David Grusch: A Modern Hero Defying the System, Unmasking the Truth

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
a reply to: FingerMan

you are over complicating this whole thing mate.

The simple answer is often the right one . That simple answer being the information has been declassified and he was instructed to release it .

Unfortunately, it seems there is a large swath of people that would shoot the messenger, even if he brings fortune.

Welcome to the internet.

You are so right! There are no UFO/UAPs, and there are no NHI's.
This is all an orchestrated ploy to scare the Russians and Chinese that we have super weapons, because there is no evidence whatsoever of any other worldly things afoot.

I know if you give one of those "matey" trolls some attention they'll keep coming back. But, not only will I not reply to this one again, I won't even read his posts.

originally posted by: introufo
You know the interface between the DoD and Elizondo, and now the DoD and Grusch may be all a production worthy of consideration for the next Hollywood Oscar show...

Elizondo, Act 1:

Angry whistleblower yet so dedicated to his NDA only exposes something that has been around for years, the Nimitz video.

Grusch, Act II:

Angry full-fledged “Whistleblower” with the really scary stuff, unlike Elizondo, goes for the spooky real esoteric ufo glitz and glitter, even murders and even brings his wife into it!

Both seem to be still in love with the DoD and so dedicated to their NDAs won’t really go against them...revealing absolutely nothing new, just things we already knew.

Expect a forked-tongue response from the Pentagon similar to the double-speaking response to Elizondo...

Both have punching bags amongst the DoD mob: Elizondo had Ms. Gough, and now Grusch has Killpatrick to kick around...


Act III ought to be a really big show.

Even when faced with a piece of truth that could bolster one of their theories, they'll immediately conclude it's another conspiracy/psyop. It seems there's no evidence sufficient to sway them from their fixed beliefs, as they appear to be comfortable dwelling in a realm of incomprehensible conspiracy.

a reply to: FingerMan

Even when faced with a piece of truth that could bolster one of their theories, they'll immediately conclude it's another conspiracy/psyop. It seems there's no evidence sufficient to sway them from their fixed beliefs, as they appear to be comfortable dwelling in a realm of incomprehensible conspiracy

Even when faced with the conclusion of four experts in behavioral psychology with no axe to grind on the subject you still just have to believe.

originally posted by: FingerMan

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
a reply to: FingerMan

you are over complicating this whole thing mate.

The simple answer is often the right one . That simple answer being the information has been declassified and he was instructed to release it .

Unfortunately, it seems there is a large swath of people that would shoot the messenger, even if he brings fortune.

Welcome to the internet.

You are so right! There are no UFO/UAPs, and there are no NHI's.
This is all an orchestrated ploy to scare the Russians and Chinese that we have super weapons, because there is no evidence whatsoever of any other worldly things afoot.

I know if you give one of those "matey" trolls some attention they'll keep coming back. But, not only will I not reply to this one again, I won't even read his posts.

I'm agreeing with you , you moron. I don't think he is lying.

a reply to: midicon

100%

I have ALWAYS thought of the videos as pure snake oil salesmen.
Regardless if I agree with their assessment or not. The field is pure bologna for me.

a reply to: midicon

Thanks for that YouTube.

But I offer the believers a very simple proposition:

THEY DON’T DESERVE BELIEF.

How many times do they have to lie to you before you realize they can't be trusted to tell the truth?

Or understand they can’t be trusted.

a reply to: midicon

Another thing that bothers me about these EXPERT FACE READERS, is that they ALL have different views.
To me they are very narcissistic, wanting attention - and that is probably to promote themselves to pay bills.

I will always trust my own intuition and instincts over anything anybody says.
I will take facts into consideration strongly.

It is challenging mind acrobatics to try and understand why conspiracy theorists would consider David Grusch's disclosure a psyop to make people think the US Gov't has UFOs and NHI's, when in fact these SAME conspiracy theorists believe the US Gov't are hiding the fact that they possess UFOs and NHIs. Doing the loop de loop in my head to come to a conclusion is impossible.
For me it is like victim culture, where they look at everything and at everyone to find something offensive.

It is childish and definitely a form of mental/sociopathic illness to have trust issues this bad.

An interesting report on the thread topic.

originally posted by: FingerMan
In clash that I believe will ultimately favor David Grusch.
Peace!

People make it out as if Grusch is going against the Pentagon, world governments, and the most powerful people. He's not, that is a misnomer.

If what he says stems from any sort of truth... then his notions are backwards and he will not be opposing people in high places.

His opponent is e.t.


The things he speaks of wouldn't have fallen prey to us. They're not held captive by any human or it's infrastructures. That's fundamentally impossible.

His portrayal suggests we are superior, smarter, advanced enough to back-engineer their tech. How daft are we to believe such tripe? There's still languages and cultures from earth's past we still cannot figure out... Yet we can't understand and decipher beings a 500-1000 years ahead of us (based on the kardeshev scale)?

If these advanced beings made it here... they're already in absolute control. And regularly time travel to modify pasts and the future. (Perhaps the Mandela Effect is being utilized regularly?)

Why build a superiority complex?

Because... eventually it will become plain as day and if people no longer believe in something, reality becomes altered. The entirety of mankind's thought is God. It is earth. If extraterrestrials showed themselves publicly for everyone to truly believe... they will stand no chance. We will have obtained "the knowledge of good and evil".

The power to destroy is also the power to create. Mankind has nuclear weapons...
Mankind kills and creates via thought... All day, everyday...
We make ourselves in our own image = your children, they're your image
We are organic, we are the earth...
The earth constantly kills and remakes herself... As does man and his things, family, self.

They're here to dumb us down. Keep us from leaving our planet. They do not allow us to see all the space-faring beings in constant battle. We can create religions... Adapt.... Evolve thought into anything.

a reply to: midicon

It be interesting to see a follow up Body Language Analysis of Grusch from the congressional hearing….

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originally posted by: FingerMan
a reply to: midicon

Another thing that bothers me about these EXPERT FACE READERS, is that they ALL have different views.
To me they are very narcissistic, wanting attention - and that is probably to promote themselves to pay bills.

I will always trust my own intuition and instincts over anything anybody says.
I will take facts into consideration strongly.

It is challenging mind acrobatics to try and understand why conspiracy theorists would consider David Grusch's disclosure a psyop to make people think the US Gov't has UFOs and NHI's, when in fact these SAME conspiracy theorists believe the US Gov't are hiding the fact that they possess UFOs and NHIs. Doing the loop de loop in my head to come to a conclusion is impossible.
For me it is like victim culture, where they look at everything and at everyone to find something offensive.

It is childish and definitely a form of mental/sociopathic illness to have trust issues this bad.

Rather than go all in it might be better to be a little more cautious. Grusch's interview behaviour was strange. They hadn't seen anything like him before. It wasn't all about facial expression, it was also about his response to questions.

I doubt you watched that video. When he is asked anything specific he wanders off topic and sadly the interviewer lets him.
When he is asked about say 'craft' recovered he wanders off into the periodic table and gives nothing at all about crafts really. When asked did any humans ever die, he nods then wanders off into a vague over the years sort of nonsense. The analysts analyse his replies and he gives nothing really, that's my point. Grusch brings nothing concrete and nothing new.
His whole demeanour and body language are strange, something is amiss with that guy that's why I suggest caution.

Anyway I've said my piece good luck with the thread.

originally posted by: midicon

originally posted by: FingerMan
a reply to: midicon

Another thing that bothers me about these EXPERT FACE READERS, is that they ALL have different views.
To me they are very narcissistic, wanting attention - and that is probably to promote themselves to pay bills.

I will always trust my own intuition and instincts over anything anybody says.
I will take facts into consideration strongly.

It is challenging mind acrobatics to try and understand why conspiracy theorists would consider David Grusch's disclosure a psyop to make people think the US Gov't has UFOs and NHI's, when in fact these SAME conspiracy theorists believe the US Gov't are hiding the fact that they possess UFOs and NHIs. Doing the loop de loop in my head to come to a conclusion is impossible.
For me it is like victim culture, where they look at everything and at everyone to find something offensive.

It is childish and definitely a form of mental/sociopathic illness to have trust issues this bad.

Rather than go all in it might be better to be a little more cautious. Grusch's interview behaviour was strange. They hadn't seen anything like him before. It wasn't all about facial expression, it was also about his response to questions.

I doubt you watched that video. When he is asked anything specific he wanders off topic and sadly the interviewer lets him.
When he is asked about say 'craft' recovered he wanders off into the periodic table and gives nothing at all about crafts really. When asked did any humans ever die, he nods then wanders off into a vague over the years sort of nonsense. The analysts analyse his replies and he gives nothing really, that's my point. Grusch brings nothing concrete and nothing new.
His whole demeanour and body language are strange, something is amiss with that guy that's why I suggest caution.

Anyway I've said my piece good luck with the thread.

I concur that it is very sad that specifics were not drawn out of him by the interviewers, although to be fair, if he was mind wandering off then it would have been futile to begin with.

originally posted by: FingerMan
In my personal view, we owe a great deal of appreciation to David Grusch. It's hard to fathom the immense bravery he displayed by undertaking actions unprecedented for someone in his position.

Just a day before his testimony before Congress, it appeared to me that Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick, the current head of AARO, might become his most formidable adversary. In my perspective, anyone even slightly connected to these programs should be regarded as a lifelong intelligence officer - completely subservient to the ethos of the senior intelligence authorities. Generally, individuals in such roles would never risk their future, careers, or their own and their families' safety to disclose this kind of information to the public.

But David Grusch proves to be an exception to this rule. He seems resistant to their influence. Ordinarily, one would expect him to succumb to the pressure, but Grusch's intelligence is palpable and he's likely too astute to be manipulated.

Grusch's actions have put Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick in an extremely precarious situation. Kirkpatrick is now perceived as a representative for those who wish to suppress the truth. Grusch has indirectly, but noticeably, implied this. I was pondering this very thought the day prior to the hearing and, as anticipated, Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick has already retaliated. If you're interested, click the link below to view Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick's attempt to undermine the substance of what Mr. Grusch brought before Congress.

Therefore, we should brace ourselves for a clash, a clash that I believe will ultimately favor David Grusch. My optimism stems from Grusch's superior intellect. I can't help but think Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick is engaged in a simpler game, like checkers, while David Grusch is already five steps ahead in a complex game of chess.

David Grusch is a man of strategy. He assessed the risks, considered all possible scenarios, and prepared himself well in advance to counter any offensive moves.

It's essential to recognize that David Grusch's actions require a level of courage that many of us lack. In any way possible, we must show our support for Mr. Grusch. Even if our support is only moral and expressed through internet postings, it counts. The media have apparently sought to downplay what could potentially be the biggest scandal and story of our time, or even in history. This could not have been possible without David Grusch. He has reinvigorated the community that is demanding the release of this concealed information, thereby inspiring others to muster the courage to reveal more.

I've always speculated that these phenomena might be angels, or fallen angels, and the recently leaked information endorsing his statements about interdimensional beings or bioengineered entities, possibly physical vessels for such beings, is fascinating and invites us to explore myriad possibilities.

RETALIATION ATTEMPT BY DR. KIRKPATRICK TO TURN THE NARRATIVE

Peace!

You know he was briefed by the Feds before his testimony , right ?
This is all planned disinformation to hide terrestrial technology under the guise of little green men .
The only contact with other beings is done in a esoteric occult manner & zero aliens have visited earth imo .

originally posted by: SmallusDickus

originally posted by: FingerMan
In clash that I believe will ultimately favor David Grusch.
Peace!

People make it out as if Grusch is going against the Pentagon, world governments, and the most powerful people. He's not, that is a misnomer.

If what he says stems from any sort of truth... then his notions are backwards and he will not be opposing people in high places.

His opponent is e.t.


The things he speaks of wouldn't have fallen prey to us. They're not held captive by any human or it's infrastructures. That's fundamentally impossible.

His portrayal suggests we are superior, smarter, advanced enough to back-engineer their tech. How daft are we to believe such tripe? There's still languages and cultures from earth's past we still cannot figure out... Yet we can't understand and decipher beings a 500-1000 years ahead of us (based on the kardeshev scale)?

If these advanced beings made it here... they're already in absolute control. And regularly time travel to modify pasts and the future. (Perhaps the Mandela Effect is being utilized regularly?)

Why build a superiority complex?

Because... eventually it will become plain as day and if people no longer believe in something, reality becomes altered. The entirety of mankind's thought is God. It is earth. If extraterrestrials showed themselves publicly for everyone to truly believe... they will stand no chance. We will have obtained "the knowledge of good and evil".

The power to destroy is also the power to create. Mankind has nuclear weapons...
Mankind kills and creates via thought... All day, everyday...
We make ourselves in our own image = your children, they're your image
We are organic, we are the earth...
The earth constantly kills and remakes herself... As does man and his things, family, self.

They're here to dumb us down. Keep us from leaving our planet. They do not allow us to see all the space-faring beings in constant battle. We can create religions... Adapt.... Evolve thought into anything.

I will explain how we fundamentally disagree, and where I think there is a logic failure in one of your arguments.
Many tend to think that an NHI is vastly superior to us.
In what ways specifically are they better? Besides that they have better technology.

Are we better at communication in water than a whale?
Do we understand scent better than a dog?
Can we understand our environment without eye sight like a golpher?

I could give example after example.

Very specifically, we have something called Emotional Intelligence. Some people are much stronger in this department than others. But this is a trait of the human race, this is very specific to who and what we are, and threads of this run through all of our culture to include: art, music, literature, politics, relationships, and on and on.
To control the human race, you would need better than ChatGPT to understand patterns in writing. There are fundamentals of us that are undefinable. Just as we cannot define aspects of how a dolphin interacts with other dolphins, or its' environment.

So, it is illogical to believe that NHI's are better than us at what it is that we do, and at being who we are.
They are just have a head start on us technologically.

If you are in a 26 mile foot race with someone, you are at mile 2 - and they are at mile 25, only because they had a head start. Are they a better runner than you are?
They might be a tortoise, and they had a two month head start on the race.
You would look at where they are and say wow, they are impossibly ahead of us.
But the tortoise knows something that you do not, that you will eventually beat them to the finish because your ability to run a race is vastly superior, in that particular department. But you have never seen a tortoise, and have no idea their capability in that arena.

Do not assume they are better than us at anything. But it is ok to assume they have better toys. Just do not assume that this will always be the case. It is fine and dandy to consider we may be superior in almost every way that we attempt to be better. Again, they just have a head start.
As we may be the only species in the known universe to have the traits that we have, which makes us so damned intriguing to study.

a reply to: midicon

In response to EXPERT FACE READERS again.


I don't know why people do not understand that Grusch cannot give specifics. The specifics are classified. He goes out of his way to explain this many times when giving testimony to Congress, or during his interview.

I think he expertly answers these questions, giving as much information as he can without violating specifics that only he, and those who understand what he was cleared to brief, understand.

Where you see subterfuge, I see him doing his best to provide an answer. So no, I do not get it. You are looking for evidence of a lie. Welp, good luck with that. Like I have said multiples of times in this thread, the conspiracy theorists are so addicted to conspiracy that they will see evidence supporting their conspiracy as a conspiracy. Mind boggling illogical, and an obvious break of something in the brain.

Here is another thing that I understand. I will NEVER get the specifics from him. But Congress WILL get these specifics if the classified briefs are cleared. And that is what will move the needle. And that is what will motivate others in the classified UFO field to come forward and do the same. It is apparent to me that very few contributing to this thread understand the strategy or purpose of David Grusch testimony. Being the internet, I do not expect any of you to say "Wow, you are right, I am so dumb and wrong about what I was thinking." That would be the human/male response in such a situation. As a troll once told me - Welcome to the internet.

a reply to: FingerMan

Well, if some CIA guy says, I murdered for the CIA.
And is asked, who did you murder, and how did you do it.

That’s classified, he says.

Okay. Then admitting his organization murdered is not classified, just the details?
Umm...

a reply to: FingerMan

I’ll go you one better.

If the CIA comes out and speaks
Yeah, we murdered JFK

Why and how? A Congressperson asks

They say That’s classified.

So, they go in and tell the Congress persons the why and how but not us.

What’s the difference from the Grusch affair?

And if this is a search for the truth, then only Congress gets to know the truth, not who they work for.
It doesn’t matter what the truth is. It matters that we get what they get, or this is not any democracy.

a reply to: introufo

Dude. Stop. Drugs are bad.
And I'm not joking.

originally posted by: FingerMan
a reply to: midicon

It is apparent to me that very few contributing to this thread understand the strategy or purpose of David Grusch testimony. Being the internet, I do not expect any of you to say "Wow, you are right, I am so dumb and wrong about what I was thinking." That would be the human/male response in such a situation. As a troll once told me - Welcome to the internet.

It is apparent to me that you don't understand that some get your point and don't agree with you. Maybe you miss that in your rush to feel superior. Anyone can be wrong including you.

originally posted by: midicon

originally posted by: FingerMan
a reply to: midicon

It is apparent to me that very few contributing to this thread understand the strategy or purpose of David Grusch testimony. Being the internet, I do not expect any of you to say "Wow, you are right, I am so dumb and wrong about what I was thinking." That would be the human/male response in such a situation. As a troll once told me - Welcome to the internet.

It is apparent to me that you don't understand that some get your point and don't agree with you. Maybe you miss that in your rush to feel superior. Anyone can be wrong including you.

Or some don't understand my point and that is why they don't agree with me...
With that being the case, it is much less likely that I am wrong proving that I am superior.