The moment the trans agenda goes off the rails thread

a reply to: ABlackCat

I'm not trying to insult you.

I just assumed you were a fan of his and was curious.

originally posted by: Daughter2

Why encourage children to cutoff their body parts to fit into our culture's image of what a person should look like?

Tell me — who exactly keeps repeatedly claiming this?

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
a reply to: ABlackCat

I'm not trying to insult you.

I just assumed you were a fan of his and was curious.

You know what they say about assumptions?

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Daughter2

Why encourage children to cutoff their body parts to fit into our culture's image of what a person should look like?

Tell me — who exactly keeps repeatedly claiming this?

It is one of the most bizarre claims about the transgender community.

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a reply to: ABlackCat

The trans lobby and the agenda they're trying to push, often will corner themselves in the absence of valid scientific arguments, and will try to bring into the conversation human 'hermaphrodites'. But basic biology dictates there are no human hermaphrodites just as there are no mammal hermaphrodites.

Clearly they don't care about the validity of their arguments, given that transgenderism is a linguistic movement having no basis in science. After all these recycled and failed arguments the last one is that of the 'hermaphrodites', commonly known as intersex conditions that are nothing more than disorders of sex development.

Hermaphrodism is not to be confused with intersexuality, which is a separate and unrelated phenomenon. The usage of the term hermaphrodite to describe intersex people is considered to be offensive, and it is also scientifically incorrect as hermaphrodism does not exist in humans.

Hermaphrodism doesn't exist in humans just as transgenderism doesn't exist in humans and can't be achieved with any medical interventions, it's physically impossible. The transgender movement fails basic biology.

a reply to: ABlackCat

Part of your post earlier

It does not matter the term. Transgender individuals start to recognize their opposite genders as early as 3. Sexes are fixed. Genders can be fluid.

No evidence exist that a 3-year old can be transgender, first of all. No evidence is there they can recognise they're of the opposite gender. No evidence gender is fluid. All these aspects and language are part of the transgender ideology and dogma.

What you haven't realised is your recognition there are only two genders from what you said above and in other posts. The phrase 'recognise the opposite gender' directly implies there are only two genders (which is correct). And magically there are only two sexes, because sex = gender

a reply to: AlienBorg

we are at the point where we have passed the peak and now on the decline like covid and climate

the establishment/media and ngo's bit off more than they could chew..

the big one is being on the other side of the pseudoscience, the question we have now is how those institutions can reclaim the trust they've lost and fix the damage done to safeguarding..

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: ABlackCat


Steveray and cowboy for two. I believe you did too but I'd have to go back and look for your posts. Regardless, it is hypocritical to whine about being insulted.

The fact of the matter is that we care about transgender people.

Hey I just read your last part... thank you for admitting it. You have no place to complain. Own it.

If you don't like "groomer" then what else do you call a person who would advocate for children to be indoctrinated into the trans agenda?

Pedophile seems harsh.

Pervert?

I'd call it being a life-saver to all those parents, scientists working specifically with transgendered people to find answers, and the medical professionals who are struggling to understand what is going on here because some of it can be attributed to mental disorders while others can not. Leaving these kids alone means depression, societies ignorant discrimination, isolation, low self-esteem and worst of all potential suicide.

Now what do we call people who try to prevent these people from helping these children and adults find answers to live quality lives?

originally posted by: nickyw
a reply to: AlienBorg

we are at the point where we have passed the peak and now on the decline like covid and climate

the establishment/media and ngo's bit off more than they could chew..

the big one is being on the other side of the pseudoscience, the question we have now is how those institutions can reclaim the trust they've lost and fix the damage done to safeguarding..

We have passed the peak point of this madness but it's very unlikely anyone will ever trust the institutions that supported and still supporting this madness. Transgender people or kids don't exist, transgenderism is a movement heavily relying on linguistics with nothing else to back up their antiscientific claims.

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: nickyw
a reply to: AlienBorg

we are at the point where we have passed the peak and now on the decline like covid and climate

the establishment/media and ngo's bit off more than they could chew..

the big one is being on the other side of the pseudoscience, the question we have now is how those institutions can reclaim the trust they've lost and fix the damage done to safeguarding..

We have passed the peak point of this madness but it's very unlikely anyone will ever trust the institutions that supported and still supporting this madness. Transgender people or kids don't exist, transgenderism is a movement heavily relying on linguistics with nothing else to back up their antiscientific claims.

Your rejection of the empirical evidence which points to 'something is going on here in the brain' is simply your emotional bias overruling your logic.

a reply to: nickyw

what i've found interesting is the pollsters claims of support but the ballots/real world behaviours consistently suggest reverse numbers..

British rowing balloted members and 80% where in favour of keeping trans from female events..

the reason this is a tipping point in until recently we where assured the polls where reversed.

we got the same when the covid modellers admitting the models where to justify the policies the establishment wanted to impose not to help shape potential policy.

at times i wonder why we are seeing all peak at once.. heck we're even meant to believe we've been invaded by progressive aliens

originally posted by: nickyw
a reply to: nickyw

what i've found interesting is the pollsters claims of support but the ballots/real world behaviours consistently suggest reverse numbers..

British rowing balloted members and 80% where in favour of keeping trans from female events..

the reason this is a tipping point in until recently we where assured the polls where reversed.

we got the same when the covid modellers admitting the models where to justify the policies the establishment wanted to impose not to help shape potential policy.

at times i wonder why we are seeing all peak at once.. heck we're even meant to believe we've been invaded by progressive aliens

You really need to research how ELITE sports authorities do their assessment and testing when it comes to transwomen because different types of sports utilize different physical attributes, such as running, where studies point to transwomen retaining a 12% edge. As for other sports, more studies need to be undertaken because this situation is still controversial.

As for pollsters, just how many pollsters have done their research into this subject matter or with British rowing specifically? Or are the numbers simply waffling to and fro because it's a controversial subject?

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: nickyw
a reply to: AlienBorg

we are at the point where we have passed the peak and now on the decline like covid and climate

the establishment/media and ngo's bit off more than they could chew..

the big one is being on the other side of the pseudoscience, the question we have now is how those institutions can reclaim the trust they've lost and fix the damage done to safeguarding..

We have passed the peak point of this madness but it's very unlikely anyone will ever trust the institutions that supported and still supporting this madness. Transgender people or kids don't exist, transgenderism is a movement heavily relying on linguistics with nothing else to back up their antiscientific claims.

Your rejection of the empirical evidence which points to 'something is going on here in the brain' is simply your emotional bias overruling your logic.

What goes on in the brain is a mental health issue. It's clear.

The study you have linked earlier shows how the brain reacts in different ways brains exposed to a specific pheromone and nothing else. Nowhere it shows the brain of transgender young people is the same as their identified gender or they are now the other gender.

Anyone who misinterprets these findings does so either because they're ignorant or on purpose to push their ideology.

New findings and terminology to explain these conditions:

There are insufficient data to determine the precise prevalence of gender incongruence or dysphoria, but studies conducted in large health care systems have reported that 0.02 to 0.1% of patients meet DSM-5-TR criteria for a diagnosis of gender dysphoria. Survey-based studies of individuals in nonclinical settings have reported an even higher proportion of respondents who self-identify as transgender:

In adults, the prevalence was captured in 2 distinct groups:

Those who consider themselves transgender (0.5 to 0.6%)
Those who consider themselves gender-incongruent/diverse (0.6 to1.1%)
In children and adolescents, the same patterns in prevalence were noted:

Those who consider themselves transgender (1.2 to 2.7%)
Those who consider themselves gender-incongruent/-diverse (2.5 to 8.4%)

According to some experts, the diagnosis of gender dysphoria is primarily a general medical condition with attendant psychiatric symptoms, akin to disorders of sex development, and not primarily a mental disorder. As a result, gender incongruence and gender dysphoria are no longer listed as mental health conditions in the International Classification of Diseases, 11th Revision, but rather in a new sexual health chapter (9). The World Health Organization made this change, in part, to reduce stigma for an already stigmatized condition (10, 11). Conversely, others consider even extreme forms of gender incongruity to be neither a medical nor a psychiatric condition, but rather rare normal variants on the spectrum of human gender identity and expression.

Key term: ...and NOT primarily a mental disorder.

Key term: ...rare normal variants on the spectrum of human gender identity and expression.

www.merckmanuals.com... a

a reply to: AlienBorg

Read this:

www.merckmanuals.com... a

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: nickyw
a reply to: nickyw

what i've found interesting is the pollsters claims of support but the ballots/real world behaviours consistently suggest reverse numbers..

British rowing balloted members and 80% where in favour of keeping trans from female events..

the reason this is a tipping point in until recently we where assured the polls where reversed.

we got the same when the covid modellers admitting the models where to justify the policies the establishment wanted to impose not to help shape potential policy.

at times i wonder why we are seeing all peak at once.. heck we're even meant to believe we've been invaded by progressive aliens

You really need to research how ELITE sports authorities do their assessment and testing when it comes to transwomen because different types of sports utilize different physical attributes, such as running, where studies point to transwomen retaining a 12% edge. As for other sports, more studies need to be undertaken because this situation is still controversial.

As for pollsters, just how many pollsters have done their research into this subject matter or with British rowing specifically? Or are the numbers simply waffling to and fro because it's a controversial subject?

There is nothing controversial about transwomen in female sports. They have been banned from most female competitions due to the fact they're men and men have absolutely no place in women's sports.

To the detriment of the transgender lobby.

originally posted by: quintessentone

New findings and terminology to explain these conditions:

There are insufficient data to determine the precise prevalence of gender incongruence or dysphoria, but studies conducted in large health care systems have reported that 0.02 to 0.1% of patients meet DSM-5-TR criteria for a diagnosis of gender dysphoria. Survey-based studies of individuals in nonclinical settings have reported an even higher proportion of respondents who self-identify as transgender:

In adults, the prevalence was captured in 2 distinct groups:

Those who consider themselves transgender (0.5 to 0.6%)
Those who consider themselves gender-incongruent/diverse (0.6 to1.1%)
In children and adolescents, the same patterns in prevalence were noted:

Those who consider themselves transgender (1.2 to 2.7%)
Those who consider themselves gender-incongruent/-diverse (2.5 to 8.4%)

According to some experts, the diagnosis of gender dysphoria is primarily a general medical condition with attendant psychiatric symptoms, akin to disorders of sex development, and not primarily a mental disorder. As a result, gender incongruence and gender dysphoria are no longer listed as mental health conditions in the International Classification of Diseases, 11th Revision, but rather in a new sexual health chapter (9). The World Health Organization made this change, in part, to reduce stigma for an already stigmatized condition (10, 11). Conversely, others consider even extreme forms of gender incongruity to be neither a medical nor a psychiatric condition, but rather rare normal variants on the spectrum of human gender identity and expression.

Key term: ...and NOT primarily a mental disorder.

Key term: ...rare normal variants on the spectrum of human gender identity and expression.

www.merckmanuals.com... a

Gender dysphoria is a mental health issue used to be called gender identity disorder (more accurate). The trans agenda relies often on this mental health issue to push its claims.

originally posted by: quintessentone

New findings and terminology to explain these conditions:

There are insufficient data to determine the precise prevalence of gender incongruence or dysphoria, but studies conducted in large health care systems have reported that 0.02 to 0.1% of patients meet DSM-5-TR criteria for a diagnosis of gender dysphoria. Survey-based studies of individuals in nonclinical settings have reported an even higher proportion of respondents who self-identify as transgender:

In adults, the prevalence was captured in 2 distinct groups:

Those who consider themselves transgender (0.5 to 0.6%)
Those who consider themselves gender-incongruent/diverse (0.6 to1.1%)
In children and adolescents, the same patterns in prevalence were noted:

Those who consider themselves transgender (1.2 to 2.7%)
Those who consider themselves gender-incongruent/-diverse (2.5 to 8.4%)

According to some experts, the diagnosis of gender dysphoria is primarily a general medical condition with attendant psychiatric symptoms, akin to disorders of sex development, and not primarily a mental disorder. As a result, gender incongruence and gender dysphoria are no longer listed as mental health conditions in the International Classification of Diseases, 11th Revision, but rather in a new sexual health chapter (9). The World Health Organization made this change, in part, to reduce stigma for an already stigmatized condition (10, 11). Conversely, others consider even extreme forms of gender incongruity to be neither a medical nor a psychiatric condition, but rather rare normal variants on the spectrum of human gender identity and expression.

Key term: ...and NOT primarily a mental disorder.

Key term: ...rare normal variants on the spectrum of human gender identity and expression.

www.merckmanuals.com... a

Nowhere in these studies there is any evidence transgenderism is physically possible or anything out of the ordinary happens. To link studies about hormones and pheromones or surveys about gender dysphoria has zero impact.