"Grading for Equity" - Portland Schools Mull Banning Zeroes for Cheating and Not Doing Work

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: network dude

Can you read the article and other studies so you can understand what all of this entails?

This will be bastardized and children will learn less except those that apply themselves. What has worked for years has been deemed antiquated. We will therefore get some system that allows everyone to graduate over a long enough time period.

May those graduates be your doctor and caregiver.

originally posted by: wdkirk

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: network dude

Can you read the article and other studies so you can understand what all of this entails?

This will be bastardized and children will learn less except those that apply themselves. What has worked for years has been deemed antiquated. We will therefore get some system that allows everyone to graduate over a long enough time period.

May those graduates be your doctor and caregiver.

Well they may eventually get it right, but it's better than doing nothing.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: wdkirk

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: network dude

Can you read the article and other studies so you can understand what all of this entails?

This will be bastardized and children will learn less except those that apply themselves. What has worked for years has been deemed antiquated. We will therefore get some system that allows everyone to graduate over a long enough time period.

May those graduates be your doctor and caregiver.

Well they may eventually get it right, but it's better than doing nothing.

Is it? Is it better? We will see.

a reply to: quintessentone

Memorization vs "mastering" is up to the individual

All a broader timeframe does is give more room for procrastination and in the end, those that would have missed the original deadline, will surely miss the extended one.

I have read the information you posted, none of it shows the real world experience of people that have gone through this more recently than most of the people either doing the study, or people like you that are reliant on the study.

Real world experience will always win out over a controlled study, in every way you can think of. And if you don't realize that, then you should take a step out of your echo chamber and take a breath in reality where the rest of us live and learn every day.

The fact that people like you are wanting to make school easier to pass for those that would normally fail on their own says a lot about you. Take a minute to really read this saying and think about what it means:

"Hard times create strong men, strong men create easy times, easy times create weak men, weak men create hard times."

We are definitely getting to be, as a society, towards the end of that "timeline". Actions like the ones you are so hard up for, are the reason we are going to hit the end sooner rather than later.

a reply to: quintessentone

So, you would honestly prefer someone who took, lets say, 18 years of schooling to get through primary education over someone who did it in the standard 12?

Taking 1/3 the time longer to do something does not always mean it was done better.

And guess what, those kids that take 18 years to finish are going to do a lot of failing during their time and that failing will lead to them learning. If people like you hadn't coddled them their entire way through school, they would have learned that lesson a lot sooner and would have learned a lot more, with a lot more substance behind it.

a reply to: PorkChop96

There certainly is real world experience and I posted one teenager's experience with this program with was a success for her, it's posted back a little ways.

a reply to: quintessentone

1 persons' testimony does not make a program viable.

Decades of people learning, failing, and succeeding on the program that is in place now shows that there is nothing wrong with how it works. Soft ass people that can't put in effort and do the work that was required of them and everyone that went through it before them are the problem.

Yes, the education system is screwed, just like all others in this country. But, pass/fail grading has been here longer than you and I have been around and it was only recently that people had a problem with it. The same people that demand a participation trophy, student loan forgiveness, handouts at every turn, and will probably live in mommy and daddies basement until they turn 30.

Now, for those of us that went through school on a pass/fail system and made it out just fine that have no problem working hard for what we want, failing along the way and learning from those failures, we will be here to watch how the younger generations keep going down the #ter and regressing into someone who can't succeed in life without someone holding their hand every step of the way.

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

1 persons' testimony does not make a program viable.

Decades of people learning, failing, and succeeding on the program that is in place now shows that there is nothing wrong with how it works. Soft ass people that can't put in effort and do the work that was required of them and everyone that went through it before them are the problem.

Yes, the education system is screwed, just like all others in this country. But, pass/fail grading has been here longer than you and I have been around and it was only recently that people had a problem with it. The same people that demand a participation trophy, student loan forgiveness, handouts at every turn, and will probably live in mommy and daddies basement until they turn 30.

Now, for those of us that went through school on a pass/fail system and made it out just fine that have no problem working hard for what we want, failing along the way and learning from those failures, we will be here to watch how the younger generations keep going down the #ter and regressing into someone who can't succeed in life without someone holding their hand every step of the way.

If you bother to research you will come across a treasure trove of positive reviews from teachers, school officials and most importantly students. Go have at it.

a reply to: quintessentone

If you just want to say you have no other "evidence" to support your bogus claims you can, no shame in it

Lax standards, or complete lack of standards, create weak unviable excuses for adults. Those that can't stand up to standards that have been in place for decades, they should just go ahead and drop out now and go back to their parents basements.

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

If you just want to say you have no other "evidence" to support your bogus claims you can, no shame in it

Lax standards, or complete lack of standards, create weak unviable excuses for adults. Those that can't stand up to standards that have been in place for decades, they should just go ahead and drop out now and go back to their parents basements.

Lax is what you are doing right now by not bothering to do the research - that is where the shame is.

a reply to: quintessentone

My years of FIRST HAND experience is going to say way more to me than some dumbass that wants to make school easier for the lazy POS that doesn't want to do the work.

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

My years of FIRST HAND experience is going to say way more to me than some dumbass that wants to make school easier for the lazy POS that doesn't want to do the work.

Exactly, you don't want to know the reality of anyone else's first hand experience.

a reply to: quintessentone

The program you have been referring to is not based in reality, it is based in clown world where everyone gets a free ride and doesn't have to put forth any effort to achieve the same things that those of us that have a work ethic have had to work hard for.

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

The program you have been referring to is not based in reality, it is based in clown world where everyone gets a free ride and doesn't have to put forth any effort to achieve the same things that those of us that have a work ethic have had to work hard for.

Well that's judging a non-implemented plan, so where is your basis in reality and facts?

a reply to: quintessentone

You talk about a non-implemented plan as if "no child left behind" hasnt been around for years, even though you have brought it up in this thread many times

no child left behind is the same as this new "plan" and neither one of them have, or are going to, work out in the long run.

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

You talk about a non-implemented plan as if "no child left behind" hasnt been around for years, even though you have brought it up in this thread many times

no child left behind is the same as this new "plan" and neither one of them have, or are going to, work out in the long run.

Well implementing new plans and strategies is a duty IMO and not leaving things the way they are, which are not working for the benefit of children.

a reply to: quintessentone

Again, the only children this is "benefiting" are those that fail under the current ways due to lack of effort and GAF

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

Again, the only children this is "benefiting" are those that fail under the current ways due to lack of effort and GAF

Shortsighted and incorrect, learning is not a one size fits all prospect.

a reply to: quintessentone

Has been for decades, but now that a few are whining and complaining, it's a problem?

Not sure how long it has been since you were last in a public school system, I'm sure quite a while longer than it has been for me, but I can tell you the system is not what is hurting these kids. They themselves are to blame for them not succeeding in life. They have no drive, no ambition, no motivation to do anything more than sit around and skate by on ridiculous "plans" like the one you are trying to push so hard.

As I have stated before, the ones failing in school now, will still fail under your "plan" and will end up being a drain on society and then what? Come up with another way to make school easier for those that don't care to be there in the first place?

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

Has been for decades, but now that a few are whining and complaining, it's a problem?

Not sure how long it has been since you were last in a public school system, I'm sure quite a while longer than it has been for me, but I can tell you the system is not what is hurting these kids. They themselves are to blame for them not succeeding in life. They have no drive, no ambition, no motivation to do anything more than sit around and skate by on ridiculous "plans" like the one you are trying to push so hard.

As I have stated before, the ones failing in school now, will still fail under your "plan" and will end up being a drain on society and then what? Come up with another way to make school easier for those that don't care to be there in the first place?

And this is how well it has been working for decades...

The United States isn't investing as much in human capital as other developed countries and its comparative advantage is falling behind as a result. U.S. students' math skills have remained stagnant for decades. The country is falling behind many others which have greatly improved, such as Japan, Poland, and Ireland. U.S. test scores are below the global average.

www.thebalancemoney.com...

Here's that pesky perception vs. reality thing again.

Perception vs. Reality

Some Americans see no problem with the state of U.S. education. Nearly half of those who participated in an Associated Press poll said in 2008 that American students’ achievement test scores were the same as or better than those of children in other industrialized nations. But 90% of them did recognize that education helps economic growth.

The U.S. ranks near the bottom in a survey of students’ math skills in 30 industrialized countries and many Americans are in denial. The same survey showed that one-third believed their own schools were excellent, but only one-sixth believed the same of other schools. The states that are the poorest have lower education scores. This cycle creates structural inequality.