Should we fear white pride?

originally posted by: RonnieJersey
There's black pride, lesbian pride, gay pride, trans pride, and every other kind one can imagine.
But white pride is not to be allowed? LOL!

Hey, when you own the rules committee, you get to set special rules for yourself.
The left gets to act speak and reason like 2-year-olds at all times. The right gets in trouble for telling the truth, if it gives somebody the sadz.

a reply to: ITSALIVE

Can we discuss racial pride? Is it helpful or harmful? Is it different in the context of different races? If so, why?

All pride is okay except white pride, and some associated ones.

It's a locational/historical reason.

White pride spent so long as the homogeneous masters of everything, and did so many things to keep it specific to skin tone, that they lost their right to have pride in former segregation categories, at least culturally. It was bigoted for so long (in this country) that it lost its pride privileges.

Whites are now forced to specify their pride. Heritage pride is still okay. German, Dutch, Italian, Irish, English, and French are fine. I'm sure even European Pride would be fine as well.

Rule of thumb is if it can have a politically correct heritage festival its probably okay..

German... Fine.
Nordic... Still fine
Aryan... As long as it's Indo-Iranian and not Hyperborean.

But no one goes that far back. Himler sorta screwed up the mystic lineage BS and ancestry of it all, so "Aryan" is misunderstood. It just meant "noble" but was specifically associated with noble in Northern India, Afghanistan, and Iran. How that turned into white people in Europe I will never know... but 'Aryan' is still probably off limits.

I think Black Pride will always be allowed because many of them only know the came from "somewhere in West Africa". And who is gonna stop them?

Just my initial thoughts.

originally posted by: Kreeate

originally posted by: Annee

I would not fear skin color -- I'd fear dominate culture -- which happens to be mostly light skin. But, that is changing.

I assume you meant dominant as opposed to "dominate"?

Fascinating indeed. Which cultures and ethnicities do you consider "light skin"?

Oops! Fixed it.

Ah Ha -- you noticed I said light skin instead of white. That was intentional.

Actually, I was thinking Spaniards.

a reply to: ITSALIVE

he'ck yeah its harmful.... whether white pride or black pride
look around,.... we are ready to fight each other over it.

dont listen to the media b.s. they hyped us ALL up and turned us loose
like those tiktok guys advertizing free prizes,
thousand shows up, he gets out of there, and crowd riots.,,

WE WILL END UP KILLING EACH OTHER

Either everybody can have pride or no one can. It can easily get out of hand and into rejection of others.
I say everyone can and probably should take pride in the good things they personally have done but taking credit for what others of your particular race may have done is just lame coattail riding.

a reply to: Degradation33

way too convoluted, especially for such an ambiguous idea such as pride

all the bashing of any particular shade color of pride does nothing but primarily promote circular, nonsensical discussion and of course, division. A politician's delight

a reply to: Salamandy

I didn't write it, sensitivity did.

Until such time "white pride" is no longer synonymous with racism, and it mostly is, it will be a convoluted outlier that conjures up images of Jack boots and swastikas. Even if it is only demand for an egalitarian application of terminology, it won't pass the sensitivity censors.

When I hear "black pride" I think of Malcolm X, The Black Panthers, and The Nation of Islam. Yaqub and The White Devil's.

But whitey doesn't get the militant hatred pass the blacks do. Had white people been treated like livestock, and then kept segregated, then it might be reversed...

It's unfair, but most don't give a sh*t about the double standard for the whites...

a reply to: Degradation33

Millions of whites have been slaves so why doesn't that count/ Serfdom wasn't much different so lets add tens of millions more. It can only be about more recent history than actual numbers.

a reply to: Asktheanimals

Because it pretty much is a massive game of "what have you done to oppress me lately?"

Society has conditional memory.

Not like Europe remembers The St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre. The hell is a Huguenot? Genocide in Ireland? and the Jews and Gypsies are always killed in mass every so often. Dead Kennedys have more recognition than The Khmer Rouge.

Fickle goldfish society.

It would also help the egalitarian case if the white supremacists would stop using mottos like, "White Pride World Wide" on flags and such. And it would help the white supremacists to not idolize the imagery of the Third Reich or Confederacy. That's sorta like opening a Turkish Bath in Little Armenia, socially speaking.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: tanstaafl

Yea, we know this. Does that mean we can just slide European history under the rug or something?

Why can't we talk about the darker side of european history without people getting so upset?

You are free to do whatever you like, but your comments made it sound like it was all and only 'white europeans'. I simply pointed out your false insinuated premise.

originally posted by: TheValeyard
a reply to: tanstaafl
Hey check this out: What black people OR white people's ancestors did has no bearing on who that people are today.
Ya know why?
Those people are all dead.

Exactly.

originally posted by: ITSALIVE
Can we discuss racial pride? Is it helpful or harmful? Is it different in the context of different races? If so, why? There seems to be a lot of negativity towards racial pride, in the context of white pride. This is dangerously close to considered hate towards other races. Yet, no other race seems to struggle with asserting pride. Some ridicule the idea that there white people deserve pride. In my opinion, taking racial pride is indeed dangerous, it highlights differences amongst people, creates unease and a lack of inclusion. Are we not all human? Identity seems to always hold importance, by why is that different amongst different people? Are those differences acceptable?

Not long ago BLM was always in the news. A call for inclusivity of all lives matter was considered harmful. For the first time I actively saw a change in the conversation, what was wanted was a segregation amongst people, a label and an identity which is held with pride.

Pride can easily be misunderstood. Pride in one thing can be a shunning of something else. It can be considered aggression towards that which it does not include. It can also be considered empowered, something righteous and justified. It can easily be understood how pride, misunderstood, could be a call to action. In the simpsons homer goes to college, gets school pride and steals a rival school mascot causing a major situation. Pride wielded with ignorance and in the context of identity seems extremely dangerous. Thoughts?

There is no such thing as racial pride; and the mere mention of it is ridiculous. I've been thinking about this for a while; Black pride vs White Pride and I've come to the conclusion that both of them are equally bad.

Here is the thing; you can be proud of yourself. You can have pride for accomplishments... What you can't do is be proud of something that you don't control.

I don't control that I'm white/black/asian etc. Nothing I can do will change that. The color of my skin does not dictate my skills, my intelligence, or my behavior. The color of my skin does not make a culture. The color of my skin is something I do not have control over, cannot change, and shouldn't affect any of the decisions I make.

How can you have pride in a pigment?

I posit, that the people who have "pride" for a skin color, are people who are fundamentally making an error in logic. They are falsely equivocating culture with skin color. In the true altuistic sense; if we're striving for equality; we have to stop pointing out the differences in skin color.

Dr. King was right about this. The more you notice; the more you talk about our differences, the less equal we become.

Considering black Americans were marginalized until probably quite a few ATS members were born and are still denigrated, even often here as a group, coupled with the fact that many in the U.S. cannot have pride in their roots, such as African or West Indian, etc, because as they were brought here against their will, the story of their roots were lost. It's logical that the basis of pride is the marginalized race they are.

Most of us can trace our roots. I'm proudly Sardinian, however I also, do not denigrate anyone else, nor does that pride make me or anyone I know superior in any way, nor does it prevent me from mixing my ethnicity with anyone else if I so choose. Unfortunately white pride has very negative connotations, with all the origins of the racism associated with it, that is still used and often seen today. My 2 cents on the subject.

a reply to: tanstaafl

I see it all the time on the internet, and you can only shift blame, strawman, and tip toe your way around the subject for so long before you actually address the full context of the question.

Why is white European pride seen in such a negative light?

a reply to: frogs453

I can't trace my family history in two directions: the civil war destroyed family records and we lost land

My NA relatives were on a reservation. Lost track before that.

I look white.

Guess I should be ashamed because some other people lost their roots too.

a reply to: CoyoteAngels

Who said you should be ashamed? You do know one side of your tree comes from a NA reservation. Try to trace those roots. If you come from an NA bloodline, even on one side, certain White Pride people will not accept you.

a reply to: frogs453

You lefties feel like white pride is racism so I guess ya'll said I should either feel shame or nothing at all.

Who TF are you to tell me what I should do in pursuit of self-exploration? NA is acceptable to you, but not my other roots?? GTFO

WHO THE HELL IS THE RACIST HERE????

And you are completely full of crap that any other whites won't accept me because I have some NA roots. COMPLETELY.

a reply to: FlyingFox

So, really, it's all about the language and the Leftists control the language. Nothing new there, really.

a reply to: frogs453

I actually gave some thought to that BS statement of yours that other white people might judge my NA roots.

I came up with one. The mother of fellow from MAINE that I dated in college. She was distressed that I came from New Mexico (where the college was, he was the out of state student, not me) where she didn't believe was part of the US, even tho' her son was going to school there. She thought I was a brown person. She actually said I was 'passing' after he sent her a picture of me.

So, here was a BLUE BLOOD YANKEE white, not a KKK southerner, that judged me.

Oh yeah, and my Hispanic exMIL. She didn't like I was white either. And really really didn't like my NA roots. She was old land grant upperclass 'Spaniard'. My Irish white was trash.

You are so full of beans.