David Grusch: A Modern Hero Defying the System, Unmasking the Truth

originally posted by: Ophiuchus1
Welp….some info on Jessica Grusch…

Her name and "should be above 30 years of age."

The rest was pretty much the same promotional info and assertions.

Thanks though and I'm sure more will turn up on her.

Strange.
According to Greg Eghigian, a history professor at Pennsylvania State University

Eghigian is also skeptical about the veracity of these claims because it looks like Grusch followed Pentagon protocol in publishing this information, meaning that the Department of Defence approved the information he would pass on to the press, which is something the department only does if the information is not classified. If Grusch is telling the truth, surely this information would be classified, Eghigian says, and the department would not have allowed him to go on the record.[29]

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originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
a reply to: FingerMan

Working in the intelligence world does not mean you are a trained liar spying for your country.

No it does not mean you are a spy but it does mean you are a Trained liar and as such your life may depend on it , Even an SF guy in the Army learns as much during SERE School . I remember working with Army Intel People , Deception and Compartmentalization of Information is second nature to them it was as easy as Breathing .

That being said it does mean Intel people are bad people or that I don't believe some of what this guy in the video is saying .

First off, I have an Army Intel retired Master Sergeant sitting with me right now, as we watch the UFC prelims.
He laughed when he read your post about being a trained liar. I've been to SERE school. Does that make me a trained liar?
You are referencing some low level stuff to make your points. Actually, your point is to call me a gullible conspiracy lover, with no discernment for reality of liars. I find that funny, you don't know me and are jumping to a conclusion.
And I only reply to you to flip the table on you. And with that, I'm done discussing this with you.

a reply to: FingerMan

I sincerely hope my points of skepticism aren't coming off as rude, FingerMan. I certainly think you explain and make your points well.

I myself believe we have been interacting with non-human intelligence pretty much as long as we've been here. In recorded history certainly.

But I am hoping you will answer this question: Are you familiar with SERPO? Because I really believe it's relevant to this current disclosure movement.

It might lend veracity to the current assertions, or it might cast doubt about what this current campaign is truly about.

Anyways, respect for real.

a reply to: FingerMan

He laughed when he read your post about being a trained liar. I've been to SERE school. Does that make me a trained liar? You are referencing some low level stuff to make your points. Actually, your point is to call me a gullible conspiracy lover, with no discernment for reality of liars.

Seems your table flip missed ...

You say I'm referencing Low level stuff , I'm not sure what you think you mean by that . Unless you expect me to start making wild claims about my Security clearance and My Military experience . Which I will not do .

My point is not to call you anything , you seem a bit fragile mate perhaps calm down .

I'm not calling Mr Grusch a liar simply that saying he is incapable of lying is a naive statement.

a reply to: The GUT

Yes I am aware of the alien exchange story. Though I had pretty much forgotten about it until The Why Files posted a good video on it.

Getting back to David Grusch. I do not think he is lying. I actually think that it takes more of a conspiratorial mind to come to that conclusion than I am accused of in this thread.

The simple fact is that he has given names dates locations and methods to Congress to investigate.

There are a lot of intangibles, as I call them, things you cannot pin point and identify for discussion, the gut/spidey senses that lead me to believe someone or not.

For instance, I do not believe that Bob Lazar is telling the truth. Or, he is telling his version of the truth that is possibly 45% truth and 55% made up. My gut tells me he is not trustworthy. On the other hand, the entire scenario with David Grusch screams authentic. But I didn't create this thread to discuss if he is a liar. I created this thread because he needs every bit of support that he can get. There needs to be a strong push politically that will assist him/congress with bringing the truth he has given to Congress the light of day. More people, specifically the ones he has provided names to Congress, need to come out, provide more information and thus validate Grusch.

originally posted by: FingerMan
a reply to: The GUT

Yes I am aware of the alien exchange story. Though I had pretty much forgotten about it until The Why Files posted a good video on it.

The whistleblower crew and associates in this effort (TTSA crew for example) have some very common associations--some quite direct--to folk that got caught pushing inaccurate and/or fake ufo tales.

So, if my assertion has merit and some of the folk at the core of this "Disclosure" effort have pushed false ufo tales going back decades, would that make you suspend some judgement until after you decide what to make of the available info?

a reply to: FingerMan

My understanding is he had permission from the Pentagon to say everything he is talking about?

a reply to: WakeUpBeer

That can be read in a couple of ways that at least deserve vetting. Maybe it will all vet out and we get the truth and no one tries to manipulate us because they are the source of the world-changing info...and how it's spun.

originally posted by: The GUT
a reply to: WakeUpBeer

That can be read in a couple of ways that at least deserve vetting. Maybe it will all vet out and we get the truth and no one tries to manipulate us because they are the source of the world-changing info...and how it's spun.

Maybe it simply means the Information has been declassified and he is the Mouth piece to put it out there .

One way or another disclosure has to happen the World is to interconnected to keep it a secret any longer.

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

What if the only information is that which is asserted by the gatekeepers? Now if the "others" reveal themselves that's somewhat different but still problematic. I know that the former definitely has credibility problems.

originally posted by: The GUT
a reply to: asabuvsobelow

What if the only information is that which is asserted by the gatekeepers? Now if the "others" reveal themselves that's somewhat different but still problematic. I know that the former definitely has credibility problems.

You are suggesting they are revealing a little information just to control what information really matters to them ?

and Yes in the end its the ET's themselves that will have to step out of the shadows.

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

You are suggesting they are revealing a little information just to control what information really matters to them ?

And thereby in a very unique position of the ultimate in social-engineering.

I think we're going to get a little bit of truth mixed with big lies that benefit the class that always benefit at the expense of humanity.

Are you seeing the set-up for a "dimensional" theory? And if anyone else can see how that's being slowly introduced don't you find that suggestive that we're seeing kabuki? I mean if we can see an operation being rolled out in that manner I think its fair to suspect that the fight between the secret-keepers and secret-tellers smells like same project just different covers.

a reply to: The GUT

GUT……

Do you think that the Casey Axiom is at play with what’s going on?


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a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Basically, yeah I sincerely do. And I do believe he actually said it although it's second-hand by a lady that was there if memory serves.

Something always goes wrong when an entity becomes a "national security state." Which we allowed ourselves to become in 1947-1948.

I've been suspicious from the start. Nobody thinks its weird that he approached George and Jeremy at a startrek convention? And you expect me to take the word of a man whos career is lying? Grusch radiates bull-poop.

a reply to: FingerMan

For the sake of this thread I watched a video posted by The Behaviour Panel analysing Grusch's interview on News Nation. It was two and a half hours long and hard going. In reality when Grusch is asked anything specific or detailed he talks a lot, waffles and says nothing of relevance.
Some analytical comments that spring to mind are 'slippery as an eel' and 'acting'. Another interesting take is that he has been given the green light to push this without revealing anything of substance. He says nothing that isn't already in the public sphere and when pushed rambles off into nonsense woo.
The panelists weren't impressed, it was hard going even for them. The only person I would recommend that video to would be you or anyone who thinks Grusch has something to offer and is some sort of 'hero. I'll never get those two and a half hours back lol...brain numbing but I went through it for your sake.

Your welcome.

If I am missing something, please enlighten me after I explain my impression of this.
Don’t TLDR me.

1. The data he's shared, sanctioned by the Pentagon for disclosure, does not appear in the official records. It's veiled data that's absent from the record. For those at the Pentagon deciphering this material, they could not disapprove of the data being passed because it is not in the record. I think that is a point of contention those of you hanging your opinion on that one snag.
Grusch’s research led him to engage with the people managing NHI operations. He has amassed a roster of both antagonistic and amicable informants pertaining to information he's only grazed superficially in interviews.
The more detailed information was presented to Congress in a confidential setting.
I don’t know what more we could ask of this man, the way we understand he came to possess this information, and what he has gone through to present this to the world.

2. His inability to delve into specifics should be understandable, and it's puzzling why anyone would expect him to go further. Reporter Coulthart knows more than he lets on as well.
Before Coulthart would pass some information that would potentially rock our socks, he wants to have a valid source – something to hang his hat on.
He could be a hungry reporter, ready to present the story of anyone with information on the topic. But if that were true, where are all the crazy people he would interview? Why has he not interviewed the people brought forth by Greer? No. I think he has standards, wants to get the truth out, and will not waste his time unless he finds the source to have impeccable integrity, which he did report he had done.

3. Grusch’s insights are not firsthand. His knowledge is sourced from reports and photographs. However, the crucial element of his testimony, in my view, is that he's visited specific sites, conversed with those in charge of operations, and relayed this information to the Inspector General and Congress.

4. (Questionable) Congress has been blocked and thwarted on being briefed on topics they have the clearance to be briefed on. Could be a charade, but it does make it look like there are people in the shadows that are trying to hide information and skirt this issue. Which does not lend credence to the idea that this is a psyop.

5. If this is indeed a psychological operation, David Grusch is likely to be discredited. I doubt he would go to these lengths to be a scapegoat for a psyop, which would inevitably fall apart and leave him to take the blame. He's already in a precarious position due to Dr. Kirkpatrick and associates.

6. His role as an intelligence officer has equipped him with the ability to respond to inquiries without divulging specifics. He's evidently proficient at it, and I firmly believe he isn't dishonest. To me, it seems he is going up to the ledge and stopping.

7. There are those who might argue that he's been made a pawn, the unwitting sacrificial lamb of a global psyop; that they've chosen to exploit one of their own. In my view, it would take a deeply paranoid conspiracy theorist, hopped up on strong substances, with a compromised cognitive function and no real-life or military experience to reach that conclusion.
I'm not immune to deception. I don't claim to be infallible. However, I'd argue that my approach to formulating conclusions tends to be more rational compared to the norm.

What I find both humorous and aggravating is that those who subscribe to the most eccentric conspiracy theories are so entrenched in their beliefs that they perceive every aspect of life as a conspiracy.
Even when faced with a piece of truth that could bolster one of their theories, they'll immediately conclude it's another conspiracy/psyop. It seems there's no evidence sufficient to sway them from their fixed beliefs, as they appear to be comfortable dwelling in a realm of incomprehensible conspiracy.

And here it seems we have the right person, with just the right position, with the right morals, and without the greed or want for career/promotion that it seems has done his best to present those with the ability to find the truth.

I say it is a win for those who have argued and yearned for disclosure on the topic. And the point of the thread is to support this individual. That more like him would be motivated to do the same and more.

Unfortunately, it seems there is a large swath of people that would shoot the messenger, even if he brings fortune. I have some trust issues. But Grusch has does not elicit this response from me, quite the opposite.

a reply to: FingerMan

you are over complicating this whole thing mate.

The simple answer is often the right one . That simple answer being the information has been declassified and he was instructed to release it .

Unfortunately, it seems there is a large swath of people that would shoot the messenger, even if he brings fortune.

Welcome to the internet.

You know the interface between the DoD and Elizondo, and now the DoD and Grusch may be all a production worthy of consideration for the next Hollywood Oscar show...

Elizondo, Act 1:

Angry whistleblower yet so dedicated to his NDA only exposes something that has been around for years, the Nimitz video.

Grusch, Act II:

Angry full-fledged “Whistleblower” with the really scary stuff, unlike Elizondo, goes for the spooky real esoteric ufo glitz and glitter, even murders and even brings his wife into it!

Both seem to be still in love with the DoD and so dedicated to their NDAs won’t really go against them...revealing absolutely nothing new, just things we already knew.

Expect a forked-tongue response from the Pentagon similar to the double-speaking response to Elizondo...

Both have punching bags amongst the DoD mob: Elizondo had Ms. Gough, and now Grusch has Killpatrick to kick around...


Act III ought to be a really big show.