Book burners at it again

i'm deliberately being an arse, i spent some time in Egypt and saw what the iconoclasts did to some of the temples and palaces, at some point these things in north america will become actual old not just out of date old. i live near castle walls the romans erected in the 2nd century that later went on to become pemsy castle that in ww2 had concrete pill boxes inserted into the roman walls to fend off a nazi invasion.. from protecting one invaders to protecting another invaders to fending off more recent invaders.. each piece is a journey

the thing here is that our countries stories are writ larger and laid bare in front of us in the open air museum that is our public art. to eradicate some bits for fashion sake or for virtue or for ideology feels as much a crime as the destruction wrought by IS in syria..

i can walk the white road or along the white walls* I can see back 500,000 years and its comforting to look into the past as is to see it takes us into the future, i felt the same walking through the ancient wonders of Egypt, only marred by the footprints left by the iconoclasts.

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realised i forgot to add the meaning of those terms the white road is the southdowns way and the white walls are the white cliffs the other terms are the older ones for those 2 and reflect the colour of the ground/cliffs made of chalk..

a reply to: nickyw

Buddha statues have an entirely different significance because without them nobody would have known that buddhism ever was a thing in the Afghanistan area.

If you have good historic records, which we do, and documents, which we also have, those big stone thingies don't serve the same purpose as they do in archeology with the ancients and up to the late middle ages mostly.

originally posted by: NorthOfStuffx2

Now that we know that the Vikings beat him here by a few centuries I’d be good with statues of Ragnar Lothbrok or Erik The Red!

The horns on their helmets would deter the pigeons and seagulls.

I am ALL for it! But Leif gets the first statue.

a reply to: Peeple

public art in our open air museums is a key part part of national stories and editing out parts of those stories is what IS did its what iconoclasts do be they Egyptians or nazis, its not good or healthy to cut out parts of the national tapestry.

I might be incredibly lucky/unlucky growing up where I have on the white road near the green man and white walls with those like kipling and belloc crafting a reachable tapestry in poem and song..

its a place where they stuffed men and women in barrels of tar then set them on fire along with their books to prove the idiocy of wrong thinking, in what became England's largest single human bonfire.. thus i also live in what is a perpetual auto de fe, as book burners always end up people burners and that in itself leaves a lasting mark..

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: nickyw

Buddha statues have an entirely different significance because without them nobody would have known that buddhism ever was a thing in the Afghanistan area.

If you have good historic records, which we do, and documents, which we also have, those big stone thingies don't serve the same purpose as they do in archeology with the ancients and up to the late middle ages mostly.

In essence, if we remove all statues of anyone who ever had anything to do with slavery or suppressing Native Americans we can pretend those things never happened.

Could we do away with the victim mentality if we erase our history, or will the Woke crowd just replace the target with something else?

a reply to: nugget1
Probably look something like this at that point...

a reply to: nickyw

since you mentioned Nazis, all of their artifacts got removed after the second world war and I think that is a good thing.
Do you support slavery is that why it is such an issue?
Also going back to the Romans they basically updated their statues with every new emperor, which is what the city and the culture of a country should be: contemporary not backwards. Which is exactly what ISIS is, funny right? They are backwards to the middle ages they also would never remove their own 'supremacy' icons.

England is known, I hope you are aware, for having a keen interest in the old days of glory and romanticising of said days gone bye. That doesn't make it right or fitting for everybody, especially since the USA doesn't look back to the time when it was important but is still living it.

a reply to: nugget1

WTF nobody wants to pretend it never happened except you people who are so outraged if critical race theory and actual American History is taught in schools.

You are playing the victim, actually. Because you feel threatened in your white washed fake ideological 1960-2020 false history crap.
Make a choice you can either be against teaching actual history in classes, because it hurst your feelings to hear the truth.
Or yell 'they erase history' because someone feels the statue is in modern times not appropriate anymore.

You can't maintain both positions because they are directly opposite.

a reply to: Peeple

History should be objective, not subjective.

For you to include CRT into the fold of "history" insults actual history.

I know, you know that history is being rewritten. We see it on line with books changing content and definitions changing.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Which is how it is supposed to be. Do you want your Lexicon to be eternally that from the good old year 679 BC?
We learn new things. We evaluate things from changing basis knowledge accordingly.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: DBCowboy

Which is how it is supposed to be. Do you want your Lexicon to be eternally that from the good old year 679 BC?
We learn new things. We evaluate things from changing basis knowledge accordingly.

Sure, but when an ideology starts taking down statues of our Founding Fathers, then it's gone beyond "learning new things".

a reply to: DBCowboy

That is not the same thing like erasing history. It is next to impossible to write the Founding Fathers out of history.
But in that context looking at the statue of George won't tell you anything about John Jay. So what good does it actually do in teaching you history?

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: DBCowboy

That is not the same thing like erasing history. It is next to impossible to write the Founding Fathers out of history.

It is the same.

And have you looked at the US educational system?

a reply to: DBCowboy

Try to ban that evil leftist ideology some more and we'll see the rightwing donors hanging out of your pyjamas.

Conservative groups across the US, often linked to deep-pocketed rightwing donors, are carrying out a campaign to ban books from school libraries, often focused on works that address race, LGBTQ issues or marginalized communities.

US conservatives linked to rich donors wage campaign to ban books from schools

Me? I'd rather remove all statues than ban books but what do I know about the Nazis anyway?

a reply to: DBCowboy

How is it the same? Because you say so is sadly not good enough

originally posted by: pthena
a reply to: network dude

The best way to learn history is to repeat it, then it's really fresh in your mind.

Like doing slavery again so we know what it is?

look out! you almost bumped into a raging clue!

a reply to: DBCowboy

taking down statues of our Founding Fathers,

They are statues. I never saw those statues in New York. That didn't make me a subject of the British Crown.
Taking down a statue doesn't remove the Constitution.

Do statues have constitutional rights?

If a city owns a statue can't they remove it if they want to?

originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: tanstaafl
How long should it take to stop being hurt by stuff?

Why should anyone be hurt by the actions of someone who lived hundreds of years ago? 70 years ago? 40 years ago?

I have an idea... stop walking around looking for reasons to be hurt or offended, and stop imagining being 'hurt' by things that had/have no impact whatsoever on you

How many years do you think it should be before one of Hitler's water colours can hang in the Knesset?

Apples and orangutans?

a reply to: Insurrectile

So you are for gay porn for children

originally posted by: LordAhriman
I'm all good with Washington statues, but why do we still care about Columbus? He was SO overhyped to our generations.

It’s not US who matter at all. It is that during a time in our history, people decided they wanted to honor him for whatever reason, it doesn’t matter. They did that by erecting bronze statues. Not wooden ones or sand sculptures. They meant it to last forever and we are not here to go through history and white out what we no longer agree with…it’s our job to PROTECT all that our ancestors enshrined in one way or another because it also lets THEIR legacy live on and gives them a nod simply saying, “you were real, and what you believed matters to us.” What about in 100 years when we are governed by one ruler in the NWO? Will we all vote to dynamite Mount Rushmore? Or when they drop the monarchy, does Victoria’s statue come down in London?