Heated protests in North Hollywood over Pride assembly at elementary school

originally posted by: Jorge1986s

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels
a reply to: quintessentone

Why not opt-in to the gay stuff?

It's not gay stuff, it's diversity and inclusiveness within different family dynamics. Any other questions from children should be answered by parents. But parents, it seems, don't know how to explain it or simply don't want to face the realities of life.

...It's literally gay stuff.

Oh and your responses all sound like they are written by an A.I. program, with all the current political and LGBTQLMNOP buzzwords written into the code.

No it's not all about gay stuff, the book defines different people's family dynamics, including why children only live with their grandparents, why only with mom or only with dad, and they just added why some children have 2 moms or 2 dads. It's family dynamics only. And the deeper dive into the why? of the family dynamics is left to the parents to explain, the book does not go into detail.

There is a reason the LBGBT assembly was held in front of that particular school and if none of you can figure that out, well then there is no real discussion possible here.

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: CoyoteAngels
Studies are meaningless only when one does not want to know the truth.

You obviously don't understand anything when it comes to how studies can be constructed to 'show' whatever the one paying for it wants it to show.

There are strict, rigid rules for constructing proper, unbiased studies, and the vast majority - especially those regarding nutrition and health (including mental/emotional health) are concerned.

The vast majority of studies in the published literature are garbage/trash, worse than meaningless because they provide ammunition to those who want to push their lying agendas.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: CoyoteAngels
Studies are meaningless only when one does not want to know the truth.

You obviously don't understand anything when it comes to how studies can be constructed to 'show' whatever the one paying for it wants it to show.

There are strict, rigid rules for constructing proper, unbiased studies, and the vast majority - especially those regarding nutrition and health (including mental/emotional health) are concerned.

The vast majority of studies in the published literature are garbage/trash, worse than meaningless because they provide ammunition to those who want to push their lying agendas.

I actually do know and that is why I make sure they are peer-reviewed and published. That's about as high up in the meaningful and scientifically proven state a study can go.

a reply to: quintessentone

Science has been in trouble for a while now.

It has been an open secret for some time that there is a crisis of irreproducibility of scientific studies in medicine and other fields. No less a figure than the Director of the NIH, Dr. Francis Collins, wrote that, “the checks and balances that once ensured scientific fidelity have been hobbled. This has compromised the ability of today’s researchers to reproduce others’ findings.” For example, the National Association of Scholars reports, “In 2012 the biotechnology firm Amgen tried to reproduce 53 ‘landmark’ studies in hematology and oncology, but could only replicate 6 (11%).” In 2015 an article was published in Science in which there was an attempt to replicate 100 studies from three well-known psychology journals in 2008. In the original studies, nearly all had produced statistically significant results, whereas in the study replications, only a little over a third produced similar significant results.

You'll note the first attempt to reproduce the studies took place in 2012. The second too place three years later, and it didn't really get a whole lot better.

This is an isolated quote laying to groundwork, btw, for how one of the landmark studies that supported transgender surgery has been largely retracted.

A major correction has been issued by the American Journal of Psychiatry. The authors and editors of an October 2019 study, titled “Reduction in mental health treatment utilization among transgender individuals after gender-affirming surgeries: a total population study,” have retracted its primary conclusion. Letters to the editor by twelve authors, including ourselves, led to a reanalysis of the data and a corrected conclusion stating that in fact the data showed no improvement after surgical treatment.

They re-analysis showed no improvement after surgical treatment.

Link to full article on retraction.

But the larger issue is and remains that a large percentage of "peer-reviewed" science is unreproducible and should not be merely taken at face value. Not only should you want to see it repeated and corroborated by other studies on similar type, but you should be incredibly suspicious if the authors refuse to provide their data sets for others to attempt their own reproductions as Mann and co did with their original "Hockey Stick" graph data that started Global Warming hysteria.

a reply to: ketsuko

I absolutely agree with what you posted about repeatable studies, that is why I encourage everyone to look for studies that were repeated successfully using the same methodology, peer-reviewed, and published in a prestigious journal.

a reply to: CoyoteAngels

ktla.com...

Interesting op

Seems people feel strongly about their children

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: CoyoteAngels

ktla.com...

Interesting op

Seems people feel strongly about their children

Exactly, in polling it's still a 3-to-1 margin of American adults who believe there are only two genders.

And no one really cared until they started going after the kids maybe because:

The trans agenda didn’t fare much better on the rest of the questions. One of them asked if people approved of laws banning sex-change surgery for children. 62% agreed. A slightly smaller 59% agreed with laws that ban hormone replacement therapy for children.

And these percentages carry across to Democrats. They aren't just Republican numbers.

It's really simple: You do you, but leave the kids alone.

a reply to: ketsuko

Well the majority of parents and faculty of that school believe in educating children to face life's realities, so you do you and let the kids learn about diversity and inclusion so they become decent citizens.

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: ketsuko

Well the majority of parents and faculty of that school believe in educating children to face life's realities, so you do you and let the kids learn about diversity and inclusion so they become decent citizens.

if it really was teaching kids rational reality, that would be fine. the problem arose when parents started to see what DEI was all about. teaching white kids they are racist from birth, and black kids that they are oppressed and because of white people, they will never have a fair shot. those are all lies meant to divide and anger. That's not education, that's indoctrination.

Why do you feel the need to be on the wrong end of everything? Do you get bonus pay for that?

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: ketsuko

Well the majority of parents and faculty of that school believe in educating children to face life's realities, so you do you and let the kids learn about diversity and inclusion so they become decent citizens.

No.

That's not what school is about. That's what parenting is about.

School is about teaching children the nuts and bolts knowledge skills they need to succeed in the job world. It's up to you to take your children and teach them the social skills and "life's realities". If you want to teach them that the sky is purple and when a man chops off his penis and wears a dress, he magically becomes a woman, then that is how you parent. However, not every family feels that is appropriate or necessary for life reality.

I understand that fact my bruise you terribly, but there it is. You probably get just as offended when someone thinks your son or daughter might need to embrace Allah.

a reply to: shooterbrody

And that is why they are doing these activities in libraries and schools.

And why womens bathrooms, sports and prisons.

How long has Rue Paul's Drag Race been on TV and nobody cared? A decade or so? The Birdhouse was a hit movie!

Nobody CARED until women started losing rights and kids were involved.

And now people drawing a line in the sand are the bigots and haters and trouble makers.

After gay marriage was settled as an issue, they had to find something else to demagogue, and here we are.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: ketsuko

Well the majority of parents and faculty of that school believe in educating children to face life's realities, so you do you and let the kids learn about diversity and inclusion so they become decent citizens.

if it really was teaching kids rational reality, that would be fine. the problem arose when parents started to see what DEI was all about. teaching white kids they are racist from birth, and black kids that they are oppressed and because of white people, they will never have a fair shot. those are all lies meant to divide and anger. That's not education, that's indoctrination.

Why do you feel the need to be on the wrong end of everything? Do you get bonus pay for that?

You feel that I am on the wrong side of things, whereas I feel a lot of you here can't see beyond your limited life experiences. It is as if people here can't put themselves in others shoes/life experiences. But hey, you do you and I'll do me and I will let people 'live and let live'.

As for educating children, all parents have a say in what their child can be exposed to but most don't bother to get involved until it triggers them in some way.

In this case, some of the school's children aren't being forced to learn the dynamics of some families, the same can be applied with any subject parents don't want their children to know.

Learning about systemic racism in our society is not indoctrination it is a fact in many non-white people's lives or else there would have been no attempt at reparations in the past, and there was.

The long-term financial implications of this reversal is staggering; by some estimates, the value of 40 acres and mule for those 40,000 freed slaves would be worth $640 billion today.

a reply to: CoyoteAngels

People on both sides showed up and they all have a right to protest and should also be supporting the other sides right to protest. You don't need to agree on what they say.

a reply to: NeoNotSee

Why would people that don't have children protest at an elementary school?

One would think what parents want would be given a bit more weight?

a reply to: quintessentone

Ah ... you feel, and that's where all the problem lies.

You feel. We think.

There *is* a huge difference. Never mistake your feelings for rational thought.

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels
Why would people that don't have children protest at an elementary school?

Why do they need a reason? Just because someone didn't reproduce does not diminish their right to peaceably assemble and protest.

a reply to: NeoNotSee

Why do they need a reason? So protest for the sake of protest?

For crying out loud, you might think people would start to understand this is a serious pushback when you see:

Muslims, Christians, conservatives, liberals, whites, blacks, Hispanics, Asians, lesbians, gays, feminists, women ... all working in various ways to shout

STOP

And no one cared before they came for the women and children.

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels
Why do they need a reason? So protest for the sake of protest?

Yes, it is their right as a citizen.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: quintessentone

Ah ... you feel, and that's where all the problem lies.

You feel. We think.

There *is* a huge difference. Never mistake your feelings for rational thought.

Most of the protesters would disagree with you. This is all about fear not rational thought.