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Russell Brand denies 'serious criminal allegations' he claims are being made against him
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originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: Oldcarpy2
I’d go further, you not only want him cancelled, you want him jailed.
How about some REAL justice...?
If Brand is convicted, brand should be turned over the the fathers of the girls he assaulted/raped.
How would you feel if your daughter was assaulted/raped?
edit on 17-9-2023 by olaru12 because: (no reason given)
a reply to: AlienBorg
But they may well help collaborate the stories, hence if the girl goes to the police will indeed constitute evidence.
We have seen the text there public knowledge, and have been presented, and shown.
You did watch the Dispatches documentary?
Again the record of the visit may collaborate the victim's account of what happened.
That remains to be established and will be down to the CPS to prove in a court of law if indeed complaints are made and charges levied against Brand.
It has been clearly pointed out to you a few times now even though you seem hell-bent refusing to accept it as such.
A court of law and prosecution may see things rather differently should this become an actual court case.
Again the CPS might not see it that way should a complaint be made and charges brought against Brand.
The following week will dictate the pace of the investigation, and if it goes anywhere, but like i suggest Police are asking for witnesses to come forward and the victims to contact them if they wish to do so.
Need to wait and see what happens.
My bedtime time now AlienBorg, have to catch some Zzzzz, up in a few hours.
Good night once again.
Texts, emails, and the phone calls to him don't constitute evidence of sexual assault.
But they may well help collaborate the stories, hence if the girl goes to the police will indeed constitute evidence.
The only thing they can see is the content of these text messages and whether there are threats of violence, verbal abuse, and related offences.
We have seen the text there public knowledge, and have been presented, and shown.
You did watch the Dispatches documentary?
If someone has gone to take crisis center that doesn't imply this someone was raped and if she did Russel Brand is the rapist.
Again the record of the visit may collaborate the victim's account of what happened.
It would be impossible to prove any of these even if he did commit all these crimes.
That remains to be established and will be down to the CPS to prove in a court of law if indeed complaints are made and charges levied against Brand.
I don't see much evidence other than what a number of women said who I don't know of their motives.
It has been clearly pointed out to you a few times now even though you seem hell-bent refusing to accept it as such.
A court of law and prosecution may see things rather differently should this become an actual court case.
You can't convict someone in the absence of evidence. The attack seems coordinated to me and to everyone else who has read this story. It seems it tools them more than a decade to realise they have sexually assaulted.
Again the CPS might not see it that way should a complaint be made and charges brought against Brand.
The following week will dictate the pace of the investigation, and if it goes anywhere, but like i suggest Police are asking for witnesses to come forward and the victims to contact them if they wish to do so.
Need to wait and see what happens.
My bedtime time now AlienBorg, have to catch some Zzzzz, up in a few hours.
Good night once again.
edit on 17-9-2023 by andy06shake because: (no reason given)
a reply to: Freeborn
You are just plain lying....
10 billion - that's how much will be spent on this upcoming political election......
Think about that...
That money isn't spent on reaching the core followers. It's to reach the undecided and middle class suburban woman.
Seven million followers (with most being in the US is a MASSIVE) voting block. And those are just followers - they don't include everyone who simply watches but does not press subscribe.
I watch occasionally and Brand has stated many times he isn't a fan of Trump - I'm guessing from the comments most of the followers seem to be white middle class semi-left leaning women. Of course, if there is anything pro-Trump the hard core right wings will come out but his base is mainly middle of the road type people.
Do you know how important this demographic is to the elections in the US! They spend hundreds of millions of dollars to reach this group.
There's no doubt it this does give Biden a great benefit!
You are just plain lying....
10 billion - that's how much will be spent on this upcoming political election......
Think about that...
That money isn't spent on reaching the core followers. It's to reach the undecided and middle class suburban woman.
Seven million followers (with most being in the US is a MASSIVE) voting block. And those are just followers - they don't include everyone who simply watches but does not press subscribe.
I watch occasionally and Brand has stated many times he isn't a fan of Trump - I'm guessing from the comments most of the followers seem to be white middle class semi-left leaning women. Of course, if there is anything pro-Trump the hard core right wings will come out but his base is mainly middle of the road type people.
Do you know how important this demographic is to the elections in the US! They spend hundreds of millions of dollars to reach this group.
There's no doubt it this does give Biden a great benefit!
I’m SHOCKED! Who would have THOUGHT! An ENEMY of MANY GOVERNMENT PLAYERS who was calling them out by name IS HIMSELF a kid fu—-r! I suspected it
all along. I bet he is even RACIST!
Really, if this whole spiel still works, then humanity has no future.
Really, if this whole spiel still works, then humanity has no future.
a reply to: AlexandrosTheGreat
I agree .. only it is so obvious now to a rapidly expanding group of awakened people, that the system M.O. demands a complete destruction and character assassination of any players who has benefitted from the system and who foolishly decides to turn against it.
The population are awake .. anyone paying attention will know why Russell Brand has been targeted .. somewhere along the line Russell chose the right hand path .. he will be protected, he is protected spiritually now and all of this will unravel in his favour. Those who chose to vilify or present false witness will be held accountable. We can see you .. your plausible deniability has disappeared and you stand naked.
Time is running out .. time to get right with God!
Really, if this whole spiel still works, then humanity has no future.
I agree .. only it is so obvious now to a rapidly expanding group of awakened people, that the system M.O. demands a complete destruction and character assassination of any players who has benefitted from the system and who foolishly decides to turn against it.
The population are awake .. anyone paying attention will know why Russell Brand has been targeted .. somewhere along the line Russell chose the right hand path .. he will be protected, he is protected spiritually now and all of this will unravel in his favour. Those who chose to vilify or present false witness will be held accountable. We can see you .. your plausible deniability has disappeared and you stand naked.
Time is running out .. time to get right with God!
Even Danni Minogue has called him a "sex predator"......I have listened to Russell for a couple of years now and he is cool and informed....even if he
says words like "wiv" and "earf".....the other thing that concerns me is that he has been a msm star and his wifes brother is married to a bildeberg
or some jewish clan
a reply to: Daughter2
Who the # do you think you are calling me a liar?
I expressed my opinion, if its different to yours then so #ing what.
Grow up and accept that people have different opinions.
Don't EVER call me a liar!
An election contested by two people who should not be allowed anywhere near The White House.
And I quite clearly referred to the UK....if you guys are that impressionable that you'd be influenced by a complete knobhead like Russell Brand well maybe there is no hope left for you.
I'd hazard a guess that the vast majority of those are already predisposed to similar opinions of his prior to subscribing to anything.
Preaching to the converted sort of springs to mind.
Sorry, that makes no sense at all.
So he's anti Trump, pro-'white middle class semi-left leaning women'....and him getting outed as a serial sex abuser of women helps Biden exactly how?
You are just plain lying....
Who the # do you think you are calling me a liar?
I expressed my opinion, if its different to yours then so #ing what.
Grow up and accept that people have different opinions.
Don't EVER call me a liar!
10 billion - that's how much will be spent on this upcoming political election......
An election contested by two people who should not be allowed anywhere near The White House.
And I quite clearly referred to the UK....if you guys are that impressionable that you'd be influenced by a complete knobhead like Russell Brand well maybe there is no hope left for you.
Seven million followers (with most being in the US is a MASSIVE) voting block.
I'd hazard a guess that the vast majority of those are already predisposed to similar opinions of his prior to subscribing to anything.
Preaching to the converted sort of springs to mind.
I watch occasionally and Brand has stated many times he isn't a fan of Trump - I'm guessing from the comments most of the followers seem to be white middle class semi-left leaning women. Of course, if there is anything pro-Trump the hard core right wings will come out but his base is mainly middle of the road type people.
Do you know how important this demographic is to the elections in the US! They spend hundreds of millions of dollars to reach this group.
There's no doubt it this does give Biden a great benefit!
Sorry, that makes no sense at all.
So he's anti Trump, pro-'white middle class semi-left leaning women'....and him getting outed as a serial sex abuser of women helps Biden exactly how?
edit on 18/9/23 by Freeborn because: Fix quote and typo's
love this thread... confirmation bias in full swing...
We should use the logic of "innocent till proven guilty" more often...
by that logic, Brandon is as innocent as Russel, just saying.
We should use the logic of "innocent till proven guilty" more often...
by that logic, Brandon is as innocent as Russel, just saying.
originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
I have always thought the man was a complete knob head.
For instance:
www.express.co.uk...
"Back in 2008, Brand and Ross made headlines after leaving numerous vulgar messages on Sachs’ phone, including claims that Brand had sex with his granddaughter Georgina Baillie."
Not funny at all.
[lleditby]edit on 16-9-2023 by Oldcarpy2 because: (no reason given)
You had to go all the way back to 2008 to confirm your bias.
Let that sink in.
originally posted by: olaru12
If Brand is convicted, brand should be turned over the the fathers of the girls he assaulted/raped.
Luckily, the UK is a civilised country and has laws against barbarity. If successfully convicted of whatever crimes Brand may be eventually charged with, then it will be up to the Judge as to what happens.
If you want to see justice Pakistani style, then move to Pakistan, or (er) Bradford?
Due process keeps getting thrown around here. I would say the cart is being put before the horse, not just in this case but in many historical cases
in the past where the accused has been cleared of all charges, but their life has been left in tatters.
If a person is a victim of a crime, they report it to legal authorities to investigate and if there is a case to be answered then due process begins.
The massive, massive problem is when victims don't follow that due process and take alternative roots, in this case the media.
By going down the route of 'court of public opinion' alleged perpetrators never get a fair hearing in court.
Personally, (and don't think or misinterpret for one minute by saying this that I think Brand is innocent), anyone, and that includes the alleged victim and media outlet, who names the accused publicly and presents their 'evidence' to the 'court of public opinion' should be prosecuted and no prosecution of alleged perpetrator can then ensue.
There have been far too many people publicly accused of crimes who have been later found in court to be inocent, but their lives ruined for ever more.
If a person feels they have been a victim of a crime, take it to the police to be investigated. Going to the media does not help your case one little bit or, and most importantly, help others who would go to the authorities, but don't because they don't want the 'media spotlight' put upon them especially in the case of rape and/or abuse.
Hanging your 'dirty washing' out to public scrutiny only serves to 'muddy the waters' and removes the 'innocent until proven guilty', which is the mainstay of a court of law.
I say this as a woman: The police are doing exactly what is right here by asking any woman who feels she has a case against Brand to come forward for them to investigate. Until any woman comes forward with their accusation, the police's hands are tied..... by due process. Something needs to change where women who have been victims of such crimes that Brand is being accused of, should feel safe and if necessary remain 'publicly anonymous' in any subsequent court case. Far more cases would then come forwards and most probably be succesfully prosecuted if women felt they have a 'safe space'.
Personally, if any media outlet does an 'expose' piece under the guise of 'investigative journalism' should be held to account ...... they are not the law. They too should follow 'due process' and take their alleged findings to the police in the first instance. After a police investigation, and in the UK, if the CPS agrees there is a case to be answered and it goes to court, then let the flood gates open in the press. This would also elevate the credibility of our media.
As things stand, any case like this is a kangaroo court and helps nobody except to cause division and divisiveness and worst of all prevents other women from coming forwards.
Rainbows
Jane
If a person is a victim of a crime, they report it to legal authorities to investigate and if there is a case to be answered then due process begins.
The massive, massive problem is when victims don't follow that due process and take alternative roots, in this case the media.
By going down the route of 'court of public opinion' alleged perpetrators never get a fair hearing in court.
Personally, (and don't think or misinterpret for one minute by saying this that I think Brand is innocent), anyone, and that includes the alleged victim and media outlet, who names the accused publicly and presents their 'evidence' to the 'court of public opinion' should be prosecuted and no prosecution of alleged perpetrator can then ensue.
There have been far too many people publicly accused of crimes who have been later found in court to be inocent, but their lives ruined for ever more.
If a person feels they have been a victim of a crime, take it to the police to be investigated. Going to the media does not help your case one little bit or, and most importantly, help others who would go to the authorities, but don't because they don't want the 'media spotlight' put upon them especially in the case of rape and/or abuse.
Hanging your 'dirty washing' out to public scrutiny only serves to 'muddy the waters' and removes the 'innocent until proven guilty', which is the mainstay of a court of law.
I say this as a woman: The police are doing exactly what is right here by asking any woman who feels she has a case against Brand to come forward for them to investigate. Until any woman comes forward with their accusation, the police's hands are tied..... by due process. Something needs to change where women who have been victims of such crimes that Brand is being accused of, should feel safe and if necessary remain 'publicly anonymous' in any subsequent court case. Far more cases would then come forwards and most probably be succesfully prosecuted if women felt they have a 'safe space'.
Personally, if any media outlet does an 'expose' piece under the guise of 'investigative journalism' should be held to account ...... they are not the law. They too should follow 'due process' and take their alleged findings to the police in the first instance. After a police investigation, and in the UK, if the CPS agrees there is a case to be answered and it goes to court, then let the flood gates open in the press. This would also elevate the credibility of our media.
As things stand, any case like this is a kangaroo court and helps nobody except to cause division and divisiveness and worst of all prevents other women from coming forwards.
Rainbows
Jane
a reply to: angelchemuel
I've recently had a talk with a mother of a 20-year-old boy, that got into lots of trouble because the girl accused him of sexual abuse. turned out she's a nasty little bitch, and no wrongdoing could be proven, the kiddo didn't hold up too well to the social and legal pressure, and had a suicide attempt that luckily failed.
The mother proposed that if your accusations turn out to be false, the accuser should serve the same sentence as the accused would have, if found guilty. I found her idea pretty reasonable. Women should think really hard before they throw accusation around.
false accusations by women can ruin a man's life while the women walks off squat free or at best with a defamation lawsuit.
Psychological violence is violence too, and if women are allowed to use it with no repercussion, men might just have to resort back to their violence too... JK, but at this point, it's women that need to get their # together and stop playing victims.
I've recently had a talk with a mother of a 20-year-old boy, that got into lots of trouble because the girl accused him of sexual abuse. turned out she's a nasty little bitch, and no wrongdoing could be proven, the kiddo didn't hold up too well to the social and legal pressure, and had a suicide attempt that luckily failed.
The mother proposed that if your accusations turn out to be false, the accuser should serve the same sentence as the accused would have, if found guilty. I found her idea pretty reasonable. Women should think really hard before they throw accusation around.
false accusations by women can ruin a man's life while the women walks off squat free or at best with a defamation lawsuit.
Psychological violence is violence too, and if women are allowed to use it with no repercussion, men might just have to resort back to their violence too... JK, but at this point, it's women that need to get their # together and stop playing victims.
originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: AlienBorg
Texts, emails, and the phone calls to him don't constitute evidence of sexual assault.
But they may well help collaborate the stories, hence if the girl goes to the police will indeed constitute evidence.
The only thing they can see is the content of these text messages and whether there are threats of violence, verbal abuse, and related offences.
We have seen the text there public knowledge, and have been presented, and shown.
You did watch the Dispatches documentary?
If someone has gone to take crisis center that doesn't imply this someone was raped and if she did Russel Brand is the rapist.
Again the record of the visit may collaborate the victim's account of what happened.
It would be impossible to prove any of these even if he did commit all these crimes.
That remains to be established and will be down to the CPS to prove in a court of law if indeed complaints are made and charges levied against Brand.
I don't see much evidence other than what a number of women said who I don't know of their motives.
It has been clearly pointed out to you a few times now even though you seem hell-bent refusing to accept it as such.
A court of law and prosecution may see things rather differently should this become an actual court case.
You can't convict someone in the absence of evidence. The attack seems coordinated to me and to everyone else who has read this story. It seems it tools them more than a decade to realise they have sexually assaulted.
Again the CPS might not see it that way should a complaint be made and charges brought against Brand.
The following week will dictate the pace of the investigation, and if it goes anywhere, but like i suggest Police are asking for witnesses to come forward and the victims to contact them if they wish to do so.
Need to wait and see what happens.
My bedtime time now AlienBorg, have to catch some Zzzzz, up in a few hours.
Good night once again.
I am not from the UK (I am from the US) and don't know what Dispatches is, but I read the news and especially news in the English speaking countries.
I will have to say again there is no serious evidence against Russell Brand and all we have are the accounts by some women, 4 initially, but there are more as it seems who have come forward and said they have been sexually assaulted.
news.sky.com...
No police complaint yet but plenty of condemnation in the media. They seem to have decided he is guilty but it doesn't work like this I am afraid (and thankfully for any decent democratic system).
No CCTV evidence of possible assault and abuse
No forensic evidence- This is the most important part of any such investigation
No audio or photographic evidence
The alleged offences were committed many years ago and by definition the collection of any type of evidence is something that seems almost impossible.
You said it has been clearly pointed out to me. What has been pointed out?? The accounts by some women and their stories together with some text messages don't constitute any serious evidence and I would be interested to see how this evolves.
Imagine a few women came and accused you?! Then according to this type of 'evidence' you will be next and then every XY member of our society.
I am not saying he did or didn't do it. I just don't know as I wasn't there. All I say is that courts make decisions on the basis of very strong evidence. There doesn't seem to be much here.
edit on 18-9-2023 by AlienBorg because: (no reason given)
Some more information pertaning to the subject.
Apparently, the girl who was only 16 years old at the time when she was in a 3-month relationship with Brand is now alleging a BBC car was used to take her to his home.
www.thesun.co.uk...#:~:text=Now%20she%20has%20claimed%20he,I%20should%20u se%20that%20car.%E2%80%9D
www.thedailybeast.com...
news.stv.tv...
Apparently, the girl who was only 16 years old at the time when she was in a 3-month relationship with Brand is now alleging a BBC car was used to take her to his home.
www.thesun.co.uk...#:~:text=Now%20she%20has%20claimed%20he,I%20should%20u se%20that%20car.%E2%80%9D
www.thedailybeast.com...
news.stv.tv...
edit on
18-9-2023 by andy06shake because: (no reason given)
Here's a link to the Guardian, as the Times is a paided website for lots of people.
www.theguardian.com...
Here's a video of the "Saville comments" from the Guardian article.
I see a lot of people here defending Brand purely because of his political beliefs and dislike of the "status quo".
This should be about a possible rapist using his fame and infamy to commit rape and get away with it and not weather you support his conspricies.
For those who haven't seen the Dispatches programme, maybe take the time to read the article and understand the allegations made, and how it took a few years of investigation to make the documentary.
I've heard before that female comedians have a whats app group they use, it has a list of male comedians they should avoid being alone with. Brands name was on it.
www.theguardian.com...
Here's a video of the "Saville comments" from the Guardian article.
I see a lot of people here defending Brand purely because of his political beliefs and dislike of the "status quo".
This should be about a possible rapist using his fame and infamy to commit rape and get away with it and not weather you support his conspricies.
For those who haven't seen the Dispatches programme, maybe take the time to read the article and understand the allegations made, and how it took a few years of investigation to make the documentary.
I've heard before that female comedians have a whats app group they use, it has a list of male comedians they should avoid being alone with. Brands name was on it.
edit on 18-9-2023 by Kurokage because: (no reason given)
a reply to: AlienBorg
What are you looking for or would constitute actual evidence AlienBorg?
A johnny bag full of the Brand's fluid and video evidence of him being on the job and committing the sad acts of depravity with the little 16-year-old girl?
I don't think you comprehend what actually may constitute evidence or even how or how the CPS functions when dealing with like likes of accusations of rape.
And ile ask you once again, try and answer the question, have you watched the actual Dispatches documentary and heard the claims being made against the man?
Again the text messages, and phone linked to brand, nevermind the trip to a rape crisis center by one of the victims in 2012, will be used as corroborating evidence should the ladies choose to make a complaint to the Police, coz that's just how Police roll.
This week will dictate the pace of any investigations that may take place depending on who comes forward and what other evidence and witnesses materialise.
You will just need to deal with the wait same as Brand.
Have a nice day.
No CCTV evidence of possible assault and abuse
No forensic evidence- This is the most important part of any such investigation
No audio or photographic evidence
What are you looking for or would constitute actual evidence AlienBorg?
A johnny bag full of the Brand's fluid and video evidence of him being on the job and committing the sad acts of depravity with the little 16-year-old girl?
I don't think you comprehend what actually may constitute evidence or even how or how the CPS functions when dealing with like likes of accusations of rape.
And ile ask you once again, try and answer the question, have you watched the actual Dispatches documentary and heard the claims being made against the man?
Again the text messages, and phone linked to brand, nevermind the trip to a rape crisis center by one of the victims in 2012, will be used as corroborating evidence should the ladies choose to make a complaint to the Police, coz that's just how Police roll.
This week will dictate the pace of any investigations that may take place depending on who comes forward and what other evidence and witnesses materialise.
You will just need to deal with the wait same as Brand.
Have a nice day.
edit on 18-9-2023 by andy06shake because: (no reason given)
originally posted by: Kurokage
Here's a link to the Guardian, as the Times is a paided website for lots of people.
www.theguardian.com...
Here's a video of the "Saville comments" from the Guardian article.
I see a lot of people here defending Brand purely because of his political beliefs and dislike of the "status quo".
This should be about a possible rapist using his fame and infamy to commit rape and get away with it and not weather you support his conspricies.
For those who haven't seen the Dispatches programme, maybe take the time to read the article and understand the allegations made, and how it took a few years of investigation to make the documentary.
I've heard before that female comedians have a whats app group they use, that has a list of male comedians they should avoid being alone with. Brands name was on it.
You need very strong evidence and proof to conduct someone of rape and sexual assault. The media witchhunting isn't the best possible way and it creates mainly a backlash that favourites Brands even if he has done it.
But as I said in the post above
No CCTV evidence of possible assault and abuse
No forensic evidence- This is the most important part of any such investigation
No audio or photographic evidence
The alleged offences were committed many years ago and by definition the collection of any type of evidence is something that seems almost impossible.
Courts decide on the basis of evidence and not on the basis of media trials and public condemnations.
What's happening isn't great for any legal system.
originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: AlienBorg
No CCTV evidence of possible assault and abuse
No forensic evidence- This is the most important part of any such investigation
No audio or photographic evidence
What are you looking for or would constitute actual evidence AlienBorg?
A johnny bag full of the Brand's fluid and a video evidence of him being on the job and committing the sad acts of depravity with the little 16 year old girl?
I don't think you comprehend what actually may constitute evidence or even how or how the CPS functions when dealing with like likes of accusations of rape.
And ile ask you once again, try and answer the question, have you watched the actual Dispatched documentary and heard the claims being made against the man?
Again the text messages, and phone linked to brand, nevermind the trip to a rape crisis center by one of the victims in 2012, will be used as corroborating evidence should the ladies choose to make a complaint to the Police, coz that's just how Police roll.
This week will dictate the pace of any investigations that may take place depending on who comes forward and what other evidence and witnesses materialise.
You will just need to deal with the wait same as Brand.
Have a nice day.
I do actually and as I said above
No CCTV evidence of possible assault and abuse
No forensic evidence- This is the most important part of any such investigation
No audio or photographic evidence
The alleged offences were committed many years ago and by definition the collection of any type of evidence is something that seems almost impossible.
We only have accounts by some women and some text messages. Do you think this is enough to convict someone of rape or sexual assault??