Meat equals Prosperity

a reply to: Kreeate

You provided links to general websites. You did not cite any specific sources or quote any specific statements to back up your claims. Do you know what citing means?

I'm not trolling, I'm stating facts.

originally posted by: socialmediaclown
Again, my question is, if a 100% plant based diet holds no nutritional value then how do some grazing animals not only survive but thrive? Take the bison for example, how many centuries has this creature existed on plant sustenance alone?

I've never studied any biology, so this might be totally wrong (or stupid) to suggest, but could the answer lie somewhere in the fact the cows have four stomachs and humans only have one?

Just saying, "Y brought you a deer" sounds better than I brought you a sweet-potato.

a reply to: TrulyColorBlind

That's true, some -not all - animals have 4 chambered stomachs to break down cellulose. Humans can't break down cellulose but we do have bacteroides that break down and digest nutrients in food we consume, both plant and animal.

originally posted by: socialmediaclown
a reply to: TrulyColorBlind

That's true, some -not all - animals have 4 chambered stomachs to break down cellulose. Humans can't break down cellulose but we do have bacteroides that break down and digest nutrients in food we consume, both plant and animal.

Thank you for responding and answering me!

A cheese or a yogurt on the other hand - hey it comes from the cow, and the cows are sacred.

Prophesies, you know ....

So long before the Panama Canal, and the Suez Canal.

Got to go round the Cape?

Yip, and the Khoi-khoi people had fresh water, cattle and other unmentionables.

originally posted by: socialmediaclown
a reply to: tanstaafl

Is the meat of a bison less nutritionally dense and fatty than the meat of a carnivorous animal...say, a lion?

No, it is far more nutritionally dense.

originally posted by: socialmediaclown

Again, my question is, if a 100% plant based diet holds no nutritional value then how do some grazing animals not only survive but thrive? Take the bison for example, how many centuries has this creature existed on plant sustenance alone?

Your question makes zero sense. It's like asking since plants live on CO2 why can't we also live on CO2? It's about how life evolved. There is a lot of meat-only diet life too. I'm not saying zero nutritional value, but maybe for many species, it is a poor choice. For example, humans can't digest grass so there is zero value in it for us. Over all, meat is healthier for humans.

originally posted by: socialmediaclown
a reply to: TrulyColorBlind

That's true, some -not all - animals have 4 chambered stomachs to break down cellulose.

And those that don't have multiple stomachs have a very large cecum that ferments the cellulose and extracts the fatty acids and other nutrients.

Humans can't break down cellulose but we do have bacteroides that break down and digest nutrients in food we consume, both plant and animal.

Humans retained a partial ability to extract some limited amount of nutrition from plants as a survival mechanism, but we do it very poorly, and suffer from the symptoms from all of the naturally plant carcinogens and toxins. Fatty red meat is almost 100% absorbed and utilized by the body. This is why a human eating a 100% fatty red meat diet may only poop once every few days to a week or more.

a reply to: JAGStorm

Bad time, why should I have to see such when I live in the most wealthy country to exist, ohhh cause billionaire and politicians rape us.

I hope it explodes in everyone face.

# the two party system bs illusion of choice as you keep playing their game the house will win.


thx obama, thx bush, thx #face biden thx trump thx every retard politician who milked the system only to enrich themselves.

thanks.

be sure to vote~

a reply to: Xtrozero

Plants don't live on C02, they utilize it. So does the human body.

I don't know what type of grass you're referring to, if you mean the modern lawn, I don't think it has much nutritional value for anyone. It's designed to be esthetically pleasing.

a reply to: tanstaafl

I don't believe the idea that humans evolved to eat only red meat. Evolution is adaptation. We adapted to eat meat but that doesn't mean we can't adapt to other alternatives. We're not finished evolving. If something would happen that forced humans to cut down on or give up meat, our systems would adapt to the new environment. Adapt or die.

If you go back to early humans, before we domesticated animals (even after), they sustained themselves through feast/famine patterns of eating. They ate the way other carnivorous animals ate. They hunted, consumed the kill before it went bad (unless they had a way to store it in the winter), and then they fasted or sustained themselves by foraging until the next hunt. They didn't have a McDonald's or grocery store on every corner. They didn't eat meat 3x a day, every single day the way most Americans do today, which is overconsuming and not healthy.

Imo, it's not so much what you eat (excluding sugar and highly processed food) but how you eat and how often. For optimal health, more people should try intermittent fasting. That's what our ancestors were doing, that's the pattern of consumption that most people can easily adapt to.

a reply to: Lysergic

thx obama, thx bush, thx #face biden thx trump thx every retard politician who milked the system only to enrich themselves.

Can't forget to throw ourselves in there. We are the ones allowing it.

originally posted by: socialmediaclown
a reply to: tanstaafl

I don't believe the idea that humans evolved to eat only red meat.

I didn't say 'only', I said primarily. We evolved to become and are nowobligate hyper-carnivores. That is what we are, whether you like or believe it or not.

Evolution is adaptation. We adapted to eat meat but that doesn't mean we can't adapt to other alternatives.

Evolution/adaptation takes hundreds of thousands, even millions of years.

We're not finished evolving. If something would happen that forced humans to cut down on or give up meat, our systems would adapt to the new environment. Adapt or die.

Yes - and it would take hundreds of thousands, even millions of years (depending on how drastic the changes may be) - and if we didn't haven enough time to adapt, yes, we'd die out - just like the vegetarian versions of our ancestors did.

If you go back to early humans, before we domesticated animals (even after), they sustained themselves through feast/famine patterns of eating. They ate the way other carnivorous animals ate. They hunted, consumed the kill before it went bad (unless they had a way to store it in the winter), and then they fasted or sustained themselves by foraging until the next hunt.

Yep.

They didn't eat meat 3x a day, every single day the way most Americans do today, which is overconsuming and not healthy.

The carnivore community agrees with you, which is why most eat no more than two, but very often only one meal a fay.

Imo, it's not so much what you eat (excluding sugar and highly processed food) but how you eat and how often. For optimal health, more people should try intermittent fasting. That's what our ancestors were doing, that's the pattern of consumption that most people can easily adapt to.

I agree wholeheartedly, but there is also no question that the optimal food for human beings is the meat and fat of largely ruminant animals. Ruminants are extremely good at filtering out the plant toxins (both naturally occurring and mand added) which is why their meat/fat is optimal.

a reply to: chiefsmom
I used to have a link to a site that kept archives of the grocery stores weekly specials. If I can find it that kills the 'Inflation is under control.' Lie.
weekly-ads.us...
Found it.
It used to go back a 'lot' further than 2021 but I guess they were paid off or threatened.

a reply to: tanstaafl

I didn't say 'only', I said primarily.

In this thread, you claimed that fruit has zero nutritional value. You also recommended someone go on a "100% red meat diet". So I assumed you meant 'only'.

That is what we are, whether you like or believe it or not.

It's a good thing I'm not mandated to take health or dietary advice from strangers on the Internet.

Evolution/adaptation takes hundreds of thousands, even millions of years.

For an entire civilization, sure. But not for a single lifespan. Or even a generation or two. Evolution has no hard start stop point. It's in constant flux. We are constantly adapting and recalibrating every day. You act as though humans don't have any conscious control over our own evolution, as if we are controlled by the fate of our ancestors. You believe evolution is in control of our trajectory instead of the other way around. That's where you and I disagree. When the mind and body are unified, your system is very malleable to be conditioned for the changes you want.

we'd die out - just like the vegetarian versions of our ancestors did.

Can you tell me who these vegetarian ancestors were who died out? As humans branched out and spanned across the globe and settled in different regions, they adapted to different climates, different cultures, different ways of life. We humans are not a "one size fits all". Thankfully.
Not everyone on the planet adapted to your "100% red meat" lifestyle. There are a couple of African tribes, centuries old, that don't eat much meat. They are still thriving to this very day.

The carnivore community agrees with you, which is why most eat no more than two, but very often only one meal a day.

Are you a member of the "carnivore community? Do you eat only one meal a day? I'm just curious. I fast intermittently. I eat one meal a day, maybe two. Sometimes I fast completely for a couple of days. I don't eat meat every day. I eat it on occasion.

Ruminants are extremely good at filtering out the plant toxins (both naturally occurring and mand added)

I have news for you. Meat also has toxins. You will probably never be 100% toxin free if that is your goal.

originally posted by: KKLOCO
a reply to: JAGStorm

I’ve yet to meat a vegetarian that has proper muscle mass for their body size. They are all very frail looking.

I had a girl friend years ago who along with her mother and sister was vegetarian, and she was far from frail , they were all mad horse riding folk and super healthy

originally posted by: socialmediaclown
a reply to: tanstaafl
In this thread, you claimed that fruit has zero nutritional value.

No, I actually didn't - I said almost no nutritional value. There is a difference.

You also recommended someone go on a "100% red meat diet". So I assumed you meant 'only'.

Yes, I did, but you are the one that said 'only', I said 'mostly'.

It's a good thing I'm not mandated to take health or dietary advice from strangers on the Internet.

Yes, I agree, that would be really stupid.

For an entire civilization, sure. But not for a single lifespan.

So, you believe that human beings can evolve in a single lifespan, or even a generation or two?

Rotflmao!!!

Nope. Doesn't happen. Maybe you are confusing epigenetics with evolution?

There is no question that we human beings can dramatically affect our individual genetic expressions by making changes to our lifestyle, mostly from changing the way we eat, but also by exercising properly, etc.

You act as though humans don't have any conscious control over our own evolution,

Because we don't...

Can you tell me who these vegetarian ancestors were who died out?

All of the non homo-sapiens lines of hominids that preceded the emergence of homo-sapiens - us.

As humans branched out and spanned across the globe and settled in different regions, they adapted to different climates, different cultures, different ways of life.

To an extent this is very true. But homo sapiens evolved into being an obligate hyper-carnivore, and each of these cultures hunted and consumed the meat that they could get wherever they were. Most of it was ruminant (red), but some cultures ate primarily seafood (e.g., tropical island cultures).

We humans are not a "one size fits all". Thankfully.

Thankfully, you're essentially wrong.

As with every other species on the planet, we - homo sapiens - have a species specific, proper diet, and that is obligate hyper carnivore. You will find that all homo sapiens do extremely well on an all red meat diet. It wasn't until the introduction of modern agriculture that we started developing the modern diseases that are destroying our species today. In fact, it wasn't until the introduction of modern agriculture 8-15,000 years ago (depending on the location examined) that our health started deteriorating from eating far more plants than we should.

In fact, modern day heart disease simply didn't exist until about a hundred years ago, shortly after the introduction of seed oils into our diets.

Not everyone on the planet adapted to your "100% red meat" lifestyle. There are a couple of African tribes, centuries old, that don't eat much meat. They are still thriving to this very day.

I guess that depends on your definition of thriving. When compared to other tribes in the areas that do eat primarily animal foods (meat and fat), they are far less healthy and shorter lived.

Are you a member of the "carnivore community?

Why yes - yes I am. Join us! [sarc]Membership only costs $1,000/month, and all that is required is a death pledge that you will never, ever eat anything ever again that doesn't come from an animal, on pain of death. In addition, you also get 5 1lb beef patties every month, as long as you provide the required monthly blood tests proving you haven't eaten any plant foods.[/sarc]

Do you eat only one meal a day?

Generally yes. Like you I sometimes eat two, but my eating window is never more than 6 hours.

Sometimes I fast completely for a couple of days.

I used to do occasional water fasting - longest was 33 days - but now I do much shorter dry fasts (I only do soft dry fasts, as recommended by the Russians who developed these dry fasting protocols), sometimes 1, 2 or 3 days , sometimes 5, and I'm planning on starting to do a 7 day dry fast twice a year. Note: No one should attempt dry fasts longer than 3 days without serious study of the process, and especially how to properly break a fast, and no one should ever EVER attempt an 11 day dry fast without clinical supervision.

I'm also planning on going to a dry fasting clinic and doing an 11 day supervised dry fast just to experience it, and I may or may not do more after t hat, but if I did, it wouldn't be more often than maybe every 5 years or so.

I don't eat meat every day. I eat it on occasion.

I eat it every day, sometimes 1-1.5lb ribeye, sometimes a 1lb 50/50 beef patty with 6 eggs cooked with the leftover fat, but I always eat all of the fat from the cooking process.

I have news for you. Meat also has toxins

Grass fed/finished - especially born/raised on a regenerative farm? Nope. Not a single toxin, other than whatever micro toxins that they are exposed to in this modern world we live in, but the amounts are likely not even measurable with the tools we have available today, but even if they are/were, it pales into pure insignificance when compared to the toxins found in all plant foods. As for commercially processed foods - especially the totally toxic seed oils that are in all processed foods and that most people use for cooking every day - well, that is a whole nother level of toxic.

You will probably never be 100% toxin free if that is your goal.

When limiting your food to only that which is proper for humans, your body is easily able to detoxify itself and maintain essentially a 100% toxin free state.