Trump captured on tape talking about classified document he kept after leaving the White House

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: Threadbare

Because Meadows is not a Cohen and will not give up anything. Look him up. He was not a Trumpster but an old school Tea Party Conservative.

There is no spotlight because there is nothing to say. Dpes he know things? Sure. Will he talk...nope.

and smith and learner cooked up
all the tea party destruction of their tax status.

so he probably has a score to settle.

a reply to: matafuchs

If Meadows' head is also on the chopping block, he talked.

If Meadows was granted immunity to compel his testimony, he talked.

Meadows only cares about Meadows. He's not going to put himself at risk for Trump.

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: MrInquisitive

CLinton lied,was impeached. barack spied,and lied, Bush lied,BOTH of them. Nixon lied. PLenty of other presidents who have done wrong. And my FAV one. Lincoln. for starting a UNconstitutional war in the south.

I DID save money under trump though. The tariffs didnt bother me at all. The tax savings alone fixed the tariff issue.
And if you cant tell this is a railroad job,you are on the wrong website.

Go back to 4 chan since you want to troll.

Uh, the Confederacy started the US Civil War. You ever hear of the shelling of Fort Sumpter? The only thing Lincoln did that was arguably unconstitutional was the suspension of habeas corpus.

I don't doubt or dispute that most all presidents lie. I'm guessing you mean Obama spied on Trump, as most all modern presidents through their agencies have spied on US citizens. I'm not going to re-litigate the findings of the Durham report, but there is no evidence that Obama sicced the DOJ/FBI on Trump. Definitely Nixon and Bush II did some illegal things; Nixon got pardoned, and this country never indicts its presidents for war crimes or spying on its citizenry; hence, Bush II got off scott free.

If you're rich enough to have come out ahead from Trump's tax cuts, then I am not surprised that the tariff-related price increases didn't bother you.

You're still claiming that this investigation against Trump is a railroading job, huh? That shows the political blinders you have on. And I am at the wrong site? Didn't know that ATS was the domain of Trump sycophants and cultists. I love how right wingers like to claim that things, including the country and this website, belong to them and not to people who disagree with them. And I don't know what you mean by going back to 4 chan. Never been there, and my impression is that the knuckle draggerism is stronger there than here. I don't troll, I challenge ridiculous and unfounded claims, and try to interject some rationality and facts into discussions.

An interesting name has just been spotted entering a Miami courthouse with his lawyer. Former Trump spokesperson and current head of the Super PAC MAGA Inc., Taylor Budowich.

a reply to: Threadbare

Wonder if this is about the investigation into his PACs, donations given under false pretentences. The Election Fraud Fund did not have one penny spent on election fraud, but millions to his friends, like 80 grand to Melania's stylist/dresses, etc.

a reply to: frogs453

I read that it was in relation to the documents case, but that may just be speculation as that is the only Florida grand jury we know about right now.

a reply to: Threadbare


You are most likely correct. There is another one investigating the PACs I believe. Not sure where that one is located.

a reply to: frogs453

So there's a major detail that just dropped in regards to this grand jury. It's in part being led by the DOJ's counterintel chief, Jay Bratt. That would indicate it's focused on the potential Espionage Act charge.

a reply to: MrInquisitive

No, the confederacy tried to leave peacefully. Lincoln set up a false flag. Lincoln refused to desert fort sumter. Lincoln needed that provocation to come from the South at all costs so that the Confederacy would be blamed for a war. The false flag of Ft. Sumter was set in motion.

On April 4th Lincoln ordered a re-supply expedition led by Gustavus V Fox to be sent to Ft Sumter. Then Lincoln notified Governor Pickens “…to expect an attempt will be made to supply Fort-Sumpter [sic] with provisions only; and that, if such attempt be not resisted, no effort to throw in men, arms, or amunition, will be made, without further notice, or in case of an attack upon the Fort.”

Governor Pickens and General Beauregard made repeated demands to Major Anderson to surrender and abandon the fort before the resupply arrived which he continued to refuse. The final demand came on April 11th to which Anderson replied he would leave the fort by noon on April 15th unless he received other orders from Lincoln or was resupplied. General Beauregard felt this response to be too conditional and unacceptable. They gave the fort a one hour notice and then began shelling with the opening shots of the civil war.

Also Im Not a right winger. I am a constitutionalist. According to the COTUS Trump had the right to have those papers.
And I am uneployed but my mom is not. she is on SS and the tax cuts reduced prices on goods. Thats where the savings came from.

And Currently Indictments are not announced ahead of time,and Meadows it is unclear if he has actually flipped at all.

I think its way past time for the south to Leave the dead country called the US.

Your snarky replies make you a troll btw. Regardless of facts or not.

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: MrInquisitive

No, the confederacy tried to leave peacefully. Lincoln set up a false flag. Lincoln refused to desert fort sumter. Lincoln needed that provocation to come from the South at all costs so that the Confederacy would be blamed for a war. The false flag of Ft. Sumter was set in motion.

On April 4th Lincoln ordered a re-supply expedition led by Gustavus V Fox to be sent to Ft Sumter. Then Lincoln notified Governor Pickens “…to expect an attempt will be made to supply Fort-Sumpter [sic] with provisions only; and that, if such attempt be not resisted, no effort to throw in men, arms, or amunition, will be made, without further notice, or in case of an attack upon the Fort.”

Governor Pickens and General Beauregard made repeated demands to Major Anderson to surrender and abandon the fort before the resupply arrived which he continued to refuse. The final demand came on April 11th to which Anderson replied he would leave the fort by noon on April 15th unless he received other orders from Lincoln or was resupplied. General Beauregard felt this response to be too conditional and unacceptable. They gave the fort a one hour notice and then began shelling with the opening shots of the civil war.

Also Im Not a right winger. I am a constitutionalist. According to the COTUS Trump had the right to have those papers.
And I am uneployed but my mom is not. she is on SS and the tax cuts reduced prices on goods. Thats where the savings came from.

And Currently Indictments are not announced ahead of time,and Meadows it is unclear if he has actually flipped at all.

I think its way past time for the south to Leave the dead country called the US.

Your snarky replies make you a troll btw. Regardless of facts or not.

Man, you don't even know what a false flag operation is??? #sad

No, Lincoln didn't desert Fort Sumpter. Wonder why not? It was only Federal property, i.e. part of the Union. He didn't force the Confederates to do anything; they chose to attack the fort. Your own post confirms this. If it were a false flag operation, it would be Union troops in Charleston Harbor, dressed in gray and flying the Stars 'n Bars shelling their own fort. To your mind I guess the "special military operation" in Ukraine by Russia is in fact an Ukrainian false flag operation.

I don't know why I bother to continue with you, but please show me where in COTUS does it say Trump has rights to all those papers? Even the ones he claims to have declassified no longer belong to him by established legal precedent. But there are classified ones as well.

The Trump tax cuts cut prices? Then why are all of you pro-Trump folks complaining about inflation? As for whether or not you're a right winger or a constitutionalist, I'd say a constitutionalist isn't necessarily from any particular political flavor of the left-to-right spectrum. And your view of the Fort Sumpter attack definitely doesn't make you sound like a constitutionalist in any case, as it was purdee much decided that states could not secede from the Union. Your thinking the South should attempt to leave the Union again also makes you not much of a constitutionalist.

No, indictments in the Mar-a-Lago documents case have not been made yet, but with the letter of Target of Investigation being handed to Trump's lawyers by the DOJ, it is almost certain that indictments will be handed down. That is what these letters are for, as I have already written here previously.

Calling the US a dead country -- that doesn't make you much of an American as far as most Americans are concerned.

Snarky replies? Sure, some. Guilty as charged. But they're made in good faith and I try to deal with facts. I prefer snark to dealing in bad faith, as a number of members on the right side of the aisle do in these political threads. I am not, however, referring to you. You seem to be straight forward in what you say, even though I dispute what you have to say.

originally posted by: Threadbare
a reply to: shooterbrody

Just the other day someone was sentenced in three years in prison for illegally retaining ~200 classified documents in their home.

did they briNg them there when they were POTUS?

originally posted by: MrInquisitive

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: MrInquisitive

No, the confederacy tried to leave peacefully. Lincoln set up a false flag. Lincoln refused to desert fort sumter. Lincoln needed that provocation to come from the South at all costs so that the Confederacy would be blamed for a war. The false flag of Ft. Sumter was set in motion.

On April 4th Lincoln ordered a re-supply expedition led by Gustavus V Fox to be sent to Ft Sumter. Then Lincoln notified Governor Pickens “…to expect an attempt will be made to supply Fort-Sumpter [sic] with provisions only; and that, if such attempt be not resisted, no effort to throw in men, arms, or amunition, will be made, without further notice, or in case of an attack upon the Fort.”

Governor Pickens and General Beauregard made repeated demands to Major Anderson to surrender and abandon the fort before the resupply arrived which he continued to refuse. The final demand came on April 11th to which Anderson replied he would leave the fort by noon on April 15th unless he received other orders from Lincoln or was resupplied. General Beauregard felt this response to be too conditional and unacceptable. They gave the fort a one hour notice and then began shelling with the opening shots of the civil war.

Also Im Not a right winger. I am a constitutionalist. According to the COTUS Trump had the right to have those papers.
And I am uneployed but my mom is not. she is on SS and the tax cuts reduced prices on goods. Thats where the savings came from.

And Currently Indictments are not announced ahead of time,and Meadows it is unclear if he has actually flipped at all.

I think its way past time for the south to Leave the dead country called the US.

Your snarky replies make you a troll btw. Regardless of facts or not.

Man, you don't even know what a false flag operation is??? #sad

No, Lincoln didn't desert Fort Sumpter. Wonder why not? It was only Federal property, i.e. part of the Union. He didn't force the Confederates to do anything; they chose to attack the fort. Your own post confirms this. If it were a false flag operation, it would be Union troops in Charleston Harbor, dressed in gray and flying the Stars 'n Bars shelling their own fort. To your mind I guess the "special military operation" in Ukraine by Russia is in fact an Ukrainian false flag operation.

I don't know why I bother to continue with you, but please show me where in COTUS does it say Trump has rights to all those papers? Even the ones he claims to have declassified no longer belong to him by established legal precedent. But there are classified ones as well.

The Trump tax cuts cut prices? Then why are all of you pro-Trump folks complaining about inflation? As for whether or not you're a right winger or a constitutionalist, I'd say a constitutionalist isn't necessarily from any particular political flavor of the left-to-right spectrum. And your view of the Fort Sumpter attack definitely doesn't make you sound like a constitutionalist in any case, as it was purdee much decided that states could not secede from the Union. Your thinking the South should attempt to leave the Union again also makes you not much of a constitutionalist.

No, indictments in the Mar-a-Lago documents case have not been made yet, but with the letter of Target of Investigation being handed to Trump's lawyers by the DOJ, it is almost certain that indictments will be handed down. That is what these letters are for, as I have already written here previously.

Calling the US a dead country -- that doesn't make you much of an American as far as most Americans are concerned.

Snarky replies? Sure, some. Guilty as charged. But they're made in good faith and I try to deal with facts. I prefer snark to dealing in bad faith, as a number of members on the right side of the aisle do in these political threads. I am not, however, referring to you. You seem to be straight forward in what you say, even though I dispute what you have to say.

OH. I KNOW!

it's called armstrong 1 same thing they used for bill clinton with his tapes.

they are trump's personal papers.

originally posted by: sarahvital

originally posted by: Threadbare
a reply to: shooterbrody

Just the other day someone was sentenced in three years in prison for illegally retaining ~200 classified documents in their home.

did they briNg them there when they were POTUS?

I know some people believe that Trump was President when he was hiding and lying about the documents he had. He was not President after Jan. Which is why the documents were the property of the government.

originally posted by: frogs453

originally posted by: sarahvital

originally posted by: Threadbare
a reply to: shooterbrody

Just the other day someone was sentenced in three years in prison for illegally retaining ~200 classified documents in their home.

did they briNg them there when they were POTUS?

I know some people believe that Trump was President when he was hiding and lying about the documents he had. He was not President after Jan. Which is why the documents were the property of the government.

oh when did he bring them. after he left office? sure.

a reply to: sarahvital

He had them,lied about them and moved and hid them when he was no longer President.

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: sarahvital

He had them,lied about them and moved and hid them when he was no longer President.

lol.

he was at mar a lago at 1140am joe was sworn in at 1147.

did trump go back to the WH saying he left his keys or something then take the "Iranian" docs?

wtf, you guys ever listen to yourselves?

So, once President Trump is indicted, as he will be, when will they indict others? A precedent will be set that is changing how every past president has handled records.

There is a certain VP who hid records and did not even move them. Is his indictment next?

a reply to: sarahvital

What do you not understand? Per the PRA the documents must be returned at the end of their term. NARA requested the documents for months. When some were finally returned, random pages of classified docs were in the boxes. Then all docs with classified markings were requested. They were not returned. When the subpoena was accepted by Trump's team, they then hid, moved and lied about them.

It is not that he had some after his Presidency. All he had to do was return them. We would not be having this discussion. But, he thought he could do whatever he wanted, and f*** the rules and law. He did this to himself.

a reply to: frogs453

how can you return what was never there? bet you NARA took out documents and lost them so they could have the exscuse to indict trump for keeping papers.

June 8, 2023

Extracted From: theconservativetreehouse.com... en-appointed-special-counsel-jack-smith/#more-247548

♦ THE TELL– Here’s the “tell” that every pundit, analyst and litigation expert will pretend they don’t notice. It’s the funniest part of the entire thing and yet no one, again except us, is noticing it.

The DOJ has already predicated the baseline of their claim by saying they cannot tell anyone, even the court, what the nature of the documents are that underpin their assertion. Remember, they wouldn’t even let a court appointed “special master” review the documents.

Stop and think about that for a moment..

NO ONE knows what the documents are, and the DOJ has stated they will never say what the documents are.

The DOJ is filing a case about the mishandling of documents, in whatever legal construct they put forth, while simultaneously saying they are under no obligation to tell anyone what the documents are!

DOJ: Trump violated USC 793 in his discussion and/or handling of documents.

Trump Lawyers: What documents?

DOJ: We can’t say, and we won’t tell you.

This indictment was RUSHED in order to drown out the Biden Corruption Bombshells delivered by the FBI to Congress today. Since Biden's crimes are much worse, his will stay front and center while Trump's arrest fades to the background, just like Fat-Boi Alvin Bragg's arrest of Donald Trump did.