Republicans offer a positive move on abortion

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Republicans are mounting their own effort at an expanded child tax credit that includes applying the credit to fetuses in the womb.

Rep. Ashley Hinson, R-Iowa, is leading a package of bills in the House called the Providing For Life Act, an ambitious attempt at overhauling the federal government’s family care system.

Hinson told Fox News Digital her legislation "charts the policy course for a culture of life in America."

The article describes the tax layout and provides extra tax credit for the unborn, as well as one when the child is born. There is also monetary assistance for 3 months of leave after the birth by way of social security advance.

This doesn't solve the overall problem by any means, but it sure does kill one of the dems arguments about how the R's don't care about the baby or the mother once the child is born. This offers some hope for a young mother to have a choice and may save some lives. It's hard to comprehend the flip side of this, but the reason I brought it here, was to find out what that might look like.

So tell me why this isn't a good thing.

a reply to: network dude

So little so late in the game, huh?

Three months leave is too short because babies should be breastfed exclusively during the first six months.

They just seem to hate spending any REAL amount of money on programs for women and children's health and welfare.

a reply to: quintessentone

so its just not enough? is that the only argument?

a reply to: quintessentone

The only thing I've seen the Left fighting for is the right to kill the kid so you don't have to worry about all that inconvenient stuff like breast feeding or changing diapers.

a reply to: DAVID64

I was impressed that this only went towards the positive aspects and didn't poke the bear anymore. Who knows, this could be the beginning of a compromise that would benefit those who need it most.

originally posted by: DAVID64
a reply to: quintessentone

The only thing I've seen the Left fighting for is the right to kill the kid so you don't have to worry about all that inconvenient stuff like breast feeding or changing diapers.

Where's the money for women's mental illness, post-partum depression, financial aid if their child gets very ill or if they get very ill, addiction etc. It's just okay to let women birth and rear children when they are suffering mental illness, addiction or are in a violent relationship?

a reply to: network dude

I was kinda weirded out seeing this thread because I was just thinking about this. Women should get more time at home after giving birth and not feel pressured to go back to work so soon. The medical industry is no better, my wife got 3 weeks off after having ours and she is a. R.N. who works 12 hour shifts, most of that time on her feet.
You would think hospitals would have more understanding and better policies, but nope. Push that kid out and get back to work !!

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DAVID64
a reply to: quintessentone

The only thing I've seen the Left fighting for is the right to kill the kid so you don't have to worry about all that inconvenient stuff like breast feeding or changing diapers.

Where's the money for women's mental illness, post-partum depression, financial aid if their child gets very ill or if they get very ill, addiction etc. It's just okay to let women birth and rear children when they are suffering mental illness, addiction or are in a violent relationship?

I don't understand. How would anything help those situations? This isn't anything at all about stopping you from killing babies. It only offers help for those who choose to keep their babies, and not kill them. It's almost as if you are just upset and have a sandy vajayjay. Remember, you can still kill your baby according to each state's laws.

originally posted by: DAVID64
a reply to: network dude

I was kinda weirded out seeing this thread because I was just thinking about this. Women should get more time at home after giving birth and not feel pressured to go back to work so soon. The medical industry is no better, my wife got 3 weeks off after having ours and she is a. R.N. who works 12 hour shifts, most of that time on her feet.
You would think hospitals would have more understanding and better policies, but nope. Push that kid out and get back to work !!

I'd like to see some assistance enabling the woman to stay home for the first year if she chooses. That bond is important.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DAVID64
a reply to: quintessentone

The only thing I've seen the Left fighting for is the right to kill the kid so you don't have to worry about all that inconvenient stuff like breast feeding or changing diapers.

Where's the money for women's mental illness, post-partum depression, financial aid if their child gets very ill or if they get very ill, addiction etc. It's just okay to let women birth and rear children when they are suffering mental illness, addiction or are in a violent relationship?

I don't understand. How would anything help those situations? This isn't anything at all about stopping you from killing babies. It only offers help for those who choose to keep their babies, and not kill them. It's almost as if you are just upset and have a sandy vajayjay. Remember, you can still kill your baby according to each state's laws.

Iowa's abortion law, until recently (it's constitutionality being challenged in court) stated that abortions are outlawed once cardiac activity can be detected, which is usually around six weeks of pregnancy and before many women know they are pregnant. It all should go under the umbrella of 'undue hardship or burden' to women to allow abortions for the cases I mentioned above.

Let's hear from the women when they receive those tax exemptions just how far it goes when rearing a child. I can predict it does not go far enough.

Honestly? A good first step. Whether or not she gets the backing of the rest of her party remains to be seen.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DAVID64
a reply to: quintessentone

The only thing I've seen the Left fighting for is the right to kill the kid so you don't have to worry about all that inconvenient stuff like breast feeding or changing diapers.

Where's the money for women's mental illness, post-partum depression, financial aid if their child gets very ill or if they get very ill, addiction etc. It's just okay to let women birth and rear children when they are suffering mental illness, addiction or are in a violent relationship?

I don't understand. How would anything help those situations? This isn't anything at all about stopping you from killing babies. It only offers help for those who choose to keep their babies, and not kill them. It's almost as if you are just upset and have a sandy vajayjay. Remember, you can still kill your baby according to each state's laws.

Iowa's abortion law, until recently (it's constitutionality being challenged in court) stated that abortions are outlawed once cardiac activity can be detected, which is usually around six weeks of pregnancy and before many women know they are pregnant. It all should go under the umbrella of 'undue hardship or burden' to women to allow abortions for the cases I mentioned above.

Let's hear from the women when they receive those tax exemptions just how far it goes when rearing a child. I can predict it does not go far enough.

Yea, I suppose it's best to just give them all a coat hangar instead.

a reply to: quintessentone

Where's the money???
I'd say Ukraine.
The government won't spend a thin dime on our own citizens.

a reply to: quintessentone

There are programs already set up for all that.

www.hhs.gov...

americanpregnancy.org...#:~:text=TANF%20is%20federally%20funded%20but,%2C%20ut ilities%2C%20and%20medical%20supplies.

www.fns.usda.gov...


I can keep going.

originally posted by: Threadbare
Honestly? A good first step. Whether or not she gets the backing of the rest of her party remains to be seen.

I would hope this would enable more dialog and perhaps bipartisan support on such a device topic. I think we could all use a little less anger, and a little more agreement.

a reply to: quintessentone

All of that is covered under Obamacare, Yes we had a African-American president, get used to it.

originally posted by: DAVID64
a reply to: quintessentone

There are programs already set up for all that.

www.hhs.gov...

americanpregnancy.org...#:~:text=TANF%20is%20federally%20funded%20but,%2C%20ut ilities%2C%20and%20medical%20supplies.

www.fns.usda.gov...


I can keep going.

Read what women have to say about those programs and the barriers they encounter.

www.usnews.com...

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: network dude

So little so late in the game, huh?

Three months leave is too short because babies should be breastfed exclusively during the first six months.

They just seem to hate spending any REAL amount of money on programs for women and children's health and welfare.

If it's not real money, you fund it.

originally posted by: DAVID64
a reply to: network dude

I was kinda weirded out seeing this thread because I was just thinking about this. Women should get more time at home after giving birth and not feel pressured to go back to work so soon. The medical industry is no better, my wife got 3 weeks off after having ours and she is a. R.N. who works 12 hour shifts, most of that time on her feet.
You would think hospitals would have more understanding and better policies, but nope. Push that kid out and get back to work !!

From what I've heard, hospitals are among the worst. Which is especially disturbing given how the medical community is the new god of the left. Including the pharmaceutical industry, whom they used to hate, which is the biggest lobbying industry to congress, which they also used to hate.

The world is upside down.

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: network dude

So little so late in the game, huh?

Three months leave is too short because babies should be breastfed exclusively during the first six months.

They just seem to hate spending any REAL amount of money on programs for women and children's health and welfare.

If it's not real money, you fund it.

It looks like the Biden-Harris administration has done more to address women's maternal mental health issues than any other at this point.

Reduce disparities in maternal mental health. Too often, postpartum depression and anxiety go undiagnosed. This month, HRSA will announce awards for more than $65 million to 25 HRSA-funded health centers to implement innovative approaches to improve maternal health outcomes and reduce disparities for women from underserved backgrounds by supporting health centers to partner with patients and the community to develop and pilot innovative, patient-centered, scalable models of care delivery that address the clinical and health-related social needs of health center patients at highest risk of maternal morbidity and mortality. HRSA also just marked the one-year anniversary of the maternal mental health hotline. The 24/7 hotline, 1-833-TLC-MAMA, provides support before, during and after pregnancy and is currently staffed by more than three dozen call-takers, including nurses, doulas, and lactation consultants. During the first year, the hotline received more than 12,000 calls and texts.

www.whitehouse.gov... -mental-health-crisis/

Again, what Iowa is proposing won't be enough.