Republicans offer a positive move on abortion

Unless they assign the unborn a SSN# then this allows a person without a SSN# to be claimed as a dependent.

I think the republicans need to focus on reconciling some of their contradictory positions. Or maybe just focus on something, anything but this goddamn abortion issue. All these kids they save will grow up in dystopia USA because of their lack of focus.

Where do they stand on access to abortions for illegal aliens? Do these illegal aliens have access to abortion in their country of origin? If a pregnant illegal alien is arrested in a state where abortion is illegal, for the crime of attempted abortion, should she be deported to her country of origin where abortion happens to be legal?

originally posted by: bounder
Unless they assign the unborn a SSN# then this allows a person without a SSN# to be claimed as a dependent.

I think the republicans need to focus on reconciling some of their contradictory positions. Or maybe just focus on something, anything but this goddamn abortion issue. All these kids they save will grow up in dystopia USA because of their lack of focus.

Where do they stand on access to abortions for illegal aliens? Do these illegal aliens have access to abortion in their country of origin? If a pregnant illegal alien is arrested in a state where abortion is illegal, for the crime of attempted abortion, should she be deported to her country of origin where abortion happens to be legal?

What "contradictions" ?
Eta

You dont get a ss# until you are a citizen and you dont become a citizen until you are born or naturalized.

You are still a person though and under the protection of the 14th amendment

a reply to: Another_Nut

You have to be born to qualify for 14th Amendment protections.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Another_Nut

You have to be born to qualify for 14th Amendment protections.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.

That is so gross that you can butcher the 2nd Amendment and the 1st Amendment but hide behind the 14th Amendment so you'd still be allowed to deliberately end human life because you want to.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Another_Nut

You have to be born to qualify for 14th Amendment protections.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.

false... i see you have never read the 14th amendment ...because you missed the second sentence .. you absolute numbnutz

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

not citizen, PERSON

and since we know from the first sentence that you are a person, even before birth, then all persons are protected who are withing the jurisdiction of the u.s.

try to keep up please

a reply to: Another_Nut

not citizen PERSON

Right. As in non-citizen. Not like non-born.

try to keep up please

Please show me where SCOTUS ruled that a fetus has 14th Amendment rights. Please show me where and how the unborn are granted due process before an abortion.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Another_Nut

not citizen PERSON

Right. As in non-citizen. Not like non-born.

try to keep up please

Please show me where SCOTUS ruled that a fetus has 14th Amendment rights. Please show me where and how the unborn are granted due process before an abortion.

false
are you really this dumb

any PERSON born or naturalized.

you are person before you are born, you are also a person before you are naturalized. and being a person is all you need to gain protection under the 14th

for a person to become a citizen you must be born in the jurisdiction of the u.s. or be naturalized... both can only happen to people.

since when do you believe th SCOTUS has to rule on it? you sure seem upset they stopped psychopaths from murdering their children

would you like the scholarly article about this and how the unborn have been treated as born for purposes of law for the past 1100 years or so?

but these facts wont stop your child-murder-boner , you will just ignore them

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Another_Nut

You have to be born to qualify for 14th Amendment protections.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.

That is so gross that you can butcher the 2nd Amendment and the 1st Amendment but hide behind the 14th Amendment so you'd still be allowed to deliberately end human life because you want to.

The 1st and 2nd Amendment certainly do provide women the right to an abortion.

a reply to: Another_Nut

are you really this dumb

Are you?

Show me an example of DUE PROCESS being granted to a fetus before an abortion can be performed. I'll wait.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Another_Nut

are you really this dumb

Are you?

Show me an example of DUE PROCESS being granted to a fetus before an abortion can be performed. I'll wait.

wait for what? there SHOULD be due process.. but there isnt.. a woman just gets to decide a child will die.

trust me this argument is coming and it will be the reason abortion is finally abolished.

you cant deny the words of the 14th or their meaning just to kill babies.

you are a person before you were born , hence

all person born or naturalized ... notice it didnt say all parasites born to human females and all person naturalized?

i know you dont like it .. but i also know you have no argument against it so just remember when you read the 14th , you are wrong.. and nothing can change those words written down almost 250 years ago

you fail

a reply to: Another_Nut

wait for what? there SHOULD be due process.. but there isnt..

So, you agree, the 14th Amendment does not give equal protection to a fetus.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Another_Nut

wait for what? there SHOULD be due process.. but there isnt..

So, you agree, the 14th Amendment does not give equal protection to a fetus.

i disagree, and you know you are wrong. keep coping though.

a reply to: Another_Nut

What I know is that there is no due process for the unborn before a woman undergoes an abortion on demand. I know that as of right now, one has to be born to qualify for 14th Amendment rights in the USA.

I think its a great first step, Girl at the squadron I work in is getting out after she has her kid and I been trying to point her in the right direction because well the military's "help" post birth if your on your way out is non-existent.

Some financial help during and right after is great but it really should stretch out to 6 months in my opinion.

Also for those arguing I wouldn't waste the energy arguing with the death cult, they wont be content with anything less than 100% obedience for their beliefs.

a reply to: network dude

It's something and it sounds nice but I predict a lot of women who have no business being a parent might get pregnant due to greed. Then abandon or neglect the child. That's not good for society.

But at least it's a start by the right. But also like quintessentone said it's not enough. Children are a life changing, time consuming, expensive , life long undertaking. Wages just aren't paying enough to handle such a responsibility. And to truly raise a child you need a parent in the home.

Fix the wage issue and then you'll see more young people having kids.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Another_Nut

What I know is that there is no due process for the unborn before a woman undergoes an abortion on demand. I know that as of right now, one has to be born to qualify for 14th Amendment rights in the USA.

do they? do you think you have to be a citizen to be protected under the 14? after all thats the point of the "birth" right? once you are born in the u.s. or you are naturalized you gain the protection of the 14th amendment?

do you think you can freely kill a person in the u.s. who is here illegally? after all they arnt naturalized and therefore dont get the protection of the 14th.

a reply to: Another_Nut

do you think you can freely kill a person in the u.s. who is here illegally? after all they arnt naturalized and therefore dont get the protection of the 14th.

You know that they do. You're the one that cited the clause that proves they do.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Another_Nut

do you think you can freely kill a person in the u.s. who is here illegally? after all they arnt naturalized and therefore dont get the protection of the 14th.

You know that they do. You're the one that cited the clause that proves they do.

So if they ARE a person before they are naturalized... And all people are protected then why do you think the word "person" applies to the unnaturalized but not the unborn?

Where does the 14th make that separation?

It clearly says "persons born or naturalized"

If you can kill a person who isnt born then why cant you kill a perosn who isnt naturalized?