Meat equals Prosperity

I like veggies and bread, but get bound up if I eat a lot of them...other than potatoes which have little effect on constipation for me. I can't eat a real lot of meat anymore because I am a senior citizen, it gives me digestive issues. I can eat quite a bit of fish without any digestive issues usually.

I do a lot better with meat than veggies and carbs but too much red meat causes some digestive issues too. Lately I have not been able to eat as much chicken as I used to, but that is because I am sixty seven too. We buy a half a cow every year from a farmer we know, not cheap, but the grass fed organic beef seems to be less of a problem than grain fed beef. This year the cost hanging weight went up to four dollars and twenty five cents a pound, a quarter more because the farmer has more expenses this year....had to buy hay that is certified organic because they have had a dry summer, we live fourty five miles from them and we have had way more rain than usual. I guess the line is twelve miles away from their farm, plenty of rain on the other side of that line this year.

We do not like the taste of store bought beef anymore and rarely get burgers or steaks if we go to restaurants. Why pay so much to eat commercial beef that has little or no good taste to it. With rising processing fees, our beef costs about eight bucks a pound for hamburger and better beef, and about three bucks a pound for short ribs, and organ meats and meaty soup bones. I figure it is about two thirty a pound for marrow bones and don't figure in anything for the suet even though we process it into tallow every year to use in cooking. The cracklings are pretty tasty when fried too. There is not much waste from our cows but making bone broth from marrow bones takes about eighteen hours of cooking...totally worth the time though, it makes excellent minestrome and french onion soups.

No I am not spoiled, we give away over half of the expensive steaks and roasts, keeping chuck roasts and giving the kids the sirloin tip roasts and the rolled rump roasts. We usually retain the soup bones, bringing the daughters and their families soups instead of giving them the meat. I really do not like t-bones, porterhouses, or rib steaks that much but do like the tenderloins to make stroganoff out of. We give away about half the burger, keeping about forty one and a half pound packages for us.

I could eat fish everyday, but the wife only likes it once a week. She has no problem with metabolizing carbs like I do, so she likes spaghetti and breads more than I do.

The government health agencies know that meat is easier to digest than veggies, but they do not mention that in any literature. They mention that beef increases cancer risk but even though NIH research shows that one hundred percent grass fed beef slightly reduces cancer and coronary risk in most people, they do not repeat that info. The actual reason for that reduction is that grassfed beef is older before it is slaughtered, the growth and sex hormones are less when the cow or bull is older and out of it's growth spurt. The cows that eat a high majority of grasses and graze outside when grass is present also contain a higher more balanced omega three to six ratio and that keeps heart and circulatory system problems down. They have lots of evidence about this and that the fact that grain fed cows fart out more methane because of their food but blast all cows with evidence acquired from commercial beef.

It is hard to believe that our government is doing this, ignoring research because it does not fit their narrative they want us to believe.

I am probably already on some list so I do not care if I tell people the truth anymore.

I am not saying that all people can eat these things, only that this applies to a majority of people. Some people cannot eat fish, others cannot eat beef or pork because they have issues with metabolism or histamine reactions, but the majority of people will do better eating meats than other protein sources like nuts and seeds where there are plant defense chemicals that can cause issues if overconsumed too.

I recommend people start fasting. Condition your body to survive without daily, high caloric intake. Most Americans are overweight and out of shape.

I buy whole cuts on sale. 3.99 for a top round. Roast it. Slice it. Half goes into stroganoff half cuts for roast beef sandwiches. 3.99 is cheaper than 10.99 for precut deli roast. You pay for convenience and most kids can’t cook

a reply to: JAGStorm

I am not a big meat eater. I am not a vegetarian. Though the primary portion of my meals is fruit and vegetables.

Went shopping with sister in law a while back. She bought a bunch of meat, and I bought a fair amount of fruit. Guess who's bill was bigger and who's cart was smaller.

a reply to: rickymouse

The government health agencies know that meat is easier to digest than veggies, but they do not mention that in any literature. They mention that beef increases cancer risk but even though NIH research shows that one hundred percent grass fed beef slightly reduces cancer and coronary risk in most people, they do not repeat that info. The actual reason for that reduction is that grassfed beef is older before it is slaughtered, the growth and sex hormones are less when the cow or bull is older and out of it's growth spurt. The cows that eat a high majority of grasses and graze outside when grass is present also contain a higher more balanced omega three to six ratio and that keeps heart and circulatory system problems down. They have lots of evidence about this and that the fact that grain fed cows fart out more methane because of their food but blast all cows with evidence acquired from commercial beef. It is hard to believe that our government is doing this, ignoring research because it does not fit their narrative they want us to believe.

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Just look at anyone that eats a lot of grass fed beef vs. a high carb eater or vegetarian you’ll know who is healthier with your own two eyes.

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind
a reply to: tanstaafl
Why did you deflect and not answer my question?

I didn't deflect, the question was silly. Ground beef is the cheapest meat you can buy, and if you buy it in bulk from someplace like Costco, or even in large bulk packages at the grocer, you can get it a hell of a lot cheaper than $5/lb no matter where you are.

The subject is not about how much or how little a meal with meat should cost, but about how food prices are going up.

Yes, food prices are going. Even garbage junk food, and extremely unhealthy carb heavy crap.

Was it that hard for you to say what the price of hamburger is where you're located?

Why are you being such a dick? The p[rice fluctuates... constantly... like it does everywhere.

Do you have something to hide?

Of course... the price of hamburger.

Is hamburger a state secret where you're at?

Yes.

Like I said, I think the price of hamburger is not cheap.

So starve.

Yes, I'm being a dick, because you're being a dick.

Especially when I can remember it when it was .69 cents a pound.

Obviously, I like bologna or I wouldn't have paid $7.99 for a pound and a half of it. N'est-ce pas?

So eat balogna, its still meat, and has enough fat to keep you relatively healthy... I think... though I wouldn't know for sure because I haven't checked... because I don't eat it.

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: JAGStorm
Went shopping with sister in law a while back. She bought a bunch of meat, and I bought a fair amount of fruit. Guess who's bill was bigger and who's cart was smaller.

Guess whose cart was far more jam packed with satiating, nutrient dense food that would provide days of real nutrition vs hours of sugar rush?

Fruit is mostly sugar with some intestine damaging fiber (the ratio depending on what fruit it is, how ripe it is, etc).

Fruit has almost zero nutrition and will contribute to heart disease, diabetes and insulin resistance, while a pound of ground beef will provide all of the nutrition you need for an entire day with virtually ZERO wastage.

Most animals that are consumed by humans are herbivores. If their flesh is so healthy, jam-packed with vitamins and minerals, where do they get their nutrients from?


ETA I take that back after reconsidering that the meal of much livestock today is blended with ground up bone and leftover scraps of carcass.


They used to be herbivores. Now they're carnivores.

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind
Here eggs were .69 cents a dozen in 2020.

You've been paying .69 cents (US$) for a dozen eggs??!1
Here in Sweden we've been paying the equivalent of $3.50 for a dozen since 10 years ago, lol.

originally posted by: socialmediaclown
Most animals that are consumed by humans are herbivores. If their flesh is so healthy, jam-packed with vitamins and minerals, where do they get their nutrients from?


ETA I take that back after reconsidering that the meal of much livestock today is blended with ground up bone and leftover scraps of carcass.


They used to be herbivores. Now they're carnivores.

This is why people need to know where their food comes from and a little science…

Cow - Herbivore
Deer & Goat Herbivore (not as commonly eaten)

Chicken/ Fish / Pig Omnivore - all three are wildly consumed and have always been omnivores.

So by your own argument, YES meat is healthy and packed full of nutrients.

originally posted by: socialmediaclown
Most animals that are consumed by humans are herbivores. If their flesh is so healthy, jam-packed with vitamins and minerals, where do they get their nutrients from?

The nutritional value of an animals' meat is not necessarily tied to what it eats. It's general wellbeing or health is related to what it eats, yes. Livestock are fed a variety of nutrient rich feed. This mostly contributes to the flavor and texture of the meat. Nutritional compounds are complex and may be affected by a plethora of aspects.

originally posted by: JAGStorm
while only 22% said the economy is improving. Eighty-four percent of Americans said their cost of living is rising,

I would love to know who that 22% is. I bet diehard Trump haters that if they had a leg cut off they would still say they are OK.

How about this... fast for 3 days then eat 2, rinse, and repeat. It would be good for your body and you would cut way down on your food costs.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: JAGStorm
Went shopping with sister in law a while back. She bought a bunch of meat, and I bought a fair amount of fruit. Guess who's bill was bigger and who's cart was smaller.

Guess whose cart was far more jam packed with satiating, nutrient dense food that would provide days of real nutrition vs hours of sugar rush?

Fruit is mostly sugar with some intestine damaging fiber (the ratio depending on what fruit it is, how ripe it is, etc).

Fruit has almost zero nutrition and will contribute to heart disease, diabetes and insulin resistance, while a pound of ground beef will provide all of the nutrition you need for an entire day with virtually ZERO wastage.

Well either way death is imminent. I have Crohn's disease, the only meat I can eat, and in moderation, without regret is poultry.

I have better luck with fruits and vegetables, but they cost twice as much as meat.

Trust me. I would love meat if it loved me.

I doesn't.

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: JAGStorm
Went shopping with sister in law a while back. She bought a bunch of meat, and I bought a fair amount of fruit. Guess who's bill was bigger and who's cart was smaller.

Guess whose cart was far more jam packed with satiating, nutrient dense food that would provide days of real nutrition vs hours of sugar rush?

Fruit is mostly sugar with some intestine damaging fiber (the ratio depending on what fruit it is, how ripe it is, etc).

Fruit has almost zero nutrition and will contribute to heart disease, diabetes and insulin resistance, while a pound of ground beef will provide all of the nutrition you need for an entire day with virtually ZERO wastage.

Well either way death is imminent. I have Chrons disease, the only meat I can eat, and in moderation, without regret is poultry.

I have better luck with fruits and vegetables, but they cost twice as much as meat.

Trust me. I would love meat if it loved me.

I doesn't.

How about lean beef or lamb/mutton? Not an option for you?
Tofu or beans as a protein substitute?

Chrons is a bit of a b*stard condition to have. I can't even begin to relate.

a reply to: JAGStorm

Discussing only the herbivores for a moment...the general argument I'm seeing in this thread from pro meat consumers is that meat is more nutritional than plants. Is someone going to go tell the grazing deer or cow that they are making themselves sickly and weak because all they're consuming is water and fiber?

a reply to: Kreeate

Nutritional compounds are complex and may be affected by a plethora of aspects.

Such as?

originally posted by: FlyersFan
Can't afford steak.
I miss steak!
Can't afford hamburgers.
I'd LOVE a hamburger drenched in ketchup!
Can't afford fish.
I'd LOVE some ocean sea food!
Eating lots of chicken.
Sick of chicken but at least we can afford it (for now).

So you can get a hamburger from 2.50 to 3.50 a pound, but it can be as high as 8.00 a pound for just a normal 80/20. Walmart is crazy expensive now, and people still shop here. Ground beef was like 7 per pound and a loaf of plain white bread was 3.70.

I buy my meat by the 1/2 cow, grass-fed and it has gone up too, but still under 3.50 bucks a pound for all cuts. Now we are talking 350 pounds of meat, so maybe not a price many want to jump into but think how long 350 pounds would last you and it is all-natural grass-fed.

I used to buy ribeye all the time at Costco at like 6.99 a pound, now it is like 14.00 per pound. I don't want to eat it at 14.00 per pound

originally posted by: socialmediaclown
a reply to: Kreeate

Nutritional compounds are complex and may be affected by a plethora of aspects.

Such as?

Buy and read a biology book.

a reply to: Kreeate

In other words, you don't know.

originally posted by: socialmediaclown
a reply to: Kreeate

In other words, you don't know.

Erm, no. I'm not going to do your homework for you. Onus on you mate. The data is out there.

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