A store owner was killed over a Pride flag she flew in front of her California business

a reply to: Vroomfondel

Why is it okay to burn our Nation's flag but a hate crime to burn a rainbow flag? Isn't the whole rainbow thing about accepting people as they are? Why cant the lgbt-whatever groups accept people who disagree with their agenda? Where is the acceptance? Where is the tolerance?

The difference between burning a nation's flag and a PRIDE flag is that burning a pride flag is directed towards a group of people. Whereas, burning a national flag is directed towards a nation.
Additionally, LGBTQ groups were opressed for many years and had to deal with incredible amount of hatred towards them. For most of history, people are generally patriotic, or at least do not hate their own country. Some edge-lord burning a flag doesn't really do much.

You ask why lbgt-whatever groups can't accept people who disagree with them? Well, why can't some right wing groups accept people who choose to live a differn't lifestyle?

We should at least agree to disagree and respect each other. However, if the right can't respect LGBTQ beliefs, then don't expect them to respect your belief to disagree with it.

I agree the left is intolerant much of the time. But the right isn't much better.

This kind of stuff is what happends when both sides start embracing far-left or far-right views that are often completely intolerant of others.

And its very easy for media and us in general to take these far-left and far-right people and put them on a pedestal; claiming they represent the majority of people.

The majority of people aren't for transexual surgery for 6 year olds, the majority of people aren't for hurting or insulting people simply for being LGBTQ, the majority of people aren't worried about transgender bathrooms or PRIDE flags.

Again, these are wedge issues that spark the crazies to come out, and we take these wedge issues that have little impact on everyday people's lives and blow them up.

a reply to: Vroomfondel

People should have the freedom to burn whatever flag they want.

I won't like it, but I'll defend it.

And that's coming from a vet.

originally posted by: Turquosie
a reply to: Vroomfondel

Why is it okay to burn our Nation's flag but a hate crime to burn a rainbow flag? Isn't the whole rainbow thing about accepting people as they are? Why cant the lgbt-whatever groups accept people who disagree with their agenda? Where is the acceptance? Where is the tolerance?

The difference between burning a nation's flag and a PRIDE flag is....

There is no difference. Either you believe in the equal application of freedom of expression, or you don't.

There is no gray area here.

originally posted by: Mahogany

They got him, but it's too late. A husband and nine children are now without a family member, because some idiot fell for the political outrage over the LGBTQ community and decided the answer was to kill someone in broad daylight.

How do we stop this? Should we hold the politicians responsible for stoking the flames and enabling this?

Was it over the pride flag that is in most businesses there? Seems he had a lot of issues as he also fought the police to his death. Is there anything in this story that even remotely suggests this man is anywhere near the majority of everyone for or against the pride flag?

originally posted by: TheMindOfMax
Unfortunately, homophobia exists,

I disagree, not supporting the alphabet culture doesn't suggest one is against people's choices. To not support doesn't suggest some form of phobia either, it just means their sexual lifestyle is not agreed on at some level.

In this case, I would bet this crazy guy was yelling at a lot of things, but hey let's pick out some comments about the pride flag as the reason, I would almost bet it had little to do with the pride flag, he could just go after people actually a part of the pride flag if it was at some point unhinged by it.

originally posted by: CrawlingChaos


There is no difference. Either you believe in the equal application of freedom of expression, or you don't.

There is no gray area here.

What the hell are you talking about here..lol Freedom of speech is at the Government level, people can agree or not agree on expression. or speech. The whole thing is grey as we are all different. The biggest complainers are liberals about all this anyways, so maybe they should check themselves first. Pride Month was almost a level of fascism as businesses were basically "convinced" to support it...or else... So, there are wrongs on all sides...Not sure why liberals like to take good ideas and just spin them into something unrecognizable as it all was in the beginning.

a reply to: Xtrozero

You're probably confused, because the comment wasn't directed to you, but to the person i quoted. Who stated one act should be a hate crime and the same act in another hand is "expression".

Also, i am not a Liberal.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Vroomfondel

People should have the freedom to burn whatever flag they want.

I won't like it, but I'll defend it.

And that's coming from a vet.

I get the freedom part, but, you never have enough freedom to break the law.
link

I also served, and thank you for your service.

a reply to: Xtrozero

This assessment is very correct. There could have been an issue where he was in the store or outside. Not like the media would hide that or anything...

originally posted by: Turquosie
a reply to: Vroomfondel

Why is it okay to burn our Nation's flag but a hate crime to burn a rainbow flag? Isn't the whole rainbow thing about accepting people as they are? Why cant the lgbt-whatever groups accept people who disagree with their agenda? Where is the acceptance? Where is the tolerance?

The difference between burning a nation's flag and a PRIDE flag is that burning a pride flag is directed towards a group of people. Whereas, burning a national flag is directed towards a nation.
Additionally, LGBTQ groups were opressed for many years and had to deal with incredible amount of hatred towards them. For most of history, people are generally patriotic, or at least do not hate their own country. Some edge-lord burning a flag doesn't really do much.

You ask why lbgt-whatever groups can't accept people who disagree with them? Well, why can't some right wing groups accept people who choose to live a differn't lifestyle?

We should at least agree to disagree and respect each other. However, if the right can't respect LGBTQ beliefs, then don't expect them to respect your belief to disagree with it.

I agree the left is intolerant much of the time. But the right isn't much better.

This kind of stuff is what happends when both sides start embracing far-left or far-right views that are often completely intolerant of others.

And its very easy for media and us in general to take these far-left and far-right people and put them on a pedestal; claiming they represent the majority of people.

The majority of people aren't for transexual surgery for 6 year olds, the majority of people aren't for hurting or insulting people simply for being LGBTQ, the majority of people aren't worried about transgender bathrooms or PRIDE flags.

Again, these are wedge issues that spark the crazies to come out, and we take these wedge issues that have little impact on everyday people's lives and blow them up.

Burning our flag is disrespecting everything and everyone this nation stands for. Its not a protected right, its a criminal act. See 18 US code 700

Why cant right wing groups accept people who choose to live a different lifestyle?

There is so much wrong with that one sentence. First, you are defining anyone who doesn't accept and approve of that lifestyle as "right wing". That tarnishes and intentionally limits the scope of the resistance to that lifestyle. It is far more than just "right wing". Look at what is happening to companies like Bud and CMT right now. If that is just the "right wingers" then there are a hell of a lot more of us than there are of the other guys. And if that is the case, please explain how basement boy got 81 million votes...

Second, I and most people I know are not opposed to or unwilling to accept that some people may want to live a different lifestyle than my own. I really couldn't care less. Until that lifestyle is being promoted to vulnerable impressionable children during their formative years, without the knowledge or consent of their parents. I will oppose that with every fiber of my being until the day I die. That doesn't make me a right winger. It makes me a concerned parent who wants to protect his children from predators and perversions at least until they are old enough to decide for themselves if they want to learn about it or not.

I respect their right to the lifestyle. I do not respect their approach to MY children, the school system, or community in general. They preach for hours on end about freedom to choose, then scream their fool heads off when someone "chooses" not to do business with them.

The left is intolerant all the time. I cant think of one example of the left willing to compromise. There is no compromise there. Example: if someone on the right doesn't want to buy a gun, he doesn't buy one. If someone on the left doesn't want to buy a gun, he doesn't buy one - but you cant buy one either. Thats a big difference...

My views are not far-right. Recent events have proven beyond any shadow of doubt that traditional views, my views, are more mainstream than the gibbering left agenda.

Yes it is easy to put them on a pedestal and claim they represent the majority. But, one of them is correct in that statement. And you can ask Bud and CMT who they think that is.

Your "majority of people" statements are convenient, but a little off the mark.
The majority of people:
disagree with transexual surgery for 6 year olds. Agreed, but, all of the right disagree, only part of the left.
aren't for hurting or insulting people for being lgbt. Agreed.
aren't worried about bathrooms or pride flags. Disagree. The bathrooms/locker rooms are one of the places the threat becomes a reality. Any flag that symbolizes separation of people into distinct groups, then demands inclusion as part of the whole is contradictory at best.

When there are children being indoctrinated in secret clubs kept confidential from their parents how can you say it has no impact on everyday peoples lives? Who do you think these children belong to?

These are not just wedge issues. These are issues. And if you are looking for crazy, look at the man in a dress who claims than when he changed clothes he changed gender as well. Or how about the people who are in favor of gay pornography in elementary school libraries? Check democrat Wisconsin on that issue.

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Vroomfondel

People should have the freedom to burn whatever flag they want.

I won't like it, but I'll defend it.

And that's coming from a vet.

I get the freedom part, but, you never have enough freedom to break the law.
link

I also served, and thank you for your service.

originally posted by: Vroomfondel
Why cant right wing groups accept people who choose to live a different lifestyle?

I agree bad statement...

I think we all agree there is a difference between just accepting and then having the whole alphabet community thrust in one's face on many levels, right? They need to ask why is there pushback all of a sudden after decades of zero pushback.

My neighbors are an old gay couple and they are cringing away too from much of the madness pushed on everyone. I agree most are not like the one poster suggests, but why is the progressive left pushing the extremes on everyone including the LGBTQ community? Lesbians being canx for not wanting to have a relationship with a trans female. Many LGBTQ disagrees that children should be able to change their sex at some young age and medically change.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Thats exactly it. There cant be a push-back without that first push.

If the lgbt whatever community would stop forcing it on people, especially children, I bet a lot of the problems would just evaporate in a puff of common sense.

a reply to: Threadbare

Why don't you include the rest of the words following the 'but' you think is going to try to justify anything. Cherry Picking is a form of deception, you know.... and you picked one lousy WORD. Here is what the rest said:

"But there are consequences when such extreme ideologies clash with each other. It's too bad we can't all just 'get along' but humans throughout time have found some...."

This doesn't justify murder, it explains the social conflict that creates tension that leads to this sort of thing.

a reply to: pthena

Stochastic Terrorism ..... hmmmmm sounds like what MSL S D and the rest of the leftist echo chamber is doing to Trump and Trump supporters..

a reply to: pthena

Do you really believe that people on the right get their reality from the media? But the left dont? I'm not sure why the group of humans that are not capable of observing reality and forming opinions without the media's help would be limited to left/right positions.

I don't watch any media 3 hrs a day. I sample all media sources on youtube.

Killed my cable over a decade ago. No media outlet gets money that I don't pay for directly and I dont' pay for opinion news.

a reply to: CoyoteAngels

MSL S D

I don't know what that is.
Major Soccer League San Diego?

a reply to: CoyoteAngels

Do you really believe that people on the right get their reality from the media?

I sample all media sources on youtube.

What if youtube is media?

a reply to: pthena

We all are using the same sources then, unless you have an inside, so I wouldn't be slandering 'right wingers'.

a reply to: CoyoteAngels

Okay.
Yeah. No inside info.