Should we fear white pride?

Can we discuss racial pride? Is it helpful or harmful? Is it different in the context of different races? If so, why? There seems to be a lot of negativity towards racial pride, in the context of white pride. This is dangerously close to considered hate towards other races. Yet, no other race seems to struggle with asserting pride. Some ridicule the idea that there white people deserve pride. In my opinion, taking racial pride is indeed dangerous, it highlights differences amongst people, creates unease and a lack of inclusion. Are we not all human? Identity seems to always hold importance, by why is that different amongst different people? Are those differences acceptable?

Not long ago BLM was always in the news. A call for inclusivity of all lives matter was considered harmful. For the first time I actively saw a change in the conversation, what was wanted was a segregation amongst people, a label and an identity which is held with pride.

Pride can easily be misunderstood. Pride in one thing can be a shunning of something else. It can be considered aggression towards that which it does not include. It can also be considered empowered, something righteous and justified. It can easily be understood how pride, misunderstood, could be a call to action. In the simpsons homer goes to college, gets school pride and steals a rival school mascot causing a major situation. Pride wielded with ignorance and in the context of identity seems extremely dangerous. Thoughts?

a reply to: ITSALIVE

I think you got the issue in your OP, but it is front and centre and not just an afterthought: identity.
Name me one thing that is truely unique in any 'race' and you end up with superficial appearance stuff, that's the only thing.
Do your looks define your identity?
It is also something nobody really chooses or earns or anything so it is a label you get forced on you by birth, I'd hate it if that'd define my life. There's already enough crap that does that for the same reasons I can't escape, like gender, nationality, religious background, etc.
I mean these things are there, for everybody to see (mostly) or immediately get when we start talking, but me the identity I have is very different.

Identity is crazy complicated - it is one of those things that appear obvious if you don't think about it, the second you do it runs away from your grasp

a reply to: ITSALIVE

I have always looked at it this way:

Take pride in everything you do, but don't make that pride the only defining factor of your life.

Be more than just what is on your pride flag, shirt, hat, etc. If the only thing that sets you apart form someone else is that you are gay, black, lesbian, bi, short, tall, fat, white, Asian, Hispanic, etc, then what are you really doing with your life?

Do things in your life that give you purpose, that set you apart form everyone else, but be more than a pride flag, whatever that pride may be.

i don't feel pride based on skin tone, sex, sexuality or body type.

I'm a sex and I'm a south downer no one can identify into those things they either are or are not those things, when i walk the south down ways it connects with the last 8,000 years, the forts, the castles, the burial grounds the churches, the pagan sites the history, the battles the revolts, persecution and folklore it creates a tapestry that make me who I am.

one particular song from one of kiplings poems highlights that tapestry its called pucks song but its not going to resonate with anyone bar south country folk nor should it as we each have our own tapestries to live to love, to feel pride or shame, which why the modern iconoclasm is so regressive and sad.. you can not rewrite your tapestry as you can not change you sex, it just is..

a reply to: ITSALIVE

It's more to do with the history of "white" people that others associate with white or European pride.

Throughout history white Europeans didn't have white pride, they were arrogant buggers who stomped around the globe thinking they KNEW they were superior to what ever native population they met, and that even happened at home within Europe as well, they dragged their domestic baggage around with them too, look at the boxer wars, or what happened in the America's.

And then there's the whole Germans doing bad things period...

Being "white" and prideful or whatever wasn't really a thing until once squabbling European tribes all fled to the Americas and settled their differences and saw each other as "white people".

There's a lot of history to recover from as a white person, because everyone else around the world knows the history, and humans love to hold grudges.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what your skin color is, or how deep you have ancestry to whatever you come from, people need to settle those differences, keep them personal to their own family and hearts and get along with others to avoid petty conflicts, which can easily turn into big ones.

originally posted by: ITSALIVE
Can we discuss racial pride? ?

I think it's ridiculous to be proud of being black or white or asian or whatever you identify as. Take pride in accomplishments that you worked hard for. Being born a certain color isn't an accomplishment.

I look at culture.

Why did some cultures evolve and others remain primitive?

Why is lighter skin prominent in cultures that evolved?

Pride? In evolving industrially.

Pride? In sticking to your roots and customs.

Perspective.

a reply to: ITSALIVE

There is nothing to fear from people having pride in the accomplishments of their ancestors.
There is also no need for guilt or shame to be taken on from the bad things our ancestors did.

People get way to emotional about the past.

a reply to: strongfp

Problem with the way you wrote that is you put the (for example) the Irish in the same boat as the english, french, and dutch.


Exactly what history do the irish have to recover from?

ETA: I look at my irish ancestors with some pride as persevering in the face of extreme brutality and maintaining who they were versus who they could have easily become.

Still learning about my slovenian ancestors, but the people I met while there were awesome welcoming folks.

a reply to: strongfp

Dont all races have some ugliness in their history?

Mankind is violent. Mankind is racist. Even if same race, mankind will split over ideology.

Sick of it only being remembered when it was white ugly.

a reply to: Irishhaf

Probably just a generalization as to not have to go through and name 40 million countries.

I'm sure there is no animosity towards the Irish

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: ITSALIVE

There is nothing to fear from people having pride in the accomplishments of their ancestors.
There is also no need for guilt or shame to be taken on from the bad things our ancestors did.

People get way to emotional about the past.

If you, living in your modern world, were stolen and forced as a captive to live in a very primitive tribe — how would you adapt?

I understand pride in accomplishments.

But pride in just being who you are — is totally different.

I see pride as identifying with the cultural aspects of those you feel comfortable around. For some it skin color. Others, it's sexual orientation. Other's it's geography.

Ties in with "herd mentality".

"Pride" is also propagated within the various groups too. People are always told to think for themselves but the peer pressures from those around extinguish that unfortunately. Hell...look at politics!

a reply to: PorkChop96

Problem with generalities is they are generlaly wrong.

*shrugs* as long as they arent trying to force a situation on someone take pride in who you are, if your pride drifts toward skin color you do you I dont care and it doesnt bother me much.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: ITSALIVE

There is nothing to fear from people having pride in the accomplishments of their ancestors.
There is also no need for guilt or shame to be taken on from the bad things our ancestors did.

People get way to emotional about the past.

If you, living in your modern world, were stolen and forced as a captive to live in a very primitive tribe — how would you adapt?

I understand pride in accomplishments.

But pride in just being who you are — is totally different.

Maybe I would be upset with people in my homeland that sold me in the first place.
Holding grudges with people that died several generations ago is a waste of time and energy.
People need to focus more on what is instead of what was.

a reply to: Irishhaf

The Irish just got dragged into the mess?
If you look at it from the 'coming to America' point of view, Irish eventually joined in on the white generalization, while non whites were still kept down.

Personally I don't find it wrong to hold cultural or generic ties close to you. It's who you are and being proud of that is important to a lot of people.

a reply to: CoyoteAngels

Yea and? I think we all know history is filled with ugly, just that Europeans were the ugliest, to each other, and dragged everyone else into their BS within a short period of time in a not so long ago past.

If you think we don't live in the direct influence and impact of a euro centric worldview then that's extremely naive. We are living in a period of de - europing as I call it. And it's making a lot of "white" people confused and lost.

a reply to: strongfp

The Irish just got dragged into the mess?

Yea thats usually what happens when you are the conquered people for the vast majority of your countries existence.

They were effectively slaves in their own nation, very nearly exterminated by the brits a couple of times.

a reply to: strongfp

We arent taught African, Arabic or Chinese history, are we?

Self-hating whites only are looking at European/American history.

a reply to: Irishhaf

Anglos being jerks to the Irish should have been a warning sign for things to come...

first up

blak liives matta yo.
they matta all the way to the c0mmunist dyst0pia the internati0nal bannkers want.

second up
the invasi0n of the mexikans, the afrikans in italy and eur0pe, is EXACTLY what the internati0nal bannkers want.
the destructi0n of the whiite raace.

so yes.

blak liives matta yo.