Book burners at it again

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Insurrectile

Are you for or against gay porn being available for children?

It’s a rather easy question.

Are you for math being available for children? Dunno if you know any children, but... books? Do they come with a PS4?

Good thing you took it on you to fight critical race theory, and prevent the frogs from turning gay. No idea what we'd do if someone of your... toppled statue... actually knew what he was doing!

a reply to: LordAhriman

America

USA is a country ON the continent of America, and Columbus only stepped on US soil in Puerto Rico and Virgin Island...

Good lord, have people forgotten ALL of history?
I am so glad I went to school when I did.
We actually learned history.
The freakin reason that Columbus is credited with the "discovery" of "America" (not the US) was that he was the one paved the way for other Spanish and, later,other European exploration. The Spanish concentrated on South America, then later, expanded into the southern US.
If one wants to think of the first to land here, that would most likely NOT have been the "Vikings" (Norsemen). That may have dang well been the Mayans (artifacts found in Georgia ) or maybe the Egyptians (artifacts found in the midwest). Which would have been irrelevant as the Spanish were the first Europeans to start settling here.

Columbus and slaves

/End Rant and Denying Ignorance.

So , leave the title, and the statues, to Columbus.

a reply to: Gothmog

i think the point like the destruction at The Temple of Hatshepsut is to alter history and create a more comfortable version for modern sensibilities.. IS did the same in syria as did the nazis and indeed the recent claims that england was until very very very recently an african country filled with africans sit in the same space.

its all end of empires stuff the victorian british did it by reinventing themselves as the lost tribe.. you'll always find the deep seated exceptionalism somewhere with iconoclasts that drives them to burn books, destroy icons and rewrite history..

a reply to: nickyw

alter history and create a more comfortable version for modern sensibilities

What the renaissance did for us as well, you've got beef with da Vinci?

its all end of empires stuff the victorian british did it by reinventing themselves as the lost tribe.. you'll always find the deep seated exceptionalism somewhere with iconoclasts that drives them to burn books, destroy icons and rewrite history..

Burning books seems to be fine when it's about preventing "gay porn" tho, which would be said exceptionalism in motion as well. Right?

a reply to: Insurrectile

If you want to equate gay porn for children to tearing down statues, then that's your right.

It's an odd hill to die on, in my humble opinion.

a reply to: DBCowboy

What makes you think that?

You don't think burning books would be worse?

originally posted by: Insurrectile
a reply to: DBCowboy

What makes you think that?

You don't think burning books would be worse?

Tearing down statues because; Offended is NOT the same as parents being shocked at adult porn available for children.

You're trying to conflate the two and all you're doing is outing yourself as someone who wants to sexualize children.

Which is illegal.

a reply to: DBCowboy

You're trying to conflate the two

Which is why I authored a thread under this headline, essentially conflating things from the get-go? Leaning strong into projections again, are we?

Offended is NOT the same as parents being shocked

Sounds hilarious but I want to learn more... shocking! Care to expand on that?

Colombus was that session bassist who gets hired for recording, then claims he wrote most of the song, and sues the band.
In fact, the Spanish empire was that bassist in general for much of its prominence, just like every other dumba** historical empire. F*** Columbus.
While we're at it, can we stop showing respect to the English royals, please?
Messing with the Washington statues is going a bit far though, but whatever.
My take is if someone tried to lie and take stuff that wasn't theirs, or lie and say they discovered something, or say they did something monumental that they didn't do, then they SHOULD be erased and forgotten.

USA isn't a Spanish colony, so why do we venerate the dude who put the americas on the map for the Spanish?
Might as well have statues of Vasco de Gama everywhere. I also notice everyone has ALWAYS conveniently forgot about Amerigo Vespucci, which is where we get the name "America" from, because he was Italian. Where were his statues to begin with?
Look, just try to be logically consistent, people!
I'm more on the side of those destroying the statues I think.

a reply to: LordAhriman

a reply to: TheValeyard

Without the statues, the next generation will have nothing to learn, nothing to discuss, nothing to debate.

Only what the state allows us to see and learn in their schools.

Absolutely. When people burn books they could be censoring truth or useful ideas.
A statue is just a statue. Well, an idol really. Would anyone care if someone toppled over a statue of Lizzo?
They're just people, and much of the veneration of historical figures is based on lies.
It's good that people are protesting that.

a reply to: DBCowboy

The only reason we have statues of Columbus is because the schools taught us he discovered america, when he didn't.
You have circular reasoning there, and that's no bueno.

a reply to: DBCowboy

originally posted by: TheValeyard
The only reason we have statues of Columbus is because the schools taught us he discovered america, when he didn't.
You have circular reasoning there, and that's no bueno.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Statues are like paintings, art, free expression. Just like books.

Government is in direct violation of the 1st Amendment in removing them.

I suppose you're for removing offensive speech and offensive speakers as well.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Government is in direct violation of the 1st Amendment in removing them.

Cities and towns commission statues to be put up. The artists express. The US Government does not stop them.

Once the statue is up and the artist is paid, the city can do what it wants with it. It is not the business of the US Government in any way.
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Hypothetical test case:

City A commissions artist B to cast a bronze statue of Columbus.
B puts up a scarecrow with a pumpkin head.
Is it against the Constitution for the city to remove the scarecrow?

a reply to: TheValeyard

Let me sum up what we've learned thus far.

We should be calling for the Feds, to keep up statues from explorers who explored nothing, whilst doing the good deed of burning books so the frogs wont turn gay.

Any questions?