Should we fear white pride?

a reply to: CoyoteAngels

We aren't speaking Chinese, Arabic or some oddball African language are we?
Architecture around the world isn't Chinese, Arabic or African is it?

It's mostly European influence. I'm not sure why people get so angry when other call out the fact that Europeans dominated the world with an iron fist for a few hundred years so they could grow their ever expanding markets.

Europeans didn't have ready to extract sugar, or spices, or textiles naturally they went looking for them.

It's alao I guess unfortunate that they also recorded everything?

A person, of any race, color or religion should have the ability to have pride or celebrate their heritage. The issue is when that said person decides to push it on others or tell others they cannot 'share' it.

This is about 98% of the people in the world. What sucks is we are controlled, guided and force fed the agenda of the 2%.

a reply to: strongfp

Dude.

You need to get out more.

originally posted by: Bluntone22

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: ITSALIVE

There is nothing to fear from people having pride in the accomplishments of their ancestors.
There is also no need for guilt or shame to be taken on from the bad things our ancestors did.

People get way to emotional about the past.

If you, living in your modern world, were stolen and forced as a captive to live in a very primitive tribe — how would you adapt?

I understand pride in accomplishments.

But pride in just being who you are — is totally different.

Maybe I would be upset with people in my homeland that sold me in the first place.
Holding grudges with people that died several generations ago is a waste of time and energy.
People need to focus more on what is instead of what was.

How quickly could you adjust to a culture foreign to you?

Plus I support strong inherited factors.

It’s easy to say what you’re saying.

Maybe not so much in reality.

a reply to: CoyoteAngels

Truth hurts?

It's important to talk about what happened. If this was a thread directed towards Chinese people and their pride I'd talk about Chinese history and what's happening now.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Bluntone22

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: ITSALIVE

There is nothing to fear from people having pride in the accomplishments of their ancestors.
There is also no need for guilt or shame to be taken on from the bad things our ancestors did.

People get way to emotional about the past.

If you, living in your modern world, were stolen and forced as a captive to live in a very primitive tribe — how would you adapt?

I understand pride in accomplishments.

But pride in just being who you are — is totally different.

Maybe I would be upset with people in my homeland that sold me in the first place.
Holding grudges with people that died several generations ago is a waste of time and energy.
People need to focus more on what is instead of what was.

How quickly could you adjust to a culture foreign to you?

Plus I support strong inherited factors.

It’s easy to say what you’re saying.

Maybe not so much in reality.

People adjust to new cultures in a single generation.
I know lots of people who had parents or grandparents immigrate here and they fit in just fine.
Not sure what's so hard about it.

a reply to: strongfp

You put thru the notion that white people have the worst history on the planet.

So that sets up the rest of the planet as part of the topic. You know, comparisons.

Whites are a minority on the planet. And our birthrate is low. We are endangered, not the other way around.

a reply to: CoyoteAngels

Whites are a minority on the planet. And our birthrate is low. We are endangered, not the other way around

Yet they literally hold the most wealth in the world. Why? Because of the European concepts of money that they built for themselves.

go re read my first post in the thread. It seems like all you saw was white people and me talking about their dark history and jumped to the conclusion that I was referring to colonialism and other big bad things that whitey gets called out for.

And when you look at European history in comparison to others on a global scale, it's very ugly. Two world wars, two imperialist expansions, Atlantic slave trade, marxism and socialism, both European concepts ending up in millions dead. Bleeding their ideas and market systems all over the world.

Just as much innovation and achievements they accomplished, there's a bad side as well.

Finally, OP asked why is it a touchy subject to have "white pride" .... gee I don't know. Maybe look at history and work your way to today's world to get a better picture of why.

a reply to: strongfp

Im not into flagellation. You do you.

a reply to: strongfp

The first dominate group to ever rule was the Persians. They are not white. Then we could talk about the Moors or Islam that effectively changed the makeup of said Europe. How about India? How about China? The Mongolian Empire...

The world has existed for 10,000 years. Read some history.

a reply to: ITSALIVE

I'm just about 100% Barbarian. You know, the people who got beat by the Romans. Forced into being civilized. We used to be all free fighting amongst our close enemies. But expanding civilization brought us in conflict with strangers.

I have this ancestor, Danish. He signed up with a Norman Duke to cross the channel to go fight an Anglo-Saxon king. Meanwhile, a Norwegian force was coming in from the North.

Should I be proud that I'm part Danish, or Anglo, or Saxon, or Norman? We were killing each other.

So then part of my clan moved to the Americas, upstate New York. Fought the French. Fought the English. Another part of my family settled in North Carolina. Yeah, my ancestors wearing different colors in the Civil War.

Proud descendant of barbarian savagery with a thin patina of Romantic civilization.

a reply to: matafuchs

We could talk about them. But that's not the subject at hand.

Asking "should we fear white pride?". Or why is white pride looked down on so much, and then come in saying:

"YEA BUT THE PERSIANS IN 245BC DID THIS!"

Has nothing to do with what's happening right now. What happened not even 300 years ago has direct impact on today's global order. Hell in America the supposed bastion of liberal democracy black people who had living relatives who were slaves at the time in 1960s didn't have civil rights.

The british poud was still the dominant global currency until the 1970s.

We can't just pick and choose random periods of history and then trace them to todays world.

a reply to: ITSALIVE

Taking pride in something you were born as is as silly as taking pride that we're carbon-based, or bipedal.

Take pride in the things you do.

2 cents.

originally posted by: Bluntone22

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Bluntone22

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: ITSALIVE

There is nothing to fear from people having pride in the accomplishments of their ancestors.
There is also no need for guilt or shame to be taken on from the bad things our ancestors did.

People get way to emotional about the past.

If you, living in your modern world, were stolen and forced as a captive to live in a very primitive tribe — how would you adapt?

I understand pride in accomplishments.

But pride in just being who you are — is totally different.

Maybe I would be upset with people in my homeland that sold me in the first place.
Holding grudges with people that died several generations ago is a waste of time and energy.
People need to focus more on what is instead of what was.

How quickly could you adjust to a culture foreign to you?

Plus I support strong inherited factors.

It’s easy to say what you’re saying.

Maybe not so much in reality.

People adjust to new cultures in a single generation.
I know lots of people who had parents or grandparents immigrate here and they fit in just fine.
Not sure what's so hard about it.

Immigrants who come by choice are not the same as a person stolen from a primitive culture then treated badly.

I don’t think they automatically jump to the level of an evolved generational culture.

More and more I support inherited genetics.

White pride? Hmmmm

Can the culture sustain?

I don’t think for much longer.

Who is we?

a reply to: ITSALIVE

originally posted by: strongfp
.... black people who had living relatives who were slaves at the time in 1960s ....

Can't follow what you are trying to say.
Are you claiming that people who were slaves were alive in the 1960s?
Slavery ended a hundred years before that so it's not possible.
Or am I reading you wrong?

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Irishhaf

The Irish just got dragged into the mess?
If you look at it from the 'coming to America' point of view, Irish eventually joined in on the white generalization, while non whites were still kept down.

Personally I don't find it wrong to hold cultural or generic ties close to you. It's who you are and being proud of that is important to a lot of people.

a reply to: CoyoteAngels

Yea and? I think we all know history is filled with ugly, just that Europeans were the ugliest, to each other, and dragged everyone else into their BS within a short period of time in a not so long ago past.

If you think we don't live in the direct influence and impact of a euro centric worldview then that's extremely naive. We are living in a period of de - europing as I call it. And it's making a lot of "white" people confused and lost.

American Indian tribes, central and South American tribes, treated each other the same terrible ways that any white colonizers ever did.
Korea, Japan, and China have been wrecking each other for millennia. They’ve all taken turns being the bully. Same with African and Middle eastern countries. They can barely stop blowing each other up in the ME, to have lunch.
You’re living in completely fabricated world of scapegoating.

I think older, wiser ones have stated that too much pride is a bad thing

using a color in conjunction with pride is sort of silly, like being proud of how you prefer to orgasm

a reply to: stevieray

Why is having white pride seen as a bad thing?

What does China and Africa have in common with white Europeans in rather recent history?

Two simple questions. And you'll be back on track to what the thread theme is supposed to be about.

a reply to: FlyersFan

It's tough hammering out posts on a cellphone...

I meant had direct living descendents to slavery. Someone's grandparent lived directly with a legit former slave and a great grandchild of that slave in the 1960s. It's not that far from history from point to point.

It's like the battle of waterloo was less than 100 years away from WW1. History overlaps more than people think.