"Grading for Equity" - Portland Schools Mull Banning Zeroes for Cheating and Not Doing Work

originally posted by: quintessentone

What are you a government minion?

So you run a lemonade stand and hire someone to run it for 8 hours per day. You charge 50 cents a cup and the material is 25 cents of that, so how much do you pay the person running it? If you suggest a living wage then we need to increase the cost per cup right? So now we need to sell one cup at 2 bucks and people are like hell no that is too expensive so you close up shop.

You need to figure in the worth of the job in all this too otherwise your McD will be 25 bucks a burger and no one will pay that. wages go up, prices go up, and there is no win except for the new hires that get a wage equal to the ones busting their butts for 10 years.

originally posted by: quintessentone
What incentive does a child have when getting a zero or "F" mark?

The incentive to do better, the incentive not to cheat, so as not to get an F next time. Basic stuff.

a reply to: quintessentone

When you did nothing to earn a grade but are given that grade anyways, what does that teach someone?


Same premise as welfare, if you give people money that don't earn it. They will, likely, never go out and find a job to earn it.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone
What incentive does a child have when getting a zero or "F" mark?

The incentive to do better, the incentive not to cheat, so as not to get an F next time. Basic stuff.

Nope, not according to the experts.

educ.queensu.ca...

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

When you did nothing to earn a grade but are given that grade anyways, what does that teach someone?

If they continue to not to the work they still fail and have to repeat the year. The assessment or grading is done differently so they are not set up to fail.

a reply to: quintessentone
Seriously ?
You ask that ?
I would hope that the answer to your question was self evident and you didn't have to ask .
I would have laughed if that wasn't so sad .

originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: quintessentone
Seriously ?
You ask that ?
I would hope that the answer to your question was self evident and you didn't have to ask .
I would have laughed if that wasn't so sad .

You didn't answer the question.

a reply to: quintessentone

FAILURE HELPS TO LEARN

Ask Edison

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: quintessentone
Seriously ?
You ask that ?
I would hope that the answer to your question was self evident and you didn't have to ask .
I would have laughed if that wasn't so sad .

You didn't answer the question.

I shouldn't have to .
No one should .

But , just cause you didn't know and/or understand....
Self improvement .
Self responsibility .
And a whole lot more dealing with self .
You can even use words like pride in one's self .

Denying Ignorance.
Why ?
Sometimes I just have to , as it is blatant .

originally posted by: quintessentone
Nope, not according to the experts.

Psychology says otherwise. Rewarding bad behavior just makes more bad behavior.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: quintessentone

What are you a government minion?

So you run a lemonade stand and hire someone to run it for 8 hours per day. You charge 50 cents a cup and the material is 25 cents of that, so how much do you pay the person running it? If you suggest a living wage then we need to increase the cost per cup right? So now we need to sell one cup at 2 bucks and people are like hell no that is too expensive so you close up shop.

You need to figure in the worth of the job in all this too otherwise your McD will be 25 bucks a burger and no one will pay that. wages go up, prices go up, and there is no win except for the new hires that get a wage equal to the ones busting their butts for 10 years.

With more disposable income people will buy more lemonade.

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

FAILURE HELPS TO LEARN

Ask Edison

Adults yes, not children.

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: quintessentone
Seriously ?
You ask that ?
I would hope that the answer to your question was self evident and you didn't have to ask .
I would have laughed if that wasn't so sad .

You didn't answer the question.

I shouldn't have to .
No one should .

You are wasting my time.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone
Nope, not according to the experts.

Psychology says otherwise. Rewarding bad behavior just makes more bad behavior.

This is not rewarding behaviour this is eliminating punishment and replacing it with other strategies.

originally posted by: quintessentone
This is not rewarding behaviour this is eliminating punishment and replacing it with other strategies.

Eliminating the F that they earned through their own behavior is a reward.
Give them the F. Give them counseling. It's very simple.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: quintessentone
Seriously ?
You ask that ?
I would hope that the answer to your question was self evident and you didn't have to ask .
I would have laughed if that wasn't so sad .

You didn't answer the question.

I shouldn't have to .
No one should .

You are wasting my time.

Read my edit.
You are wasting yours.
And , like I stated , the answer should have been readily evident to you .
With no need to ask .

originally posted by: quintessentone
Adults yes, not children.

Everyone learns from failure. If you do something and it doesn't work, then you don't do it again. That's learning from failure. Basic psychology. Evolutionary psychology.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone
Adults yes, not children.

Everyone learns from failure. If you do something and it doesn't work, then you don't do it again. That's learning from failure. Basic psychology. Evolutionary psychology.

Some folks never "get it"
They feel the need for a "give me" society .

Enough reading, time for a class video.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone
You are guessing what this plan will do because it is not yet implemented for anyone to make any assessment.

That's not guesswork. That's a fact. That's exactly what it does ... rewarding bad behavior means more bad behavior. This doesn't do the child any favors.

It is not rewarding bad behaviour, it is identifying and strategizing how to help 'all' children succeed.

Help them succeed at what , exactly ?
Filling out a welfare form ?
Bush and his ridiculous "no child left behind" bullsh__ is the reason the US is lagging behind the world in education standards.
The word for today is "incentive"

What incentive does a child have when getting a zero or "F" mark?

You still don't get it , do you ?
The word for today is "incentive" , in regard to self improvement and self reliance .

Denying ignorance .
Why ?
Wow , just wow ...