Noahs Ark and the Biblical World Wide Flood Never Happened

a reply to: pthena

Kinda high and wide, there.

Its in man's hands. Man isn't perfect. It could fall into the wrong hands. Or not.

Any advancement might 'fall into the wrong hands'.

Cavemen could have asked the same about fire, or the wheel.

originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
Nope, Noah's Flood did happen.
Many posters have already showed how, I am not going back into it.

No, posters have not shown how it happened.
The science and history show it did not happen.
No one has even remotely tried to dispute the facts.
They can't.
Wanna' give it a try? Dispute the fact that 8 million animals can't fit on the ark.
Full sized, reproducing, eating and pooping and pee'ing animals. Show how they fit.
And show how all their food and water fit too.
If you can dispute that, we'll go onto the next fact that you can try to dispute ...
It's only been 4,000 years since the supposed flood. So why is there so much
ethnic and genetic diversity amongst humans if everyone came from three sets
of reproducing humans in the Middle East only 4,000 years ago. We'll do that next.
But start with the animals fitting ...

The only reason somebody is trying to dispute the flood is that they are trying to deny God's existence

Wrong. I never once tried to deny God exists. I believe God exists.

and Jesus testimony that references the flood for our day, as it makes out the flood as warning for us today.

There is a scripture quote claiming Jesus referenced the flood when He was teaching. That is not proof of a flood. Matthew was written 70 years after Jesus died. Either Jesus didn't actually say those words and scripture is wrong or Jesus got it wrong or Jesus was just using a reference that the listeners could understand when He was making a point. But it in no way confirms a flood. There was no flood.

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

Exactly. You saved me having to explain that.


By the way, Flyers Fan (not to you Blue_Jay), Ron Wyatt was no fraud. He was a man of God and he loved Jesus with all his heart. He led people to Jesus, which shows his heart. He has/had video evidence which proves Biblical accounts.

You are leading people away from Jesus by denying Biblical accounts.

We are so close to end times - I implore you to humble yourself before God and ask Him the right thing to do, to open your heart.

originally posted by: Whatchful
Ron Wyatt was no fraud.

He was a fraud. I gave the information. Obviously you didn't bother to look at it.
Even those who had worked with him have denounced his 'work' as untrue.
He faked visions from Jesus dressed as the founder of the Seventh Day Adventists.
Even Israel says he isn't an archeologist and had no permits to dig in their country.
Total and complete fraud.

You are leading people away from Jesus by denying Biblical accounts.

I am stating the truth. Just because something is written in the Bible doesn't mean it's literal truth and from God. And obviously the Noahs Ark story is not literal truth and is not from God. You have not bothered to address any of the facts presented that prove it is not literal truth. You have six pages of scientific and mathematical facts proving Noahs Ark and the world wide flood did not happen. Prove the facts wrong.

For anyone who actually believes the hoaxer Ron Wyatt

Fake News in Biblical Archaeology

a) Ron Wyatt was not an archaeologist (he was a nurse anesthetist). This, in and of itself does not mean that he could not make a discovery. Many archaeological digs have volunteers helping them; some of these volunteers even make important discoveries. The interpretation of the discovery is done by trained archaeologists, however. One archaeologist has said archaeology is 10% excavation and 90% interpretation. Ron Wyatt had no training to interpret the discoveries he says he made.

b) Ron Wyatt was never carried out a systematic excavation that was licensed by the Israeli government. Joe Zias, the former Curator of Archaeology and Anthropology for the Israel Antiquities Authority said, “Mr. Ron Wyatt is neither an archaeologist nor has he ever carried out a legally licensed excavation in Israel or Jerusalem…We are aware of his claims which border on the absurd as they have no scientific basis whatsoever nor have they ever been published in a professional journal. They fall into the category of trash which one finds in tabloids such as the National Enquirer, Sun etc. It’s amazing that anyone would believe them.”2

c) Ron Wyatt never published any of his supposed finds in a peer-reviewed archaeological journal. Publishing something in your own newsletter or on your own website does not pass the checks-and-balances peer-review. Dr. Scott Stripling, the Director of Excavations at Shiloh, led by the Associates for Biblical Research, says that the goal of archaeology is not excavation, but publication.

d) Ron Wyatt never made any of his supposed discoveries available for trained archaeologists to examine.

e) Ron Wyatt never adequately addressed inconsistencies in some of his stories, such as how he discovered the supposed chariot wheels at a depth of 200 feet using scuba equipment designed for depths of 125-130 feet.

f) Marine biologist, Dr. Robert Carter has pointed out numerous problems identifying the coral-encrusted structures Ron Wyatt found as chariot wheels, including the fact that “many species of coral will grow a large, flat plate on a stalk-like projection, giving the appearance of an axle and wheel to those not accustomed to coral growth forms.”3

f) People, like respected geologist John Baumgartner, who knew Ron Wyatt and worked closely with him, have testified that he was dishonest with his discoveries, misrepresented the views of others, and intentionally deceived people.

The list of fantastical discoveries should, in and of itself, raise questions about any discovery Ron Wyatt claimed to have made. This didn’t stop his “discovery” of chariot wheels spreading. It has been repeated in articles and books and documentaries though. In actual fact, Ron Wyatt’s work has universally debunked by respected archaeologists and scholars. In fact, even two ministers in his own denomination (Seven Day Adventist) wrote an entire book called, “Holy Relics or Revelation: Examining the claims of Ron Wyatt” and concluded that his work was largely a hoax.

The reality is that the Associates for Biblical Research (www.BibleArchaeology.org), a group of Christian archaeologists and scholars who are dedicated to demonstrating the historical reliability of Scripture, often promote the findings of other archaeologists who have made legitimate discoveries in a controlled archaeological excavation. The reason they do not promote Ron Wyatt’s work has nothing to do with professional jealousy; it has everything to do his unsubstantiated, unscholarly, and, quite possibly, fraudulent claims.

Ron Wyatt Fake Vision of Jesus

Elsewhere Wyatt claimed that an angel prohibited him from providing the details of his phenomenal discovery! (HRR, 70, 90, 285). There also were other accounts of angelic appearances and even a claim of seeing Christ (HRR, 127ff).

Incidentally, the reason Wyatt knew he saw Jesus was because the Lord "was dressed exactly as Ellen White"

Incidentally, the reason Wyatt knew he saw Jesus was because the Lord “was dressed exactly as Ellen White saw Him in vision, with the blue border at the hem of his garment”! Ellen White was the founder of the SDA church.

Ron Wyatt Honest or Deceitful Fraud? - Read Here About His Blood of Jesus Hoax

From a Pro-Christian Site Named 'Evidence for Christianity' - Advice Against Believing Ron Wyatt

Question:

I heard about discovery of Jesus’ blood on the ark of covenant by Ryan Watt. He concluded they found Jesus’ blood ….when they tested this blood the results were that Jesus’ blood is still alive today, and it has 24 chromosomes: 23 from his mother and 1 from the Holy Spirit which proves the virgin birth. The 23 chromosomes helps to form a baby and the father’s chromosomes decides gender of a baby, But Watt claims in Jesus’ blood they found an extra chromosome. Is this discovery of Jesus’ blood reliable? If not …why not? Also, I saw a recent you tube channel which also concluded Jesus’ blood is still alive. Is this true? What do you say sir?

Answer:

I assume you mean Ron Wyatt. Unfortunately this man is a completely unreliable witness. He has been known to fake data, the use pictures from out of context–to flat out lie. He has done this again and again. He is a charlatan and a self-serving self-promoter, and Christians would do well to not use any of his material. We need to learn to be more discerning and to ask hard questions of those who make claims, even when they seem to support Christian belief. A good rule of thumb on claims by Christians or anyone else: If it is too good to be true, then it is probably too good to be true! This certainly applies to this totally bogus claim about finding actual blood of Jesus!

I have a personal friend who confronted Wyatt face-to-face. He asked him how he could write such obviously false claims. His response (paraphrased), “I have to make money somehow.” I strongly urge you to not use Wyatt’s material and if you have published anything on line, you should take it down and perhaps apologize for putting out unreliable material.

Why is this claim not reliable? First of all, because the person making the claim is a know repeat liar and charlatan. Also, because the idea that the blood of Jesus could be found, or that it could have been preserved for nearly two thousand years is absolutely absurd. The DNA in blood degrades within a few days except in extremely rare circumstances, none of which would ever apply to the blood of Jesus. Again, I strongly advise you to be more skeptical (although you did the right thing to send the question!)

a reply to: Untun
But it isn't logical if you then have to make the animals sleep, which wouldn't have fit in the ark described anyway, to not eat or poop.

If it has the power to say "let there be light" and create the universe, why can't they just say, "let there be no evil"?

Because the story is made up, just like other myths around the world. You have no problem believing those are made up.

Ron Wyatt did NOT find Noahs Ark, Noahs Grave, nor Mrs. Noahs grave.
He's a fraud.

"One of the greatest frauds the field of biblical archeology has ever seen"

Rapture Ready - Was Ron Wyatt an Archeological Fraud

FAQ :: Was Ron Wyatt an archeological fraud?
Amateur archeologist Ron Wyatt is known for making sensational claims regarding alleged discoveries of biblical sites and artifacts. His claims were so fanciful and plentiful, it would seem logical to ask Ron if he had yet unearthed Jesus’ High School diploma. Wyatt most bizarre discovery has to be when he claimed to have found the blood of Christ and a DNA analysis of that blood indicates Christ was born of a virgin. (Wyatt died in 1999 of natural causes.)Here are some more of his supposed amazing discoveries: The true site of the crucifixion; the Ark of the Covenant; the true Mount Sinai (with a plaque announcing it as such); the site of Korah’s earthquake; the true site of the Israelites’ Red Sea crossing also with a marker “built by King Solomon” as a memorial; Chariot wheels from Pharaoh’s drowned army; the actual rock Moses struck to release water; the ashen remains of Sodom and Gomorrah; Noah’s Ark; Noah’s grave; Noah’s house; Mrs. Noah’s grave; Moses’ stone tablets containing the Ten Commandments, held together with golden hinges.

Although it took several years for reality to set in, most Christian ministries finally disavowed Wyatt’s work. The only true believers remaining are ones who continue to financially benefit from promoting his videos.

Ron was either a fabricator or he was delusional, but whatever the case may be, he was clearly one of the greatest frauds the field of Bible prophecy has ever seen. Wyatt’s years of research may amount to nothing more than garbage, however, he did help prove that some Christians are unlimited in their gullibility.

a reply to: FlyersFan

I did look at it. I do my research thoroughly and it has proven, to me, that Ron Wyatt is no fraud. I was already aware that there are claims he is a fraud. Doesn't make it so though.

Wow, I'd say you're on a mission to disprove him. You seem very angry about Ron Wyatt. Maybe because the spirit of God is not within you and you are setting out to deceive believers or potential new believers.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Six pages of false information.

The Bible is the inherent word of God - Holy Spirit led.

Sure, yes, it has been translated over time, but we are talking words changed, eliminated, not entire false books. There is absolute and undeniable truth of the flood.

I prayed for you last night and will continue to do so. Meant in all genuineness.

originally posted by: Whatchful
it has proven, to me, that Ron Wyatt is no fraud.

The entire scientific and biblical communities disagree with you.
The country of Israel disagrees with you.
His own church disagrees with you.
Those who worked along side Wyatt disagree with you.

Wow, I'd say you're on a mission to disprove him. You seem very angry about Ron Wyatt. Maybe because the spirit of God is not within you and you are setting out to deceive believers or potential new believers.

You are the one doing the deceiving. Ron Wyatt is a fraud.
His claims are ridiculous and have been easily debunked.

Ron Wyatt claims are 'ABSURD' and 'FALL INTO THE CATEGORY OF TRASH' - Source

Joe Zias, the former Curator of Archaeology and Anthropology for the Israel Antiquities Authority said, “Mr. Ron Wyatt is neither an archaeologist nor has he ever carried out a legally licensed excavation in Israel or Jerusalem…We are aware of his claims which border on the absurd as they have no scientific basis whatsoever nor have they ever been published in a professional journal. They fall into the category of trash which one finds in tabloids such as the National Enquirer, Sun etc. It’s amazing that anyone would believe them.

originally posted by: Whatchful
Six pages of false information.

Six page of scientific fact. NONE of it has been proven false by you. Answer the question - how did 8 million animals, their years supply of food, and their years supply of fresh water all fit on the ark?

a reply to: FlyersFan

I can only laugh at this point. How ridiculous. I don't answer to anyone but Father God. One day both you and I will know the truth. Whatever God says is all I care about. Not some man. Not false facts.

Question: do you believe Jesus died on the cross, took on all sins, rose from the dead on the third day and now sits beside God?

Take care.

originally posted by: Whatchful
I can only laugh at this point. How ridiculous. I don't answer to anyone but Father God.

The TOPIC of this thread is the facts surrounding the alleged world wide flood and Noahs ark. You come on preaching but refuse to actually discuss the facts as presented. Answer the question - how did 8 million animals, their one year of food supply, and their one year of fresh water supply, fit on the ark? That's not 'false facts'. That's reality.

Whatever God says is all I care about. Not some man. Not false facts.

The facts presented are not 'false facts'. They are science and math. You were invited to debunk them. You refuse. Because you can't.

It wasn't God who told the Noahs Ark story. It was MEN. Hebrew men who took the earlier pagan story of Giglimesh and reworked it to fit their monotheistic religion. It's a man made story. Not a God made story.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Nah, nonsense. The Ark existed, was made as per the instructions God gave, the flood happened and here we are today.

I deal with facts, I also deal with the supernatural. The Bible is the inspired Holy Spirit led word of God.

By the way, you didn't answer my question.

Because you missed it, I'll ask it again: Question: do you believe Jesus died on the cross, took on all sins, rose from the dead on the third day and now sits beside God?

originally posted by: Whatchful
The Ark existed, was made as per the instructions God gave, the flood happened and here we are today

If the flood had happened as the Bible says, we would NOT be here today because the Earth would be dead and incapable of supporting life. Also humans wouldn't have had time to repopulate the Earth to 8 billion people from just 8 people in 4,000 years.

I deal with facts

Apparently not. You have been invited to debunk the six pages of scientific and mathematical facts yet you refuse to address them and falsely call them fake.

By the way, you didn't answer my question.

Because it's off topic. My personal religious beliefs are irrelevant on this thread.

Answer my ON TOPIC question based on scientific fact - how did 8 million animals, their one year of food supply, and their one year of fresh water supply, supposedly fit on the ark?

nvm

originally posted by: Whatchful
a reply to: FlyersFan

Nah, nonsense. The Ark existed, was made as per the instructions God gave, the flood happened and here we are today.

I deal with facts, I also deal with the supernatural. The Bible is the inspired Holy Spirit led word of God.

By the way, you didn't answer my question.

Because you missed it, I'll ask it again: Question: do you believe Jesus died on the cross, took on all sins, rose from the dead on the third day and now sits beside God?

I do.

And this video has strong evidence contrary to the op. Noahs ark is real and has been found.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
Ron Wyatt did NOT find Noahs Ark, Noahs Grave, nor Mrs. Noahs grave.
He's a fraud.

"One of the greatest frauds the field of biblical archeology has ever seen"

Rapture Ready - Was Ron Wyatt an Archeological Fraud

FAQ :: Was Ron Wyatt an archeological fraud?
Amateur archeologist Ron Wyatt is known for making sensational claims regarding alleged discoveries of biblical sites and artifacts. His claims were so fanciful and plentiful, it would seem logical to ask Ron if he had yet unearthed Jesus’ High School diploma. Wyatt most bizarre discovery has to be when he claimed to have found the blood of Christ and a DNA analysis of that blood indicates Christ was born of a virgin. (Wyatt died in 1999 of natural causes.)Here are some more of his supposed amazing discoveries: The true site of the crucifixion; the Ark of the Covenant; the true Mount Sinai (with a plaque announcing it as such); the site of Korah’s earthquake; the true site of the Israelites’ Red Sea crossing also with a marker “built by King Solomon” as a memorial; Chariot wheels from Pharaoh’s drowned army; the actual rock Moses struck to release water; the ashen remains of Sodom and Gomorrah; Noah’s Ark; Noah’s grave; Noah’s house; Mrs. Noah’s grave; Moses’ stone tablets containing the Ten Commandments, held together with golden hinges.

Although it took several years for reality to set in, most Christian ministries finally disavowed Wyatt’s work. The only true believers remaining are ones who continue to financially benefit from promoting his videos.

Ron was either a fabricator or he was delusional, but whatever the case may be, he was clearly one of the greatest frauds the field of Bible prophecy has ever seen. Wyatt’s years of research may amount to nothing more than garbage, however, he did help prove that some Christians are unlimited in their gullibility.

Whether he is a fraud or not is up for debate. I've watched the entire documentary and there is a lot more going on than skeptics like to give credit. He was on to something.

I'm curious, do you believe Ron Wyatt is correct about the location of Sodom and Gomorrah? How do you explain Those brimstones?

originally posted by: GoShredAK
And this video has strong evidence contrary to the op. Noahs ark is real and has been found.

Funny. That's Ron Wyatt crap. He's a fraud. I already gave the information showing he has been rejected by all of science, all of biblical archeology, nearly all of Christianity, the country of Israel, heck even his own church has denounced him as a liar and a fraud.

I suggest you read the thread and especially the information on Ron Wyatt
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