically due to mineral buildup. Solar distillation would require sunlight, which would be lacking for the first forty days of rains, and vast surface areas for water to evaporate and condense. Chemical purification and boiling, ignoring the impossible logistics, would do nothing to diminish the toxic levels of minerals. No matter the purification method, a method to move thousands of gallons per day, from the waterline to upper levels, would be needed.

Storing water from before the flood would have been even more absurd. Assume that at least 100 of the animals had at a minimum the water requirements of a goat. A goat requires more than two gallons of water per day to survive.[16] Water weighs about eight pounds per gallon. For these 100 animals alone, 200 gallons of water would be needed each day, weighing in excess of 1600 pounds. To last 376 days, 75,200 gallons, weighing almost eighty tons would have to be brought aboard and stored, without compromising the buoyancy and stability of the Ark — for just these 100 animals.

It is conceivable that a system of ducts could have captured rainwater and watered the animals for the first forty days of heavy rains. However, the problem remains that 336 days of water would need to be stored, purified, and/or captured. Only by heavy, regular rains would this be conceivable, which of course contradicts the statement that the rains stopped on the fortieth day.

How did Noah get a years supply of ants for the ant eating animals and where did he keep them and what did he feed them? How did Noah catch a year supply of ants for each animal anyways?

28 Species of Animals That Eat Ants Click Here

A years supply of fresh healthy ants for each of those animals ... two of each kind ... how'd Noah catch those ants and where did he store them and what did he feed them?

what about the insect eaters? How did Noah get a years supply of insects for each of them and where did he keep the insects and what did he feed them to keep them alive and fresh.

Some - not all - Animals that eat Insects

Anteater
Armadillo
Star-nosed mole
Gecko
Moorish gecko
Little owl
Indiana Bat
Common toad
Praying mantis
Ladybug
Moonrat
Web-footed tenrect
Gray flycatcher
Dragonfly
Sugar glider

Insects enough for a whole year ... fresh healthy insects ... for each animal. How did Noah catch them? Where did he keep them? How did he keep them alive? What did he feed the insects since there were no other insects for them to eat and no plants for them to eat either.

How did the Koalas and Kangaroos get from Australia to the Middle East?
How did Noah get a years worth of Euchalyptus and keep it fresh to feed the Koalas?

Eucalyptus Facts

What Do Koalas Eat
Britannica Koalas
Save the Koala

Their main diet is Eucalyptus. They can not live without it. One to two pounds of eucalyptus leaves per day. On occasion they will nibble on bark, but that is not their diet.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
How did the Koalas and Kangaroos get from Australia to the Middle East?
How did Noah get a years worth of Euchalyptus and keep it fresh to feed the Koalas?

Eucalyptus Facts

What Do Koalas Eat
Britannica Koalas
Save the Koala

Their main diet is Eucalyptus. They can not live without it. One to two pounds of eucalyptus leaves per day. On occasion they will nibble on bark, but that is not their diet.

Up early on the Lord's day trying to defame His word?

Thankfully Koalas can eat other foods which destroys your whole point. And also, geographically the earth was likely vastly different before the flood.

a reply to: cooperton

"Their main diet is Eucalyptus. They can not live without it."

Which part of that are you not understanding?

Noah had to have a years supply of food and water for each animal. Fruit, veggies and meat do not last that long. Pandas HAVE TO have bamboo. Noah couldn't get that. Koalas HAVE TO have eucalyptus. Noah couldn't get that. AYE-AYE only eat insects. Did Noah have a years supply of insects for both Aye-Aye? The Ostrich has to eat gravel in it's diet or it dies. Did Noah have a years supply of gravel on the ark for both ostrich. Giant Anteaters eat only termites and ants. Did Noah have a room full of ants and termites for them? Same with Pangolins. And what did the termites eat ... the ark? The star nosed mole only eats worms, insects, and other small invertebrates that they find in the soil. Did Noah have a supply of this in the ark? The hoatzin eats only flowers and leaves. How did Noah keep a fresh supply of flowers for a year on the ark? The walrus eats only clams, snails, and other mollusks. How did Noah keep a fresh years supply of those on the ark? The platypus eats only aquatic insects, crustaceans, and mollusks. How did Noah keep a fresh years supply of those on the ark? Snail kites are found in South America and eat only apple snails from that area. Did Noah go to South America and get a years supply of apple snails for the Snail Kites to eat? How did he keep those snails alive for a year on the ark? Monarch butterflies eat nectar. Did Noah have flowering plants on the ark for the butterflies? But as caterpillars, they only eat the leaves of the toxic milkweed plant. Did he have a years supply of milkweed plants and how did he keep them fresh? Black-footed ferrets will only eat prairie dogs. Did Noah have a years supply of prairie dogs on the ark and how did he keep all those prairie dogs alive for a year? The pen-tailed treeshrew of Thailand and Indonesia only drinks the naturally fermented nectar of the bertam palm. How the heck did Noah pull off having Bertram palm trees on the ark and keep them alive? Did he go to Thailand and get some ahead of time? Deep-keeled flamingo eat plankton and algae, and filter with water through their beaks. How did Noah pull that off? And of course we have BEES - who need fresh flowers. Did Noah have a meadow of flowers on the ark to keep alive like a hot house or something? The Northern Shrike has to have spiney plants to stick insects on to eat. It only eats parts of the insect and has to have the plants. Did Noah have those plants on board and how did he keep them alive, and enough insects for the birds for a year? The leafcutter ant has to have fresh leaves to cut and add it's saliva to in order to make the fungus that it eats. Did Noah have years supply of FRESH leaves for the ants? How?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: cooperton

"Their main diet is Eucalyptus. They can not live without it."

Which part of that are you not understanding?

They can eat other foods, which part of that are you not understanding? They're not just going to starve to death because they're not getting their favorite food. There could also be a eucalyptus tree on the deck of the ark

Noah and his sons couldn't have built the ark In the time limits the Bible says they had. IMPOSSIBLE. Besides .. they didn't know how to build boats either.

The Noahs Ark Myth Makes No Sense According to Science

That’s a massive ship, obviously. And it needed to be. Its purpose was to accommodate two members of every single species on the planet—millions of animals, plants, and fungi. The interiors had to be build accordingly. The task was more monumental than building any of the known wonders of the world, especially since wonders took many hundreds of years to build with thousands upon thousands of people working on it. For the ark, four people had to build it in less than a century, according to Genesis. Noah and his three sons supposedly built it in 82 years. Four people. To build a structure comparable in complexity and scale as the Pyramids of Egypt.

Even if thousands collaborated to build the massive structure, 82 years is still both a long and a short time to effectively finish the task. It’s too short because the ship is so big and complex and gathering the materials alone would have taken many decades, that it’s hard to believe it took less than half a millennium. And it’s too long because, as is usually the problem in wood shipbuilding, by the time the later layers of the ark were placed, the earlier wooden pieces would’ve rotten away already.

Lots more at this site. Including that ships of wood couldn't be made that large. They would have been torn apart by their own weight. The question of why did people go back to simple canoes and simple ships if they had all that ship building knowledge? It just disappeared? At least 8 million species of animals, meaning around 20 million animals, would have to have fit on the ship, and they couldn't. No tangible traces of this incredible even were left behind. It all disappeared. Species re-evolved to their current state as if nothing had happened in just a little while. The seas receded without leaving a scar.

TOO FEW GENES - Second, all animals, humans included, require genetic variation to survive. Human genes were reduced to just the lineage of Noah and his wife—a single line. The same for all other animals, if we take the tale literally. That’s absurd. All in all, conservation experts estimate that it takes a minimum of 50 organisms of a single lineage for it to survive, depending on the species. And even that is debatable. 50 leaves no room for error; if only a few were to die, say, by hitting their head after violent winds rocked the ark (which must’ve happened), then that’s that. And that’s with 50. Two is simply impossible. In fact, many biologists argue we’d need around 150 specimens to account for minor incidents—and far more to account for severe situations.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
Noah had to have a years supply of food and water for each animal.

We've been over this. There are plenty of fish in the sea to feed most of the animals. When eating raw food you won't get dehydrated because it naturally contains high amounts of water (cooking dehydrates foods). Seeds and other types of non-perishing foods could have been used for the animals that would refuse to eat fish.

Carob fruit for example can easily preserve for over a year.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
they didn't know how to build boats either.

Why do you suppose they didn't know how to build boats? You can learn a lot of skills in 400 years of life

a reply to: cooperton

They. Can. Not. Live. Without.It.

Got that?

One-rwo. pounds of leaves per day.

A tree, you say?

Pull the other leg... it's got bells on!

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: cooperton

They. Can. Not. Live. Without.It.

Got that?

One-rwo. pounds of leaves per day.

A tree, you say?

Pull the other leg... it's got bells on!

Even if that's true, which it is likely not since they are known to eat other foods, there could easily have been a eucalyptus tree on the deck of the ark.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
How did the ostriches get from Africa to the Middle East? How did Noah get a full years supply of seeds, roots, grasses, insects, rodents and lizards to feed the ostriches did Noah keep those rodents and lizards alive and fresh for the ostriches?

How would Noah have taken care of the ostriches? He didn't know them and wouldn't have known what they eat. And even if he did know what they ate, how did he get a years supply of African seeds, roots, grasses and insects to feed them? And how did he keep those fresh for a year?

Noah would have known NOTHING about ostriches. He would not have known that they require GRAVEL to be included into their diet. The ostriches would have died from neglect because Noah wouldn't have known to take a year supply of gravel on board the boat or each ostrich.

The reson they need gravel is because they have a gizzard, which is how they grind up their food because they haven't any teeth. From there the food goes into a fermentation stomach to be further broken down.
The gravel remains in the gizzard which is a big muscle.
The ostrich does not eat and digest gravel.
The gravel remains for the next meal and so on.
Ostrich are native to Israel.
If not they travel easily 40 miles a day anyway and could make the trip from N. Africa.
They are also drought and famine tolerant.
During the covid shutdown my birds ate alfalfa exclusively and they kept weight and thrived producing eggs and chick's with well formed eggs.
The lizards and snakes they can and do eat are very rare for them to find.
It is not a staple in their diet.
During normal times we feed them spent brewers grain and alfalfa as their base diet and their feather and egg quality as well as weight is more than adequate if not stellar.

Ostrich can eat a lot of things.
Amazing and durable animal.

The problem with Google is once you use it you think you know something when you do not.
Knowing is in the doing.
The problem you would ACTUALLY have is in transport and stress.
They stress and can shut down.
I would transport day old to 3 month old chicks if it were me because they stress less in transport. But the adults are more drought and famine tolerant so it is a trade off.
Emu would travel well as they love and produce in wet and stormy weather.
I would say from experience ratites would be easy to feed and procure for.
They eat just about anything.

Most of your examples for how to provide food sources for different animals from your Google search for diets completely ignore basic nutrition needs in place for localized preferences.
It is like saying you could not have survived a year plus on the boat because they did not have a years supply of peanut m&m's for you being it is your favorite.
An ostrich would eat your shoe if it could get it down its gullet.
For addition, the ostrich has the best immune system of any animal in the world.
The antidote for most problems incorporated from long term confinement could have been provided from the ostrich eggs.
When I have animals sick I feed them ostrich eggs.
Now what I did was take a logical fallacy, one of many, and chose the low hanging fruit to exemplify your redundant claims as frivolous attempts to divert actual dialogue in a thread you refuse to engage in or even think about honestly

originally posted by: FarmerSimulation
The reson they need gravel is because they have a gizzard, which is how they grind up their food because they haven't any teeth. From there the food goes into a fermentation stomach to be further broken down.
The gravel remains in the gizzard which is a big muscle.
The ostrich does not eat and digest gravel.
The gravel remains for the next meal and so on.
Ostrich are native to Israel.
If not they travel easily 40 miles a day anyway and could make the trip from N. Africa.
They are also drought and famine tolerant.
During the covid shutdown my birds ate alfalfa exclusively and they kept weight and thrived producing eggs and chick's with well formed eggs.
The lizards and snakes they can and do eat are very rare for them to find.
It is not a staple in their diet.
During normal times we feed them spent brewers grain and alfalfa as their base diet and their feather and egg quality as well as weight is more than adequate if not stellar.

Ostrich can eat a lot of things.
Amazing and durable animal.

The problem with Google is once you use it you think you know something when you do not.
Knowing is in the doing.
The problem you would ACTUALLY have is in transport and stress.
They stress and can shut down.
I would transport day old to 3 month old chicks if it were me because they stress less in transport. But the adults are more drought and famine tolerant so it is a trade off.
Emu would travel well as they love and produce in wet and stormy weather.
I would say from experience ratites would be easy to feed and procure for.
They eat just about anything.

Most of your examples for how to provide food sources for different animals from your Google search for diets completely ignore basic nutrition needs in place for localized preferences.
It is like saying you could not have survived a year plus on the boat because they did not have a years supply of peanut m&m's for you being it is your favorite.
An ostrich would eat your shoe if it could get it down its gullet.
For addition, the ostrich has the best immune system of any animal in the world.
The antidote for most problems incorporated from long term confinement could have been provided from the ostrich eggs.
When I have animals sick I feed them ostrich eggs.
Now what I did was take a logical fallacy, one of many, and chose the low hanging fruit to exemplify your redundant claims as frivolous attempts to divert actual dialogue in a thread you refuse to engage in or even think about honestly

It is good to have these points reinforced by an actual farmer, thank you. I didn't even think of all the eggs and milk that would be produced on the ark, another good point.

Flyersfan is also strongly rejecting God's ability to make things happen. If he can cue the animals to go to the ark, He could also have very easily cued all sorts of other serendipitous occurrences that would have ensured the logistic possibility of this boat ride. Using the pine resin for pitch, and the old growth trees for lumber would have meant this was apex quality material, not some trash home depot pine that you can literally chew through. I've used old-growth acacia wood and I was literally able to drive a forklift over a 1.5" thick piece of it like a ramp. Old growth trees are some crazy strong stuff.

a reply to: cooperton

Do you have a source? It's been shown to you that they can't live without it.

An inconvenient truth?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: cooperton

Do you have a source? It's been shown to you that they can't live without it.

An inconvenient truth?

Show me a dead koala that refused to eat anything besides eucalyptus. Otherwise, like Farmersimulation said (a real farmer), animals can eat foods beyond what they prefer.

a reply to: FarmerSimulation

Ostrich are native to Israel?!!!!

No, they are not. So I really can't take anything you say seriously:


birdfact.com...

a reply to: cooperton

Is there even a koala that refused to eat eucalyptus? You want me to show you a dead one?!!!!

Does that poster farm Koalas?

He also thinks Ostrich are native to Israel so I ll take his "expertise" with a large pinch of salt.

Yours, too.

originally posted by: cooperton
Thankfully Koalas can eat other foods which destroys your whole point.

WRONG. They 'nibble' on other foods. They HAVE TO HAVE eucalyptus to survive. It's their main diet.

And also, geographically the earth was likely vastly different before the flood.

WRONG. the geography of the planet is the same today as it was 2400BC.

originally posted by: cooperton
They're not just going to starve to death because they're not getting their favorite food.

It's not just their 'favorite food'. It's what their systems need in order to survive.

There could also be a eucalyptus tree on the deck of the ark

Noah couldn't have gotten eucalyptus trees from Australia. And even if he transported them from Australia he couldn't have planted them on the deck of the ship.

You are just making up crap.
The koalas and kangaroos prove there was no noahs flood.