The moment the trans agenda goes off the rails thread

Opposition to U.S. banning of transgender care:

STATEMENT OF OPPOSITION TO LEGISLATION BANNING ACCESS TO GENDER-AFFIRMING HEALTH CARE IN THE US
Both the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) and the US affiliate, the United States Professional Association for Transgender Health (USPATH), vehemently oppose the broad and sweeping legislation being introduced and ratified in states across the country to ban access to gender-affirming health care to transgender and gender diverse (TGD) people. WPATH’s long-standing Standards of Care for Transgender and Gender Diverse People, now in its eighth version (SOC8), explain in detail the science- and evidence-based benefits of gender affirming care for TGD people. Any legislation that restricts or prohibits access to this care is against best practice medical standards and is condemned by WPATH and USPATH.

“Anti-transgender health care legislation is not about protections for children but about eliminating transgender persons on a micro and macro scale,” said WPATH President, Dr. Marci Bowers. “It is a thinly veiled attempt to enforce the notion of a gender binary.” . . .

www.wpath.org...

...to enforce the notion of a gender binary"...that's what some people on this thread are trying to do.

originally posted by: quintessentone
Opposition to U.S. banning of transgender care:

STATEMENT OF OPPOSITION TO LEGISLATION BANNING ACCESS TO GENDER-AFFIRMING HEALTH CARE IN THE US
Both the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) and the US affiliate, the United States Professional Association for Transgender Health (USPATH), vehemently oppose the broad and sweeping legislation being introduced and ratified in states across the country to ban access to gender-affirming health care to transgender and gender diverse (TGD) people. WPATH’s long-standing Standards of Care for Transgender and Gender Diverse People, now in its eighth version (SOC8), explain in detail the science- and evidence-based benefits of gender affirming care for TGD people. Any legislation that restricts or prohibits access to this care is against best practice medical standards and is condemned by WPATH and USPATH.

“Anti-transgender health care legislation is not about protections for children but about eliminating transgender persons on a micro and macro scale,” said WPATH President, Dr. Marci Bowers. “It is a thinly veiled attempt to enforce the notion of a gender binary.” . . .

www.wpath.org...

...to enforce the notion of a gender binary"...that's what some people on this thread are trying to do.

I don't know about enforcement but gender is binary.

Basic fact

Obviously the trans lobby wants gender to be fluid and non-binary. But one needs to have a very bad relationship with reality to claim there are millions and millions of genders.

a reply to: quintessentone

making assumptions of others and telling them what to research is exactly what poisoned this topic and created much of the pushback against trans..

its that research that throws up the trans as a higher percentage of sexual offenders at just 0.5% of the uk pop but 0.6% of the sex offender population..

its the same with the elite sports.. where you get those with dsd going through male puberty and the 10% advantage that gives only losing 7% with t suppressed, so still goes in with a large male advantage.

this is the whole flaw in telling people to educate themselves is they will and off the back of that start organiasing themselves.

we see that same thinking in other areas hence why all the various narratives are collapsing and even why the alien revelations created zero waves.

for my part while I've known Sharon DaviEs from my youth but also follow developmental biologists like Emma Hilton (FondOfBeetles).. i admire emma as she'll go toe to toe with anyone on this topic..

as for polling vs actual balloting results there are claims the pollsters use polls to shape thinking not show results but the shift i see comes back to people educating themselves and organising themselves hence the good news of how the Irish women organising among themselves have go barbie kasrdasian moved into a male prison.. this is a trans prisoner who even threatened to rape the female prison officers..

we are over the peak now.

originally posted by: nickyw
a reply to: quintessentone

making assumptions of others and telling them what to research is exactly what poisoned this topic and created much of the pushback against trans..

its that research that throws up the trans as a higher percentage of sexual offenders at just 0.5% of the uk pop but 0.6% of the sex offender population..

its the same with the elite sports.. where you get those with dsd going through male puberty and the 10% advantage that gives only losing 7% with t suppressed, so still goes in with a large male advantage.

this is the whole flaw in telling people to educate themselves is they will and off the back of that start organiasing themselves.

we see that same thinking in other areas hence why all the various narratives are collapsing and even why the alien revelations created zero waves.

for my part while I've known Sharon DaviEs from my youth but also follow developmental biologists like Emma Hilton (FondOfBeetles).. i admire emma as she'll go toe to toe with anyone on this topic..

as for polling vs actual balloting results there are claims the pollsters use polls to shape thinking not show results but the shift i see comes back to people educating themselves and organising themselves hence the good news of how the Irish women organising among themselves have go barbie kasrdasian moved into a male prison.. this is a trans prisoner who even threatened to rape the female prison officers..

we are over the peak now.

Sharon Davies is a legend in sports (swimming) and she is very outspoken against the trans ideology and against transwomen in female sports. Well done to her and to many other female athletes who have taken massive risks but still didn't get intimidated by the trans lobby (but have been threatened and abused ok various occasions)

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: quintessentone
Opposition to U.S. banning of transgender care:

STATEMENT OF OPPOSITION TO LEGISLATION BANNING ACCESS TO GENDER-AFFIRMING HEALTH CARE IN THE US
Both the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) and the US affiliate, the United States Professional Association for Transgender Health (USPATH), vehemently oppose the broad and sweeping legislation being introduced and ratified in states across the country to ban access to gender-affirming health care to transgender and gender diverse (TGD) people. WPATH’s long-standing Standards of Care for Transgender and Gender Diverse People, now in its eighth version (SOC8), explain in detail the science- and evidence-based benefits of gender affirming care for TGD people. Any legislation that restricts or prohibits access to this care is against best practice medical standards and is condemned by WPATH and USPATH.

“Anti-transgender health care legislation is not about protections for children but about eliminating transgender persons on a micro and macro scale,” said WPATH President, Dr. Marci Bowers. “It is a thinly veiled attempt to enforce the notion of a gender binary.” . . .

www.wpath.org...

...to enforce the notion of a gender binary"...that's what some people on this thread are trying to do.

I don't know about enforcement but gender is binary.

Basic fact

Obviously the trans lobby wants gender to be fluid and non-binary. But one needs to have a very bad relationship with reality to claim there are millions and millions of genders.

The WPATH and USPATH are not trans lobbyist they are medical professionals trying to help trans people and if they have to collectively release statements against discrimination by others, they kudos to them.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: quintessentone
Opposition to U.S. banning of transgender care:

STATEMENT OF OPPOSITION TO LEGISLATION BANNING ACCESS TO GENDER-AFFIRMING HEALTH CARE IN THE US
Both the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) and the US affiliate, the United States Professional Association for Transgender Health (USPATH), vehemently oppose the broad and sweeping legislation being introduced and ratified in states across the country to ban access to gender-affirming health care to transgender and gender diverse (TGD) people. WPATH’s long-standing Standards of Care for Transgender and Gender Diverse People, now in its eighth version (SOC8), explain in detail the science- and evidence-based benefits of gender affirming care for TGD people. Any legislation that restricts or prohibits access to this care is against best practice medical standards and is condemned by WPATH and USPATH.

“Anti-transgender health care legislation is not about protections for children but about eliminating transgender persons on a micro and macro scale,” said WPATH President, Dr. Marci Bowers. “It is a thinly veiled attempt to enforce the notion of a gender binary.” . . .

www.wpath.org...

...to enforce the notion of a gender binary"...that's what some people on this thread are trying to do.

I don't know about enforcement but gender is binary.

Basic fact

Obviously the trans lobby wants gender to be fluid and non-binary. But one needs to have a very bad relationship with reality to claim there are millions and millions of genders.

The WPATH and USPATH are not trans lobbyist they are medical professionals trying to help trans people and if they have to collectively release statements against discrimination by others, they kudos to them.

You're now appealing to emotions again after discussing gender is not binary.

Your link, banning 'gender affirming care', criticises the motives of those who are in favour. But there is no gender affirming care medically speaking. It's a pseudo-science the trans agenda fully supports. Butchering of genitalia together with hormones and never ending drugs is not only harmful but it's unethical and criminal.

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: quintessentone
Opposition to U.S. banning of transgender care:

STATEMENT OF OPPOSITION TO LEGISLATION BANNING ACCESS TO GENDER-AFFIRMING HEALTH CARE IN THE US
Both the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) and the US affiliate, the United States Professional Association for Transgender Health (USPATH), vehemently oppose the broad and sweeping legislation being introduced and ratified in states across the country to ban access to gender-affirming health care to transgender and gender diverse (TGD) people. WPATH’s long-standing Standards of Care for Transgender and Gender Diverse People, now in its eighth version (SOC8), explain in detail the science- and evidence-based benefits of gender affirming care for TGD people. Any legislation that restricts or prohibits access to this care is against best practice medical standards and is condemned by WPATH and USPATH.

“Anti-transgender health care legislation is not about protections for children but about eliminating transgender persons on a micro and macro scale,” said WPATH President, Dr. Marci Bowers. “It is a thinly veiled attempt to enforce the notion of a gender binary.” . . .

www.wpath.org...

...to enforce the notion of a gender binary"...that's what some people on this thread are trying to do.

I don't know about enforcement but gender is binary.

Basic fact

Obviously the trans lobby wants gender to be fluid and non-binary. But one needs to have a very bad relationship with reality to claim there are millions and millions of genders.

The WPATH and USPATH are not trans lobbyist they are medical professionals trying to help trans people and if they have to collectively release statements against discrimination by others, they kudos to them.

You're now appealing to emotions again after discussing gender is not binary.

Your link, banning 'gender affirming care', criticises the motives of those who are in favour. But there is no gender affirming care medically speaking. It's a pseudo-science the trans agenda fully supports. Butchering of genitalia together with hormones and never ending drugs is not only harmful but it's unethical and criminal.

Give examples of minors getting their genitalia "butchered".

a reply to: nickyw

Believe me any legit science I post here the anti-trans sentiment never read and most likely never will, so that's a non issue. I can shout it from the ATS rooftop and some here will not hear.

All I ask is to please read what I post because many of the issues are still controversial and the science is not quite there yet.

originally posted by: ABlackCat

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: quintessentone
Opposition to U.S. banning of transgender care:

STATEMENT OF OPPOSITION TO LEGISLATION BANNING ACCESS TO GENDER-AFFIRMING HEALTH CARE IN THE US
Both the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) and the US affiliate, the United States Professional Association for Transgender Health (USPATH), vehemently oppose the broad and sweeping legislation being introduced and ratified in states across the country to ban access to gender-affirming health care to transgender and gender diverse (TGD) people. WPATH’s long-standing Standards of Care for Transgender and Gender Diverse People, now in its eighth version (SOC8), explain in detail the science- and evidence-based benefits of gender affirming care for TGD people. Any legislation that restricts or prohibits access to this care is against best practice medical standards and is condemned by WPATH and USPATH.

“Anti-transgender health care legislation is not about protections for children but about eliminating transgender persons on a micro and macro scale,” said WPATH President, Dr. Marci Bowers. “It is a thinly veiled attempt to enforce the notion of a gender binary.” . . .

www.wpath.org...

...to enforce the notion of a gender binary"...that's what some people on this thread are trying to do.

I don't know about enforcement but gender is binary.

Basic fact

Obviously the trans lobby wants gender to be fluid and non-binary. But one needs to have a very bad relationship with reality to claim there are millions and millions of genders.

The WPATH and USPATH are not trans lobbyist they are medical professionals trying to help trans people and if they have to collectively release statements against discrimination by others, they kudos to them.

You're now appealing to emotions again after discussing gender is not binary.

Your link, banning 'gender affirming care', criticises the motives of those who are in favour. But there is no gender affirming care medically speaking. It's a pseudo-science the trans agenda fully supports. Butchering of genitalia together with hormones and never ending drugs is not only harmful but it's unethical and criminal.

Give examples of minors getting their genitalia "butchered".

you are a bot. Have to be.

bioedge.org...
it's all over the news. Do you live in a cave, or are you really a bot? Be honest.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ABlackCat

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: quintessentone
Opposition to U.S. banning of transgender care:

STATEMENT OF OPPOSITION TO LEGISLATION BANNING ACCESS TO GENDER-AFFIRMING HEALTH CARE IN THE US
Both the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) and the US affiliate, the United States Professional Association for Transgender Health (USPATH), vehemently oppose the broad and sweeping legislation being introduced and ratified in states across the country to ban access to gender-affirming health care to transgender and gender diverse (TGD) people. WPATH’s long-standing Standards of Care for Transgender and Gender Diverse People, now in its eighth version (SOC8), explain in detail the science- and evidence-based benefits of gender affirming care for TGD people. Any legislation that restricts or prohibits access to this care is against best practice medical standards and is condemned by WPATH and USPATH.

“Anti-transgender health care legislation is not about protections for children but about eliminating transgender persons on a micro and macro scale,” said WPATH President, Dr. Marci Bowers. “It is a thinly veiled attempt to enforce the notion of a gender binary.” . . .

www.wpath.org...

...to enforce the notion of a gender binary"...that's what some people on this thread are trying to do.

I don't know about enforcement but gender is binary.

Basic fact

Obviously the trans lobby wants gender to be fluid and non-binary. But one needs to have a very bad relationship with reality to claim there are millions and millions of genders.

The WPATH and USPATH are not trans lobbyist they are medical professionals trying to help trans people and if they have to collectively release statements against discrimination by others, they kudos to them.

You're now appealing to emotions again after discussing gender is not binary.

Your link, banning 'gender affirming care', criticises the motives of those who are in favour. But there is no gender affirming care medically speaking. It's a pseudo-science the trans agenda fully supports. Butchering of genitalia together with hormones and never ending drugs is not only harmful but it's unethical and criminal.

Give examples of minors getting their genitalia "butchered".

you are a bot. Have to be.

bioedge.org...
it's all over the news. Do you live in a cave, or are you really a bot? Be honest.

From your source:

According to the authors, who are based at the Center for Transyouth Health and Development at Children’s Hospital Los Angeles, “All postsurgical participants (68 of 68; 100%) affirmed the statement, ‘It was a good decision to undergo chest reconstruction.’”

Who are you or anyone else to say that their surgery did not result in positive affirmation. It's what the girls felt that matters, not what you feel. Who is the real bot here?

Gender-altering surgery in teens is less common than hormone treatment, but many centers hesitate to give exact numbers.

Guidelines say such surgery generally should be reserved for those aged 18 and older. The World Professional Association for Transgender Health says breast removal surgery is OK for those under 18 who have been on testosterone for at least a year. The Endocrine Society says there isn’t enough evidence to recommend a specific age limit for that operation.

www.pbs.org...

originally posted by: ABlackCat

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: quintessentone
Opposition to U.S. banning of transgender care:

STATEMENT OF OPPOSITION TO LEGISLATION BANNING ACCESS TO GENDER-AFFIRMING HEALTH CARE IN THE US
Both the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) and the US affiliate, the United States Professional Association for Transgender Health (USPATH), vehemently oppose the broad and sweeping legislation being introduced and ratified in states across the country to ban access to gender-affirming health care to transgender and gender diverse (TGD) people. WPATH’s long-standing Standards of Care for Transgender and Gender Diverse People, now in its eighth version (SOC8), explain in detail the science- and evidence-based benefits of gender affirming care for TGD people. Any legislation that restricts or prohibits access to this care is against best practice medical standards and is condemned by WPATH and USPATH.

“Anti-transgender health care legislation is not about protections for children but about eliminating transgender persons on a micro and macro scale,” said WPATH President, Dr. Marci Bowers. “It is a thinly veiled attempt to enforce the notion of a gender binary.” . . .

www.wpath.org...

...to enforce the notion of a gender binary"...that's what some people on this thread are trying to do.

I don't know about enforcement but gender is binary.

Basic fact

Obviously the trans lobby wants gender to be fluid and non-binary. But one needs to have a very bad relationship with reality to claim there are millions and millions of genders.

The WPATH and USPATH are not trans lobbyist they are medical professionals trying to help trans people and if they have to collectively release statements against discrimination by others, they kudos to them.

You're now appealing to emotions again after discussing gender is not binary.

Your link, banning 'gender affirming care', criticises the motives of those who are in favour. But there is no gender affirming care medically speaking. It's a pseudo-science the trans agenda fully supports. Butchering of genitalia together with hormones and never ending drugs is not only harmful but it's unethical and criminal.

Give examples of minors getting their genitalia "butchered".

That's an off topic discussion.

But the on topic discussion is the encouragement by the trans lobby on matters of self identity and the suggestions children and adults may have been born in the wrong body and so they need hormones and surgery.

I am sure by the way you will find a lot of cases of minors (online) who have been through 'gender affirmation care'

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ABlackCat

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: quintessentone
Opposition to U.S. banning of transgender care:

STATEMENT OF OPPOSITION TO LEGISLATION BANNING ACCESS TO GENDER-AFFIRMING HEALTH CARE IN THE US
Both the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) and the US affiliate, the United States Professional Association for Transgender Health (USPATH), vehemently oppose the broad and sweeping legislation being introduced and ratified in states across the country to ban access to gender-affirming health care to transgender and gender diverse (TGD) people. WPATH’s long-standing Standards of Care for Transgender and Gender Diverse People, now in its eighth version (SOC8), explain in detail the science- and evidence-based benefits of gender affirming care for TGD people. Any legislation that restricts or prohibits access to this care is against best practice medical standards and is condemned by WPATH and USPATH.

“Anti-transgender health care legislation is not about protections for children but about eliminating transgender persons on a micro and macro scale,” said WPATH President, Dr. Marci Bowers. “It is a thinly veiled attempt to enforce the notion of a gender binary.” . . .

www.wpath.org...

...to enforce the notion of a gender binary"...that's what some people on this thread are trying to do.

I don't know about enforcement but gender is binary.

Basic fact

Obviously the trans lobby wants gender to be fluid and non-binary. But one needs to have a very bad relationship with reality to claim there are millions and millions of genders.

The WPATH and USPATH are not trans lobbyist they are medical professionals trying to help trans people and if they have to collectively release statements against discrimination by others, they kudos to them.

You're now appealing to emotions again after discussing gender is not binary.

Your link, banning 'gender affirming care', criticises the motives of those who are in favour. But there is no gender affirming care medically speaking. It's a pseudo-science the trans agenda fully supports. Butchering of genitalia together with hormones and never ending drugs is not only harmful but it's unethical and criminal.

Give examples of minors getting their genitalia "butchered".

you are a bot. Have to be.

bioedge.org...
it's all over the news. Do you live in a cave, or are you really a bot? Be honest.

From your source:

According to the authors, who are based at the Center for Transyouth Health and Development at Children’s Hospital Los Angeles, “All postsurgical participants (68 of 68; 100%) affirmed the statement, ‘It was a good decision to undergo chest reconstruction.’”

Who are you or anyone else to say that their surgery did not result in positive affirmation. It's what the girls felt that matters, not what you feel. Who is the real bot here?

Gender-altering surgery in teens is less common than hormone treatment, but many centers hesitate to give exact numbers.

Guidelines say such surgery generally should be reserved for those aged 18 and older. The World Professional Association for Transgender Health says breast removal surgery is OK for those under 18 who have been on testosterone for at least a year. The Endocrine Society says there isn’t enough evidence to recommend a specific age limit for that operation.

www.pbs.org...

did body parts get removed or not?

a otherwise healthy girl had her breasts removed.

mutilations
Synonyms of mutilation
1
: an act or instance of destroying, removing, or severely damaging a limb or other body part of a person or animal
the mutilation of a body
They were men who had been sexually damaged by disease, accident, or deliberate mutilation.
—James J. O'Donnell

www.merriam-webster.com...

you were saying?

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: nickyw

Believe me any legit science I post here the anti-trans sentiment never read and most likely never will, so that's a non issue. I can shout it from the ATS rooftop and some here will not hear.

All I ask is to please read what I post because many of the issues are still controversial and the science is not quite there yet.

as i see it there is only science.. there is no one side or other when it comes to science with all topics debatable but as we have seen with all these intersecting topics the science of today is tainted by bias/funding/ideology and it all smells very much like 1930s pseudoscience.

its also worth noting other cultural differences in play that both sides in the usa come across as deeply misogynistic to outside eyes/ears relying on antiquated sexual stereotypes to define the world (not saying that is right/wrong).

We had transexuals and transvestites at the roman catholic school i attended in the 1970s, so i never thought it an issue. any boy that wanted to play in the girls playground got to wear a girls uniform, attend girls classes, use toilets, changing rooms etc growing up where I did I went to pride in the mid/late 1980s (first one here was 1972) a friend nursed the aids patients dieing at the local aids hospital when everyone was cowering in fear of the plague on toilet seats/door handles, very much like covid..

so thats the culture i grew up in and the issue I see is the wholesale adoption of the us cultural war, as though in doing so it gains goodie points from the empire of the day. i liken it to the wholesale adoption of the continental reformation/counter reformation and it risks creating a similar sectarian outcome.. the difference comes back to the polling when asked about transgender most are supportive, when told these are biologically intact people that opinion reverses, thats the effect of changing transexual to transgender, what transgender actually does is put transvestites and transsexuals in the same pot.. like the reformation words are power changing their meaning for political purposes tyndale did that with his word choices..eg doing penance instead of repent.

thats the negative part of adopting cultures conflicts wholesale as it means you need tools to navigate the clashes they cause, in the reformation England adopted the test act for those wanting to serve in public office, that is an affirmation yes or no when questioned on transubstantiation ie one thing transitioning into another, the modern version is "what is a woman" and like the test act it has a specific answer the modern answer is "an adult human female" so to get in office a politician has to be able to pass the test, recently the leader of the labour party passed the test.. he answered what is a woman so can now look to get in office..

for the USA like the Vatican this places England rather than the uk as thorn but a thorn to both sides as the clashes between the likes of matt walsh and the likes 0f helen joyce/JKR/Posie Parker etc highlight how far apart both sides on each side of the Atlantic are.

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: ABlackCat

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: quintessentone
Opposition to U.S. banning of transgender care:

STATEMENT OF OPPOSITION TO LEGISLATION BANNING ACCESS TO GENDER-AFFIRMING HEALTH CARE IN THE US
Both the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) and the US affiliate, the United States Professional Association for Transgender Health (USPATH), vehemently oppose the broad and sweeping legislation being introduced and ratified in states across the country to ban access to gender-affirming health care to transgender and gender diverse (TGD) people. WPATH’s long-standing Standards of Care for Transgender and Gender Diverse People, now in its eighth version (SOC8), explain in detail the science- and evidence-based benefits of gender affirming care for TGD people. Any legislation that restricts or prohibits access to this care is against best practice medical standards and is condemned by WPATH and USPATH.

“Anti-transgender health care legislation is not about protections for children but about eliminating transgender persons on a micro and macro scale,” said WPATH President, Dr. Marci Bowers. “It is a thinly veiled attempt to enforce the notion of a gender binary.” . . .

www.wpath.org...

...to enforce the notion of a gender binary"...that's what some people on this thread are trying to do.

I don't know about enforcement but gender is binary.

Basic fact

Obviously the trans lobby wants gender to be fluid and non-binary. But one needs to have a very bad relationship with reality to claim there are millions and millions of genders.

The WPATH and USPATH are not trans lobbyist they are medical professionals trying to help trans people and if they have to collectively release statements against discrimination by others, they kudos to them.

You're now appealing to emotions again after discussing gender is not binary.

Your link, banning 'gender affirming care', criticises the motives of those who are in favour. But there is no gender affirming care medically speaking. It's a pseudo-science the trans agenda fully supports. Butchering of genitalia together with hormones and never ending drugs is not only harmful but it's unethical and criminal.

Give examples of minors getting their genitalia "butchered".

That's an off topic discussion.

But the on topic discussion is the encouragement by the trans lobby on matters of self identity and the suggestions children and adults may have been born in the wrong body and so they need hormones and surgery.

I am sure by the way you will find a lot of cases of minors (online) who have been through 'gender affirmation care'

They do not always need hormones and surgery.

originally posted by: ABlackCat

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: ABlackCat

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: quintessentone
Opposition to U.S. banning of transgender care:

STATEMENT OF OPPOSITION TO LEGISLATION BANNING ACCESS TO GENDER-AFFIRMING HEALTH CARE IN THE US
Both the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) and the US affiliate, the United States Professional Association for Transgender Health (USPATH), vehemently oppose the broad and sweeping legislation being introduced and ratified in states across the country to ban access to gender-affirming health care to transgender and gender diverse (TGD) people. WPATH’s long-standing Standards of Care for Transgender and Gender Diverse People, now in its eighth version (SOC8), explain in detail the science- and evidence-based benefits of gender affirming care for TGD people. Any legislation that restricts or prohibits access to this care is against best practice medical standards and is condemned by WPATH and USPATH.

“Anti-transgender health care legislation is not about protections for children but about eliminating transgender persons on a micro and macro scale,” said WPATH President, Dr. Marci Bowers. “It is a thinly veiled attempt to enforce the notion of a gender binary.” . . .

www.wpath.org...

...to enforce the notion of a gender binary"...that's what some people on this thread are trying to do.

I don't know about enforcement but gender is binary.

Basic fact

Obviously the trans lobby wants gender to be fluid and non-binary. But one needs to have a very bad relationship with reality to claim there are millions and millions of genders.

The WPATH and USPATH are not trans lobbyist they are medical professionals trying to help trans people and if they have to collectively release statements against discrimination by others, they kudos to them.

You're now appealing to emotions again after discussing gender is not binary.

Your link, banning 'gender affirming care', criticises the motives of those who are in favour. But there is no gender affirming care medically speaking. It's a pseudo-science the trans agenda fully supports. Butchering of genitalia together with hormones and never ending drugs is not only harmful but it's unethical and criminal.

Give examples of minors getting their genitalia "butchered".

That's an off topic discussion.

But the on topic discussion is the encouragement by the trans lobby on matters of self identity and the suggestions children and adults may have been born in the wrong body and so they need hormones and surgery.

I am sure by the way you will find a lot of cases of minors (online) who have been through 'gender affirmation care'

They do not always need hormones and surgery.

Most of the time children should be left to develop on their own with out outside influence. I'm relieved my cousin did not grow in this twisted reality. He was a very flamboyant fem boy growing up, even at a very young age. He would play with his boy toys and his sisters dolls, wear his mothers high heels etc. As he reached his teen years, he still carried himself more fem then masculine. Alot of people thought he was gay, but has never shown interest in other men, always dated females. He is now in his 40's, still fem, but is married to a beautiful woman with 2 awesome kids . I think if he would of been born today, he would of been told, pressured etc that he was something that he is not.

originally posted by: ABlackCat

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: ABlackCat

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: quintessentone
Opposition to U.S. banning of transgender care:

STATEMENT OF OPPOSITION TO LEGISLATION BANNING ACCESS TO GENDER-AFFIRMING HEALTH CARE IN THE US
Both the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) and the US affiliate, the United States Professional Association for Transgender Health (USPATH), vehemently oppose the broad and sweeping legislation being introduced and ratified in states across the country to ban access to gender-affirming health care to transgender and gender diverse (TGD) people. WPATH’s long-standing Standards of Care for Transgender and Gender Diverse People, now in its eighth version (SOC8), explain in detail the science- and evidence-based benefits of gender affirming care for TGD people. Any legislation that restricts or prohibits access to this care is against best practice medical standards and is condemned by WPATH and USPATH.

“Anti-transgender health care legislation is not about protections for children but about eliminating transgender persons on a micro and macro scale,” said WPATH President, Dr. Marci Bowers. “It is a thinly veiled attempt to enforce the notion of a gender binary.” . . .

www.wpath.org...

...to enforce the notion of a gender binary"...that's what some people on this thread are trying to do.

I don't know about enforcement but gender is binary.

Basic fact

Obviously the trans lobby wants gender to be fluid and non-binary. But one needs to have a very bad relationship with reality to claim there are millions and millions of genders.

The WPATH and USPATH are not trans lobbyist they are medical professionals trying to help trans people and if they have to collectively release statements against discrimination by others, they kudos to them.

You're now appealing to emotions again after discussing gender is not binary.

Your link, banning 'gender affirming care', criticises the motives of those who are in favour. But there is no gender affirming care medically speaking. It's a pseudo-science the trans agenda fully supports. Butchering of genitalia together with hormones and never ending drugs is not only harmful but it's unethical and criminal.

Give examples of minors getting their genitalia "butchered".

That's an off topic discussion.

But the on topic discussion is the encouragement by the trans lobby on matters of self identity and the suggestions children and adults may have been born in the wrong body and so they need hormones and surgery.

I am sure by the way you will find a lot of cases of minors (online) who have been through 'gender affirmation care'

They do not always need hormones and surgery.

They don't need hormones and surgery at all. The state should outlaw such type of 'care' especially when it comes to minors. Many states have already made it illegal. Pseudo-science must be dealt in the courts with heavy penalties against activists, physicians, and everyone else who is involved in this scam.

I still think we should give anorexic girls liposuction so their body can fit their mind.

amirite?

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originally posted by: quintessentone

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originally posted by: quintessentone
Opposition to U.S. banning of transgender care:

STATEMENT OF OPPOSITION TO LEGISLATION BANNING ACCESS TO GENDER-AFFIRMING HEALTH CARE IN THE US
Both the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) and the US affiliate, the United States Professional Association for Transgender Health (USPATH), vehemently oppose the broad and sweeping legislation being introduced and ratified in states across the country to ban access to gender-affirming health care to transgender and gender diverse (TGD) people. WPATH’s long-standing Standards of Care for Transgender and Gender Diverse People, now in its eighth version (SOC8), explain in detail the science- and evidence-based benefits of gender affirming care for TGD people. Any legislation that restricts or prohibits access to this care is against best practice medical standards and is condemned by WPATH and USPATH.

“Anti-transgender health care legislation is not about protections for children but about eliminating transgender persons on a micro and macro scale,” said WPATH President, Dr. Marci Bowers. “It is a thinly veiled attempt to enforce the notion of a gender binary.” . . .

www.wpath.org...

...to enforce the notion of a gender binary"...that's what some people on this thread are trying to do.

I don't know about enforcement but gender is binary.

Basic fact

Obviously the trans lobby wants gender to be fluid and non-binary. But one needs to have a very bad relationship with reality to claim there are millions and millions of genders.

The WPATH and USPATH are not trans lobbyist they are medical professionals trying to help trans people and if they have to collectively release statements against discrimination by others, they kudos to them.

You're now appealing to emotions again after discussing gender is not binary.

Your link, banning 'gender affirming care', criticises the motives of those who are in favour. But there is no gender affirming care medically speaking. It's a pseudo-science the trans agenda fully supports. Butchering of genitalia together with hormones and never ending drugs is not only harmful but it's unethical and criminal.

Give examples of minors getting their genitalia "butchered".

you are a bot. Have to be.

bioedge.org...
it's all over the news. Do you live in a cave, or are you really a bot? Be honest.

It’s a steady flow of completely unrelated red herrings, demands for things that everyone knows fully, and generic accusations like “strawman !” and “gaslighting !”
It really is starting to read like a carefully built script and decision tree that picks up on various buzzwords / catchphrases.
So it’s either a bot or a person with a talent for following this highly repetitive strategy.

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I still think we should give anorexic girls liposuction so their body can fit their mind.

amirite?

Hey, don’t forget about those Para- or Quadra- plegics who were born into the wrong body with 4 gross disgusting healthy limbs. Break out the big saw and make them whole …. Or less whole maybe.
Once you accept the nonsensical fantasies for the trans industry, you have no standing to say that ANYTHING is wrong.
Identify as a car and start bolting headlights and body panels onto yourself. Nothing is wrong once you legitimize the foolishness of one silly movement.

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originally posted by: quintessentone
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Believe me any legit science I post here the anti-trans sentiment never read and most likely never will, so that's a non issue. I can shout it from the ATS rooftop and some here will not hear.

All I ask is to please read what I post because many of the issues are still controversial and the science is not quite there yet.

as i see it there is only science.. there is no one side or other when it comes to science with all topics debatable but as we have seen with all these intersecting topics the science of today is tainted by bias/funding/ideology and it all smells very much like 1930s pseudoscience.

its also worth noting other cultural differences in play that both sides in the usa come across as deeply misogynistic to outside eyes/ears relying on antiquated sexual stereotypes to define the world (not saying that is right/wrong).

We had transexuals and transvestites at the roman catholic school i attended in the 1970s, so i never thought it an issue. any boy that wanted to play in the girls playground got to wear a girls uniform, attend girls classes, use toilets, changing rooms etc growing up where I did I went to pride in the mid/late 1980s (first one here was 1972) a friend nursed the aids patients dieing at the local aids hospital when everyone was cowering in fear of the plague on toilet seats/door handles, very much like covid..

so thats the culture i grew up in and the issue I see is the wholesale adoption of the us cultural war, as though in doing so it gains goodie points from the empire of the day. i liken it to the wholesale adoption of the continental reformation/counter reformation and it risks creating a similar sectarian outcome.. the difference comes back to the polling when asked about transgender most are supportive, when told these are biologically intact people that opinion reverses, thats the effect of changing transexual to transgender, what transgender actually does is put transvestites and transsexuals in the same pot.. like the reformation words are power changing their meaning for political purposes tyndale did that with his word choices..eg doing penance instead of repent.

thats the negative part of adopting cultures conflicts wholesale as it means you need tools to navigate the clashes they cause, in the reformation England adopted the test act for those wanting to serve in public office, that is an affirmation yes or no when questioned on transubstantiation ie one thing transitioning into another, the modern version is "what is a woman" and like the test act it has a specific answer the modern answer is "an adult human female" so to get in office a politician has to be able to pass the test, recently the leader of the labour party passed the test.. he answered what is a woman so can now look to get in office..

for the USA like the Vatican this places England rather than the uk as thorn but a thorn to both sides as the clashes between the likes of matt walsh and the likes 0f helen joyce/JKR/Posie Parker etc highlight how far apart both sides on each side of the Atlantic are.

It’s really hard to believe all those things went on in a Catholic school in the 70’s. If true, you folks must have been infested with the “tear it all down” people long before everyone else was.
The 70s were the bad old days where gay bashing was still a pretty popular sport. Not physical bashing, but every possible little nickname and joke for gays, out loud and for everyone to hear. All the regular old guys would constantly call each other those funny names, just as a goof. This extended to racial stuff as well.
Sounds like UK was a different planet already.