Noahs Ark and the Biblical World Wide Flood Never Happened

originally posted by: GoShredAK
Whether he is a fraud or not is up for debate.

No it's really not.

I'm curious, do you believe Ron Wyatt is correct ...

No. As the information I provided shows, he was a proven fraud.
ANYTHING he says is automatically dismissed due to his
proven lies.

For crying out loud, he claimed visions of angels and of Jesus Himself
dressed as the founder of the Seventh Day Adventists. Pffffft.

originally posted by: GoShredAK
Sodom and Gomorrah? How do you explain Those brimstones?

Start a thread on it if you want. This is Noahs Ark.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Either Jesus didn't actually say those words and scripture is wrong or Jesus got it wrong or Jesus was just using a reference that the listeners could understand when He was making a point. But it in no way confirms a flood.

Again a big nope, he was in heaven watching it all, he knew the truth of that reality.
To be a Christian we need to accept Jesus words in the bible, which God protected for us, so we have an opportunity to pick his side.

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

and yet there was no flood and no ark.

Would you like to explain how it is that the Greenland Ice Shelf is intact when it should have been destroyed if there had been that flood? Would you like to explain how 8 million animals, their one year of food supply, and their one year of fresh water supply fit on the ark? Would you like to explain how anyone is alive today when the flood would have killed the entire planet and all plant life would have been destroyed, and all fresh waters destroyed, and all oceans destroyed ... killing everyone even those on the ark? You can start with those. There are many more questions along the same level that need to be answered.

a reply to: FlyersFan

God didn't tell the story of Noahs Ark. People did.

Why would an almighty God allow any fictional story (that only becomes ridiculous
if it's fiction) in scripture? Your argument makes zero sense I'm sorry. Do you even
realize you're marginalizing an all powerful God? So much for your belief system.
Or maybe you just claim to have one since that's what it looks like. Science phfff!

Are you kidding me? You don't even understand how science goes out the window
when God is involved. It's kind of amuzing but I guess I need your education to
take it seriously.

originally posted by: Saloon
Why would an almighty God allow any fictional story (that only becomes ridiculous
if it's fiction) in scripture?

That's God's business. Ask Him. Not me. It's there. It didn't happen.

Why does God allow the Quran to exist? Its a load of garbage that is all
attributed to Him and is defended to the death on the basis that it is
supposedly God's holy book.


Care to answer the ON TOPIC question - how did all 8 million animals,
their one year food supply, their one year fresh water supply all fit
on the ark?

a reply to: FlyersFan

Care to answer the ON TOPIC question - how did all 8 million animals,
their one year food supply, their one year fresh water supply all fit
on the ark?

That's Gods business ask him. It's a very serious story about a very serious God
and how he judged the pre duluvian world. The only thing I need to do is
believe it. No questions asked so you want to know? You ask him.

originally posted by: Saloon
That's Gods business ask him.

It's part of the decernment process to use your head and ask in order to separate the true from the false. And it's a good question. How did all 8 million animals, their one year food supply, their one year fresh water supply all fit on the ark?

The only thing I need to do is believe it. No questions asked

Yikes.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
a reply to: Blue_Jay33

and yet there was no flood and no ark.

Would you like to explain how it is that the Greenland Ice Shelf is intact when it should have been destroyed if there had been that flood? Would you like to explain how 8 million animals, their one year of food supply, and their one year of fresh water supply fit on the ark? Would you like to explain how anyone is alive today when the flood would have killed the entire planet and all plant life would have been destroyed, and all fresh waters destroyed, and all oceans destroyed ... killing everyone even those on the ark? You can start with those. There are many more questions along the same level that need to be answered.

I don't need to, because I have faith in the bible account, obviously there were some miraculous things that went on that the bible doesn't relate, that defy nature and common sense. I don't worry about it, like you do.

I have more important considerations right now, as one earthly system was wiped out, so will ours be, but the planet will remain; cleansed as it was during Noah's time and there will be survivors just like Noah and his family, instead of only a few there will be millions of survivors.
Instead of worrying so much about the past, because you can't fully understand it, think about how you will survive what Jesus foretold, the end of the present world systems.

Matthew 24:3

As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, his disciples came to him privately and said, "Tell us, when will this happen? What will be the sign that you are coming again, and when will the world come to an end?"

Later in the same chapter he references the flood as we already discussed.

Actually the story is 40 days/40 nights. Any animal can live 40 days no food, and the rain water can be used for drinking. Especially in times of extreme crisis /trauma animals and humans can go a very long time w no food just water. So there's your full year food explained. Now as far as a flood yes archeological/scientific evidence has proven that at 1 time Mt everest was completely under sea water. They discovered microorganisms in the rocks at the top of everest that are only under sea water. Look at the region around the eye of the Sahara and there's clear evidence of a huge tsunami coming from the northeastern region reshaping the earth in wave like forms. Both of those have documentaries about if you Google enough. Now as far as the story goes every culture from India Buddhism to Eskimo to Samoa islanders to Hopi Indians to Aztecs to Aboriginal Tribes have handed down stories of a worldwide flood covering the earth. How can all these cultures that have ZERO contact w each other all tell same story. And Greenland ice shelf? You know what they discovered in Greenland as ice has melted dye to global warming? Ruins of Viking Farming. At one time Vikings actively farmed a fertile land void of ice. The earth goes through natural heating and cooling cycles. The rest of the story needs to be taken with faith. Did Noah build a huge ark? Maybe/maybe not. Maybe it was smaller maybe it was exaggerated a bit, maybe he didn't have EVERY SINGLE ANIMAL, maybe some survived... or maybe it's all 100% true correct and was the result of DIVINE INTERVENTION. Believe what you want, I've seen enough proof in my years to believe in an All powerful God Almighty. Believe what you want I believe the story....




a reply to: FlyersFan

a reply to: FlyersFan

And, there it is. You will not answer my question about if you believe the account of Jesus taking on our sins, dying on the cross and being resurrected on the third day. ANY Believer I have every encountered has joyfully proclaimed their belief, their joy at having Jesus as their saviour and they are so very grateful. You state that it is a personal question and not relevant to the topic. Of course it's relevant. Everything to do with the Bible points to Jesus.

By denying the flood you have denied the purpose of why God caused the flood, the bloodlines that made it through Noah, etc, etc.

You are the fraud here. You're practically denying Jesus at this point.

You are denying the truth of the Bible. You are leading people astray. The devil works in very sneaky, manipulative and false ways.

originally posted by: Jersey Devil
Actually the story is 40 days/40 nights.

That's how long it rained. They were on the boat for many more months after that waiting for the water to recede.

Any animal can live 40 days no food, and the rain water can be used for drinking. Especially in times of extreme crisis /trauma animals and humans can go a very long time w no food just water. So there's your full year food explained.

No it's not explained. The rain stops after 40 days so what about all the coming months? How did 8 million animals, one year of food, and one year of fresh water fit on the boat.

Now as far as a flood yes archeological/scientific evidence has proven that at 1 time Mt everest was completely under sea water. They discovered microorganisms in the rocks at the top of everest that are only under sea water.

Plate techtonics. The sea fossils on top of Mt. Everest are millions of years old, not 4,000.

Look at the region around the eye of the Sahara and there's clear evidence of a huge tsunami coming from the northeastern region reshaping the earth in wave like forms. Both of those have documentaries about if you Google enough.

Is this supposed Sahara flood from 4,000 years ago?

Now as far as the story goes every culture from India Buddhism to Eskimo to Samoa islanders to Hopi Indians to Aztecs to Aboriginal Tribes have handed down stories of a worldwide flood covering the earth. How can all these cultures that have ZERO contact w each other all tell same story.

Not the same story. Flood stories but not the same story. They have flood stories because floods and rain and water are a common element.

And Greenland ice shelf? You know what they discovered in Greenland as ice has melted dye to global warming? Ruins of Viking Farming. At one time Vikings actively farmed a fertile land void of ice. The earth goes through natural heating and cooling cycles.

The oldest known ice in that shelf is 1,000,000 years old. It wouldn't be there if there was a flood.
Click here

The rest of the story needs to be taken with faith.

The story doesn't work. The science disproves it. And let's say it did happen ... there is no evidence of it left behind. Wiped clean as if it didn't happen. Sorry ... it's just a story and can't be taken at face value.

originally posted by: Whatchful
You will not answer my question about if you believe the account of Jesus taking on our sins, dying on the cross and being resurrected on the third day. blah blah blah

... because you are OFF TOPIC.
My faith is irrelevant to the discussion of Noahs Ark being a true story or not.
I won't allow the thread to be derailed into off topic personal discussions.

Answer the ON TOPIC question - how did 8 million animals, their one year of food supply, their one year of fresh water supply, fit into the ark?

a reply to: Kratos77

I am curious if you have ever read the entire account of why Israelite's wandered the desert for 40 years before entering into the promise land?

A metaphor is all it is at most, and more likely a land claim. Timeline needs reworking too..

Are you familiar with Israel Finklestein? He's a Archaeologist that is also Jewish, but really iconoclastic and critical of "archaeotheology", or using archaelogy to substantiate theology. So with him, it's science first, and then see where it all lines up.

This is about 8 years old, but worth reading...

www.discovermagazine.com...

There, archaeologists had dated the earliest settlements of the Hebrews — recognized by the lack of pig bones, reflecting their pork taboo — to perhaps the 13th century B.C. Had these people really been slaves in Egypt, returning as invaders as Yadin put forth? Finkelstein found otherwise. Instead of an invasion, the archaeological evidence revealed a gradual evolution from a pastoral to an agricultural society. “There was no violent event, no entry from the outside, not one suggestion of the Exodus. The Hebrews were the Canaanites, who had never left.

There's tons of incongruity.

The timeline of The New Kingdom of Egypt for one. Did they have control in that region through the 10th century?
Did Moses even exist around 1250 BCE?
Did Solomon exist when dated or at all?
What happened in that 300-500 years between that earliest Hebrew settlements, the Merneptah Stele, and when the early scripture started to appear?

If you accept the biblical timeline on faith, you could be throwing actual history out of kilter for centuries. If the gates at Megiddo were built during Solomon’s reign between 970 and 931 B.C., then any structures found in layers directly above those gates are bound to be ninth century B.C.; structures buried directly below the gates would, de facto, be 11th century B.C., and so on. Because the accepted historical timeline hinges on just one Bible passage, our concept of what happened — and when — could be completely off.

The first anchor, closer to the bottom of the tel and more distant in time, was a vast, wrecked city swept away by a regionwide collapse of society at the end of the Bronze Age, in the 12th century B.C. The second anchor, some 400 years later and today sitting on the surface of the tel, was a city built by the Assyrians after their well-documented invasion in the eighth century B.C.

Four sequential cities with indeterminate dates were sandwiched between: Right on top of the Bronze Age destruction was a cosmopolitan world that represented the last of Canaanite culture, called the “red brick city,” which burned to the ground. Above that Canaanite city was a crude slum. Higher still, Finkelstein could see a monumental city with two ashlar palaces. And directly above that (and right under the Assyrians) sat a chariot city with stables for horses. Inside these four layers, Finkelstein would seek the kings.

For boosters of David and Solomon, things did not look good. Even Yadin agreed the stables were built by the northern kingdom of Israel long after Solomon had roamed the Earth. And Harvard scientists dated an assemblage of nearby pots on the same level as the ashlar palaces to the ninth century B.C., a hundred years after the kings were said to reign, leaving the duo with the slum above the Canaanites’ red brick city, if that. Truth be told, the Bible’s great builder, the storied King Solomon, might have no earthly footprint inside the tel. That “would change the entire understanding of the history of Israel,” Finkelstein wrote inLevant.

IMO, they only needed time to split off from the Canaanite (Phoenicians) and take 40-500 years to come up with an alternate "chosen" history to make themselves more important and rightful to control that land than the Egyptians, Canaanites, and Assyrians..

As that article points out, there is no archaelogical evidence that there was ever any Exodus, which is likely why the Geography IS ALL OFF too. Also apparently no evidence of Solomon, unless he occupied a slum between Canaanite and Assyrian rule.

So does the 31% get to speak for the 69%?

a reply to: Degradation33
Above all the Christian religion respects the belief of other religions. If you choose to not believe or follow the beliefs of Christians then that is fine with us, we respect that.
Rogan had some guests on his show that explained the great flood and it was very compelling. Maybe someone has it and can post it, none the less we can all agree that many things don't add up that's why we call it faith.

a reply to: Degradation33

So does the 31% get to speak for the 69%?

I don't see that happening anywhere do you? Here's what I do see
from my own personal highly uneducated analysis. I see no other
man crucified by the Romans in total obscurity to mans historicity.
No other name brought submission to the very empire that judged,
mocked, whipped crucified and murdered him. The name Jesus
Christ is the only name refferenced when speaking to "The year of
our Lord".

I assure you there are reasons for these wonders you were likely
taught to ignore if anything at all. How does it so happen that a
man who should of died and stayed in total obscurity end up with
most of the world believing in him? Unless.... He was who he said
he was. The OP is a perfect example of educated deception over
common sense.

Why would God or anyone put something as unbelievable as The Ark
in a message he expects to be taken seriously? The problem is people
just don't get it. If God says this is what happened and some stupid
human has a question about it.

That's where the eyebrow rises for me right there. Done deal.
God did it that's why he said it I believe it. Because he's God
not science not the OP not Ceasar not no one but God.

Creator of the universe can't put animals on a friggen ark!
How is that reasonable?

a reply to: FlyersFan

Man your digging deep to try to "prove" this didn't happen. So much in fact that I just stumbled on this, saw 10 pages didn't read it all but looks like you responded to every single response. The Devil tries hard to spread his lies and evil ways....

There's no way of knowing exactly how many days it was afloat. Again you can't argue SCIENCE! yet have zero proof to back up your science claim. Nobody knows how long it was afloat. Concensus says roughly 5 months enter to exit of ark. Again stories can be exaggerated. Was it a tsunami that covered everything but receded quickly? Yeah it could be afloat 5 months could also be 40 days and land was exposed buy they just were so far at sea nothing was seen. I wasn't there you weren't there and no scholar was there to write it in stone. Again it's a story passed through generations and ZERO science can prove or even disprove its length of time or magnitude of what was covered. You can argue plate tectonics scientifically but has that proven that the highest point on earth came from deepest part of ocean pushed up by plate tectonics? Stretching it there again trying to argue science that can't be proven only SPECULATED. ZERO PROOF plate tectonics created Mt Everest. I love when people use science to disprove religion yet that same science can't support their own hypothesis. An NO those stories aren't "flood stories" they are World Wide Cataclysmic flood stories even going so far as to say in Samoan belief one family survived on back of a giant sea turtle for those months. And "Science" can't even prove the world is 1 million years old let alone an ice shelf. It can hypothesize, it can speculate, it can use human made tests that are inaccurate to estimate but it CANNOT PROVE IT. So all your scientific "proof" can't prove a single thing. Lol. It CANNOT disprove the story nor can it prove it other than the stated microorganisms in the rocks. Now since this IS ATS, ill throw a curve in here for all you conspiracy theorists. The Bible does not say who or what God is. It simply states we were made in his image. To say God may be an extraterrestrial entity does NOT dismiss the Bible or its beliefs. We can still be made in His image. To say the Ark was really a wood boat who knows but would it be wrong to say it could be a giant space ship floating that entire time housing all of life as we know it until the earth could be rebuilt? Does it go against Christianity to say that absolutely NOT. Does your Science now prove Noah's story of a great flood and all life on earth being taken aboard an "Ark" didn't happen? Lol. Didn't think so. Your Science can't prove either angle. Even funnier to see you now explain your science on the Ark being a space ship. Please proceed this will be entertaining.....

a reply to: Saloon

But what if Brahman is the creator of the universe, and it is cyclical and undergoes cycles called yugas? Totally different timeline. What if Brahman is actually correct. Maybe it's Madza?

What REALLY says Yahweh is superior to Brahman when both are just ideas two different cultures wrote down?

Even apologetically, only myopia prevents one from acknowledging other divine concepts are equal to their own..

I just want to check if you're capable of acknowledging you are one of many equal god concepts.

Could you agree with a statement like:

God is a universal idea of form or formlessness that permeates our societies as a unifying principle or catalyst for everything we experience. Even though it is without phenomenal existence, it often inspires words to get written about it. With each subjective variation having noticeable differences.

The fallability is man trying to describe the perpetually nebulous. It may not be a question of God, but the absolute validity (or truth) in those inspired words.

Keep in mind here the story of Elijah ascending to heaven taken up in the sky by a fiery horse and chariot. Is it against Christian belief to think that was a craft of some sort he was taken aboard? Why can't story of Noah and flood be also?

a reply to: Degradation33

I just want to check if you're capable of acknowledging that.

Alright if you're referring to near sightedness just a few floaters here.
But here's what I do acknowledge.

Jesus Christ is just about as huge as you can get if looking for differences.
No imagination needed. Surely you've heard Jesus saves? Have you ever heard
a heroin addict say Brahman turned my life around? How about Mohammad.

My good person go look at you tube and the countless stories of people
saved by Christ. And that's not even the end of it.

Did Mohammad ever claim to be devine?
Buddha? No and he may have pointed to Christ.

No other God sent a savior to defeat Satan death and hell for us.

In the form of a beautiful little baby. Think about it! That's what a God
would be capable of absolutely.

And it's the coolest story you could ever imagine if you think about it.

Big huge difference from the rest, Jesus Christ.
Change the word religion to God

a reply to: Saloon


AMEN Brother!