Trump captured on tape talking about classified document he kept after leaving the White House

originally posted by: Threadbare
a reply to: JinMI

It is concerning, but is it illegal? If investigators can't prove intent then no.

when you can describe the way you can remove a classified document from a SCIF, I'll listen to you intently as if you know stuff. But till then, you really have to think before you speak.

a reply to: network dude

This BS about intent is because Comey lied to everyone and said it was required.

a reply to: CoyoteAngels

Oh come off it. No US President in history has been as venal, corrupt, stupid, power-hungry, unconstitutional and narcissistic as Trump. Not one. The moment they nominated him as the Republican candidate in 2016 I knew that the Republican Party is circling the plughole of history, obsessed with appearance, willing to forgive the unforgivable as long as it means that they can 'own the libs' (one of the most pathetic rallying cries in history), using his election as a chance to spew their hate and their poison everywhere, willing to suppress the vote of anyone but their base, to ban abortions no matter what the cause, to ban books and probably soon to burn them. The party of Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt is now a hollow shell, based around Trump and the veneration of him, empty of ideas but filled with hatred for things that they don't understand, like kindness and empathy. Hate's an easy sell for these people now. It's like 1984 in places for the Republican Party. Come along and have your daily hate at liberals, or minorities, or transgender people, or anything that they can label as 'other' and perhaps 'Un-American' (by a very specific definition of what that means).
Trump's been indicted again. He has no-one to blame for this other than himself this time. And there's probably more indictments coming down the road - Georgia next perhaps?
And you know what gets me? If Biden had done even a fraction of the things that Trump has, half of this board would be screaming for his immediate impeachment and trial as a traitor. It's the double standards that makes me laugh. The hypocrisy.
Oh and one more thing. Trump? Strong? Don't make me vomit. He's a moral and physical coward, none of whose family, in the past century have ever served in a military. In fact the concept of military service baffles the revolting little - in every sense - man.
Hate? Pointing out that someone has committed a crime is hate? Your definition of hate is different from mine.

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

Cool now do the other guy.

Good rant!

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

Bribery influence peddling sending his coke/ sex addict son out as bagman uses grandkids to stash the bribes

'where's the money?' Indeed


there did it for ya

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
a reply to: CoyoteAngels

Oh come off it. No US President in history has been as venal, corrupt, stupid, power-hungry, unconstitutional and narcissistic as Trump. Not one. The moment they nominated him as the Republican candidate in 2016 I knew that the Republican Party is circling the plughole of history, obsessed with appearance, willing to forgive the unforgivable as long as it means that they can 'own the libs' (one of the most pathetic rallying cries in history), using his election as a chance to spew their hate and their poison everywhere, willing to suppress the vote of anyone but their base, to ban abortions no matter what the cause, to ban books and probably soon to burn them. The party of Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt is now a hollow shell, based around Trump and the veneration of him, empty of ideas but filled with hatred for things that they don't understand, like kindness and empathy. Hate's an easy sell for these people now. It's like 1984 in places for the Republican Party. Come along and have your daily hate at liberals, or minorities, or transgender people, or anything that they can label as 'other' and perhaps 'Un-American' (by a very specific definition of what that means).
Trump's been indicted again. He has no-one to blame for this other than himself this time. And there's probably more indictments coming down the road - Georgia next perhaps?
And you know what gets me? If Biden had done even a fraction of the things that Trump has, half of this board would be screaming for his immediate impeachment and trial as a traitor. It's the double standards that makes me laugh. The hypocrisy.
Oh and one more thing. Trump? Strong? Don't make me vomit. He's a moral and physical coward, none of whose family, in the past century have ever served in a military. In fact the concept of military service baffles the revolting little - in every sense - man.
Hate? Pointing out that someone has committed a crime is hate? Your definition of hate is different from mine.

Well said. Keep up the good fight.

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels
a reply to: AngryCymraeg

Bribery influence peddling sending his coke/ sex addict son out as bagman uses grandkids to stash the bribes

'where's the money?' Indeed


there did it for ya

Doing it here too, I see.

And the irony of this post of your vis-a-vis Trump is evidently quite lost on you. Seems Don Jr. is a coke head, and Don Sr. is a self-confessed serial sexual assaulter who has been found guilty of the offense as well. I'll take a consensual sex addict over a serial sexual assaulter any day.

As for Don Jr.'s purported drug use, if it walks like a coke-sniiffing duck and talks like a coke-sniffing duck, it's a coke-sniffing duck. And seriously, did you notice his eyes when he was on stage at the 2020 GOP convention?

As for where's the money, how about the multitude of Trademarks given Ivanka by China after her Daddy...

...vowed to find a way to prevent a major Chinese telecommunications company from going bust, even though the company has a history of violating American limits on doing business with countries like Iran and North Korea.

Ivanka Trump Wins China Trademarks, Then Her Father Vows to Save ZTE


And how about Trump's son-in-law's good fortune with the Saudis after the end of his term as Trump Plenipotentiary Extraordinaire in the Middle East?

Six months after leaving the White House, Jared Kushner secured a $2 billion investment from a fund led by the Saudi crown prince, a close ally during the Trump administration, despite objections from the fund’s advisers about the merits of the deal.

Before Giving Billions to Jared Kushner, Saudi Investment Fund Had Big Doubts

Lord knows Jared is a business whiz. That's why he needed investors to bail out a bad business decision by himself.

In August 2018, an economic miracle for the ages took place. Eleven years after a 26-year-old Jared Kushner plunked down a record-setting $1.8 billion on an aging Midtown skyscraper (on the eve of the financial crisis, no less), and just six months before the Kushner family would have to come up with the $1.4 billion it owed on the mortgage for the aptly named 666 Fifth Avenue, an alternative investment firm named Brookfield Asset Management came to the family business’s rescue. That rescue entailed taking on a 99-year lease for the place, which had become an albatross around Jared & Co’s necks, and, The New York Times reported at the time, paying a whopping $1.1 billion in upfront rent; coupled with the reported negotiations between Jared’s father, Charles Kushner, and the company’s lenders, to pay less than Kushner Companies was in debt for, the family narrowly escaped a major financial pickle.

Democrats Want Answers About Jared Kushner’s Very Shady Middle East Deal (No, Not the Saudi One!)


But the Bidens may or not be swimming around in $5 million in cash from a foreign country.

The contrast reminds me of this:



Peace out and keep those ironic, cognitively dissonant posts a'comin'.

a reply to: MrInquisitive

For someone that demands evidence, I'm going to say allergy eyes isn't enough. The other guy was asleep with a crack pipe.

a reply to: MrInquisitive

Ive already told you I spend none of my time trying to absorb your rants. But you are free to keep on composing them anytime if you've nothing better to do.

originally posted by: MrInquisitive
It appears that the DOJ has some very incriminating evidence against Donald Trump in the Mar-a-Lago documents scandal. According to the article from CNN (link below) there are both witnesses and audiotape of Trump discussing at least one classified document concerning US contingency plans for an attack on Iran. In the taped conversation he acknowledges that he has the document and that he knows that he can no longer declassify it, being that he is no longer president. The persons he discussed this with did not have security clearances, so that in effect he was divulging classified information, which makes him susceptible to prosecution under the Espionage Act. It also undercuts his claim that he declassified all the documents in his possession.

CNN

Federal prosecutors have obtained an audio recording of a summer 2021 meeting in which former President Donald Trump acknowledges he held onto a classified Pentagon document about a potential attack on Iran, multiple sources told CNN, undercutting his argument that he declassified everything.

The recording indicates Trump understood he retained classified material after leaving the White House, according to multiple sources familiar with the investigation. On the recording, Trump’s comments suggest he would like to share the information but he’s aware of limitations on his ability post-presidency to declassify records, two of the sources said.

CNN has not listened to the recording, but multiple sources described it. One source said the relevant portion on the Iran document is about two minutes long, and another source said the discussion is a small part of a much longer meeting.

Special counsel Jack Smith, who is leading the Justice Department investigation into Trump, has focused on the meeting as part of the criminal investigation into Trump’s handling of national security secrets. Sources describe the recording as an “important” piece of evidence in a possible case against Trump, who has repeatedly asserted he could retain presidential records and “automatically” declassify documents.

Prosecutors have asked witnesses about the recording and the document before a federal grand jury. The episode has generated enough interest for investigators to have questioned Gen. Mark Milley, one of the highest-ranking Trump-era national security officials, about the incident.

The revelation that the former president and commander-in-chief has been captured on tape discussing a classified document could raise his legal exposure as he continues his third bid for the White House.

Trump and his attorneys have given several different, often conflicting, explanations for why Trump didn’t intentionally retain classified materials in violation of federal law. 

Initially, Trump allies argued he had a “standing declassification order” so that documents removed from the Oval Office were immediately declassified.  A few weeks later, Trump told Fox News that he could declassify things “just by thinking about it.”

Earlier this year, Trump’s legal team told Congress that classified material was inadvertently packed up at the end of the administration. Most recently, Trump told CNN at a town hall that materials were “automatically declassified” when he took them.

However, there’s no indication Trump followed the legally mandated declassification process, and his attorneys have avoided saying so far in court whether Trump declassified records he kept.

The Jack Smith investigation of Trump appears to be leaving no stone unturned. Hence, there may be yet more very incriminating evidence against the twice impeached president who already is charged with 34 felony counts for financial crimes in NY. This account belies Trump's and his legal teams claims about why these classified documents were withheld in the first place, raising his criminal exposure in the case.

It also makes one wonder what additional information the Feds have on Trump regarding the Jan 6 riot at the capitol, and the attempt to thwart the transfer of power to the newly elected president on that day.

" According to the article from CNN "


Ah Yeah , About that . Your Entire Accusation here is Based on a CNN Report ? You Consider CNN A Credible Verifiable News Source ? ..Hmm... Seems " Someone " has Fallen into the " Fake News " Trap and Cannot Save Face by getting Out Or by Doubling Down Instead..........Anyone who would even Consider the Validity of those Claims is a FOOL........

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels
a reply to: AngryCymraeg

Cool now do the other guy.

Good rant!

You deserve a medal for reading all of that, LOL.

Cutting through the noise to what's important, we find.

Indictment #2 Helps Trump Similarly to Indictment #1: www.bostonherald.com...

Americans have been exposed to Good vs Evil for over 200 years. We know to root for the GOOD GUYS.

Did Trump sell them or give them to an enemy? Did he destroy them?

There is no intent WHICH IS NEEDED to convict while there is massive, projectile vomit and explosive diarrhea level precedent by the accepted SAME BEHAVIOR of all previous presidents.

Only Trump stored the docs in a secret service, federally protected dwelling unlike others.

a reply to: carewemust

Nope, no hero here. I didn't read much of it at all. Ain't nobody got time for that!

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels
a reply to: Saloon

Not a single American citizen has ever been subjected to as much HATE as Donald Trump.

Nobody can deny what they have done, regardless of how you feel about him, he has been hounded nearly to death. He is a strong person to be able to withstand this and want to keep at it. How long ago I would have just said f' it I'm going to go enjoy my money and my life while I still can.

The left is still in the fever of the moment. History will be far more kind after the orgy of hate dies away.

As a percentage of the population, albeit not total number, I submit that John Brown, Abraham Lincoln and William Tecumseh Sherman were hated more and much more zealously than Donald Trump, and if you're adding up cumulative hate over time, I have no doubt that William Tecumseh Sherman takes the cake. And in terms of total numbers I think Charlie Manson was hated more than Donald Trump. Again, as a percentage of the population, I'd imagine that Benedict Arnold was hated more and most certainly more zealously than Donald Trump.

But you're equating dislike and thinking he is crooked with hate, and that is being disingenuous. Do you see many people claiming Trump is evil? I sure haven't, particularly at this site, but I see plenty of people writing that Biden is evil. So who's doing all the hating? And I think a large portion of Trump supporters nationwide have been brainwashed into thinking this as well. So who's received more hate, Trump or Biden? I honestly think Biden has. I would, however, fully agree with you that more people think Trump is a criminal and crooked than think Biden is. Claiming that Trump is the most hated American citizen is just plain sophistry. Orgy of hate against him? What on earth is all this animus towards Biden on this site and throughout the country? Heck, Trump even got his supporters to want to hang Mike Pence.

But thinking about it more, I think there is another American citizen who is more hated than even Trump or Biden. Care to guess??

Hillary Rodham Clinton

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

One of his legal team members said during an interview that she is not licensed in Florida so cannot be his attorney of record on the case, but remains as an advisor.

I don't know if she is one of those rats jumping off a sinking ship you are talking about or not.

originally posted by: carewemust
Cutting through the noise to what's important, we find.

Indictment #2 Helps Trump Similarly to Indictment #1: www.bostonherald.com...

Americans have been exposed to Good vs Evil for over 200 years. We know to root for the GOOD GUYS.

Who is we?

Didn't a lot of Americans root for Jeff Davis, Robert E Lee, Jeb Stuart, Stonewall Jackson and Nathan Bedford Forrest at one time, and even down through the years? Weren't they traitors to the Union, i.e. the nation, who were responsible for the killing and maiming of hundreds of thousands of loyal American soldiers and sailors? How about those that rooted for Charles Lindbergh and his America First followers before and during WWII? Even after the war started he thought the US shouldn't have entered even though Japan attacked us, and Germany declared war on the US.

Once again engaging in sophistry often results in crashing headlong into mighty inconvenient facts.

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels
a reply to: MrInquisitive

For someone that demands evidence, I'm going to say allergy eyes isn't enough. The other guy was asleep with a crack pipe.

Allergy eyes in an air-conditioned convention center? Apparently you've never had hay fever or heard of antihistamines.

FTR I consider this a snappy retort and not a rant.

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels
a reply to: MrInquisitive

Ive already told you I spend none of my time trying to absorb your rants. But you are free to keep on composing them anytime if you've nothing better to do.

Didn't realize you already said that, but thanks for confirming that you don't bother reading what your ideological opponents write, and rather prefer to blithely write off-topic posts. You're really helping your cause.

a reply to: MrInquisitive

Which is evidence and which isn't? A photograph of one man asleep with a crack pipe vs watery red eyes?

I think I've figured out why you believe as you do.