FSB Starts criminal proceedings against Prigozhin for "the Organization of Armed Insurrection"

Something to keep in mind. Though I am very sure few will....this is a WAR....it's prone to propaganda of all kinds. 21st century propaganda at that. The likelihood of deep fakes are not to be ignored.

I'm sticking to the wait and see aspect, but literally all the "proof" that exists are some very random videos and a bunch of tweets and TG messages chalked full of rampant rumors and speculation.

If the FSB or OMON are wanting to deal with Wagner, don't you think their HQ would be surrounded? Wouldn't there be significantly more proof that ALL of Wagner is turning on Moscow, etc?

What's that saying by Sun Tsu in the Art of War? When you are weak, appear strong and when you are strong, appear weak.

Last time this rhetoric crept up with Wagner, Ukraine tried to launch their counteroffensive not long after...which didn't seem to pan out all that well.

Wait and see...wait and see.

a reply to: Sparkymedic

Definitely a possibility. And this would have been a very long game. I don’t discount it, but I assume we’ll know for sure in the next 24 hours.

a reply to: Sparkymedic

There is evidence of a military reaction in Russia , notably Moscow and Rostov , we also have video from Prigozhin stating his intensions , I don't think there can be any doubt that what has been brewing for months is now coming to fruition.

Reports Wagner have shot down Russian Military helicopter

www.abc.net.au...-blog-post-32702

Either somebody powerful has Priggy's back as evidenced by his seemingly suicidal rants or we're seeing Kabuki. Or both.

I can see how it might be as straight forward as it looks---Prig frustrated and going off and Putin bombing him, but I can't shake the notion that there's some kind of dynamic here that we're not privy to. Some sort of illusion.

Well shucks... popcorn done and I got a bowl full of stale treats lol. I guess with this much information in the internet world, Chief Putin boy is working himself under the table trying to figure out how to make some kind of denial haha 😂

Governor of Rostov-On-Don region has called on residence to remain calm and stay in doors. It seems the troops video's on the streets there may in fact be Wagner Group.

www.abc.net.au...-blog-post-32702

a reply to: The GUT

Either somebody powerful has Priggy's back as evidenced by his seemingly suicidal rants or we're seeing Kabuki. Or both. I can see how it might be as straight forward as it looks---Prig frustrated and going off and Putin bombing him, but I can't shake the notion that there's some kind of dynamic here that we're not privy to. Some sort of illusion.

maybe somebody has offered mo money, after all that's what merc's do work for the highest bidder

originally posted by: BernnieJGato
a reply to: The GUT

Either somebody powerful has Priggy's back as evidenced by his seemingly suicidal rants or we're seeing Kabuki. Or both. I can see how it might be as straight forward as it looks---Prig frustrated and going off and Putin bombing him, but I can't shake the notion that there's some kind of dynamic here that we're not privy to. Some sort of illusion.

maybe somebody has offered mo money, after all that's what merc's do work for the highest bidder

Good call that. Maybe Obama called Biden and told him to take some of that Iranian money, pallet it and fly it over to Wagner Inc. Lol 😂 😂.

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How wild would it be if the wagner group took over the entire russian government. i mean is that even possible?

a reply to: scraedtosleep

Anything is possible. We may be looking at a coup that could even lead to a civil war. Dynamic situation so who knows...

Edit: I mentioned civil war because there are other armed resistance groups with various conflicting allegiances that have ben emerging in recent months.

a reply to: scraedtosleep

I think that's dependant on if Russian forces join them or just choose not to fight them , the next few hours will show which direction it's going but seeing past that is anybody's guess.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: scraedtosleep

I think that's dependant on if Russian forces join them or just choose not to fight them , the next few hours will show which direction it's going but seeing past that is anybody's guess.

Yes sir. With my limited, but none the less professional strategic mind, if I was with the Ukrainian MOD, I would be pushing quite a few "go buttons" for my counterattack forces, right now. 👍

The governor of Russia's Lipetsk region is asking people not to travel south cause reasons.

Writing on Telegram, Igor Artamonov says security measures in the region are being tightened, with a particular focus on protecting critical infrastructure facilities.

He also asks people to remain calm and trust information from official sources.
www.bbc.co.uk...

a reply to: vance

Eh, those forward operating bases are essentially autonomous. It will be mostly business as usual unless something major happens on Russias side.

Smartest thing Ukraine could do is see how things play out IMO. But then again, I’m not a military expert.

reports now of Wagner PMC tanks have surrounded the Defence Ministry building in Rostov-on-Don

unverified

twitter.com...

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I don't think they're Wagner tanks , they're probably Russian tanks.

ABC news Australia reporting that riot police and the national guard has been scrambled in Moscow.

Edit: also... (hard to keep up atm)

The government of the southern Russian Oblast of Voronezh says a military convoy is on the move on its M4 motorway, which leads to Moscow.

Residents have been urged to avoid the motorway.

Officials say the situation is under countrol, and measures are being taken for public safety.

Moscow is about an eight hour drive north of Voronezh, and Google Maps shows many roads leading out of the city are now closed.

www.abc.net.au...

a reply to: datguy

Wagner foot soldiers have the defense ministry surrounded and, from the looks of it in this video, they may be preparing to breach the building.

twitter.com...

Finally got home, my concern if the unconfirmed reports are true is that wagner is going to go and make people pay.

Why... 25k ish killers are not a small number, if the pressure becomes to great what will putin be willing to do to retain his position and life?

My hope was wagner would change clothes and name and just disappear into the vastness that is russia.

that would make life just to easy I guess.