Trump captured on tape talking about classified document he kept after leaving the White House

originally posted by: Threadbare
a reply to: shooterbrody

EO 13526 and 32 CFR Part 2001 requires that all classified information be uniformly and conspicuously marked as to leave no doubt as to its classification status.

Really, do they use a pen upon classifying the information?
Also is it still “classified “ if it is “marked”?

Lol
Mkay

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: Threadbare

He expects us to believe that classified docs are not noted as such? So no one would have any idea? Then how did they even turn over documents wrapped in tape as required for classified docs?

This is the flipping and spinning magadonians constantly do.

No
Just pointing out how little you know about the process.
The potus can declassify as is his right, marked or not.
How that point keeps eluding you I will never understand.

A raid for declassified docs from a warrant on a non criminal statute.

No more than base political persecution.

a reply to: shooterbrody

Sec. 1.6. Identification and Markings. (a) At the time of original classification, the following shall be indicated in a manner that is immediately apparent:

(1) one of the three classification levels defined in section 1.2 of this order;

(2) the identity, by name and position, or by personal identifier, of the original classification authority;

(3) the agency and office of origin, if not otherwise evident;

(4) declassification instructions, which shall indicate one of the following:

(A) the date or event for declassification, as prescribed in section 1.5(a);

(B) the date that is 10 years from the date of original classification, as prescribed in section 1.5(b);

(C) the date that is up to 25 years from the date of original classification, as prescribed in section 1.5(b); or

(D) in the case of information that should clearly and demonstrably be expected to reveal the identity of a confidential human source or a human intelligence source or key design concepts of weapons of mass destruction, the marking prescribed in implementing directives issued pursuant to this order; and

(5) a concise reason for classification that, at a minimum, cites the applicable classification categories in section 1.4 of this order.

(b) Specific information required in paragraph (a) of this section may be excluded if it would reveal additional classified information.

(c) With respect to each classified document, the agency originating the document shall, by marking or other means, indicate which portions are classified, with the applicable classification level, and which portions are unclassified. In accordance with standards prescribed in directives issued under this order, the Director of the Information Security Oversight Office may grant and revoke temporary waivers of this requirement. The Director shall revoke any waiver upon a finding of abuse.

(d) Markings or other indicia implementing the provisions of this order, including abbreviations and requirements to safeguard classified working papers, shall conform to the standards prescribed in implementing directives issued pursuant to this order.

(e) Foreign government information shall retain its original classification markings or shall be assigned a U.S. classification that provides a degree of protection at least equivalent to that required by the entity that furnished the information. Foreign government information retaining its original classification markings need not be assigned a U.S. classification marking provided that the responsible agency determines that the foreign government markings are adequate to meet the purposes served by U.S. classification markings.

(f) Information assigned a level of classification under this or predecessor orders shall be considered as classified at that level of classification despite the omission of other required markings. Whenever such information is used in the derivative classification process or is reviewed for possible declassification, holders of such information shall coordinate with an appropriate classification authority for the application of omitted markings.

(g) The classification authority shall, whenever practicable, use a classified addendum whenever classified information constitutes a small portion of an otherwise unclassified document or prepare a product to allow for dissemination at the lowest level of classification possible or in unclassified form.

(h) Prior to public release, all declassified records shall be appropriately marked to reflect their declassification.

Source

a reply to: Threadbare
Interestingly the responsibility is on the agency, not the authority.
How did you miss that?

You should research plenary power.

Your assertion the president is responsible for any of the minutia is ludicrous.
But that’s how political persecution works right?

a reply to: Threadbare

The US president has the authority to override all of those classification and declassification guidelines.

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: Threadbare

He expects us to believe that classified docs are not noted as such? So no one would have any idea? Then how did they even turn over documents wrapped in tape as required for classified docs?

This is the flipping and spinning magadonians constantly do.

No
Just pointing out how little you know about the process.
The potus can declassify as is his right, marked or not.
How that point keeps eluding you I will never understand.

A raid for declassified docs from a warrant on a non criminal statute.

No more than base political persecution.

But we were discussing the subpoena which specified "any document with classified markings" If Trump declassified them but did not have the markings crossed out along with the other requirements, even if it was up to Kash or whoever to do it, then those docs still had classified markings and were to be returned. Not lied about and moved. His attorneys have not fought that the subpoena or the search were illegal or should not have been issued. Nor that his rights were infringed. The only argument they made in court was that the docs fell under his no longer executive privilege, or were Personal Records, which are clearly defined. And some they astonishingly claimed were both.

So, how will you spin this next?

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Threadbare

The US president has the authority to override all of those classification and declassification guidelines.

They hate trump so much they deny he had any plenary power as president.
It’s ridiculous.

a reply to: shooterbrody

Once again, the subpoena didn't say he had to hand over all classified materials. It said he had to turn over all documents that had classified markings. He intentionally failed to do so.

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Threadbare

The US president has the authority to override all of those classification and declassification guidelines.

They hate trump so much they deny he had any plenary power as president.
It’s ridiculous.

It's ridiculous that you do not see that whether he declassified them or not, they still had the markings. Whether he or his lowly aide did not remove them is not the problem of the government. They were still marked and again required to return. He chose to lie about returning all of them and move/ hide them from the subpoena. You can be sure his lawyers explained what classified markings are when they got the subpoena and what was required even if the stable genius didn't understand.

a reply to: frogs453

On a warrant obtained without disclosing the declassification or the non criminal statute.
The agency was weaponized to politically persecute Bidens opponent.

It’s vile
As are those who support such political persecution usually only seen in communist nations.
Hope you are proud.

a reply to: frogs453
And we are back to no prosecutor would charge, even with evidence previously.
But this crap passes muster?

No more than base political persecution.
Own it.

originally posted by: Threadbare
a reply to: shooterbrody

Once again, the subpoena didn't say he had to hand over all classified materials. It said he had to turn over all documents that had classified markings. He intentionally failed to do so.

As did Hillary.
With no prosecution.

Own it

a reply to: shooterbrody

Who did he tell that the docs were declassified? They only knew that pages of classified docs were found in the items he sent back. Did you see any orders? Did he claim he declassified docs when he was asking for extensions? Did his lawyers claim it in court? No and no.

a reply to: shooterbrody

Yep. The FBI lied to the judge to get the search warrant... just like they lied to the FISA judges, by not telling them the entire counterintelligence operation against Donald Trump was a Hillary Clinton idea, placed in motion by President Barack Obama.

The top people at the FBI will soon be despised and hated by the tens of thousands of honest people working there.

When it comes to classification and declassification, the US president is the equivalent of God.

I know it's a hard concept to grasp, but that is the truth.

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: shooterbrody

Who did he tell that the docs were declassified? They only knew that pages of classified docs were found in the items he sent back. Did you see any orders? Did he claim he declassified docs when he was asking for extensions? Did his lawyers claim it in court? No and no.

Is he required to tell anyone as potus?
Perhaps the “investigators” could have asked the president.
Doesn’t seem to difficult.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: shooterbrody

Yep. The FBI lied to the judge to get the search warrant... just like they lied to the FISA judges, by not telling them the entire counterintelligence operation against Donald Trump was a Hillary Clinton idea, placed in motion by President Barack Obama.

The top people at the FBI will soon be despised and hated by the tens of thousands of honest people working there.

It’s not the first time the fbi has been the arm of political persecution.
Probably won’t be the last.
They have absolutely no credibility in this.

a reply to: shooterbrody

The DOJ stated they were unable to prove intent, as a result they could not bring charges.

That's not going to be a problem in Trump's case as he's even said at his rallies that he believes the documents belong to him.

a reply to: shooterbrody

Huh, ok. So you're going with, they requested classified marked docs. He for 5 months until the subpoena never once tells his attorneys or anyone that he declassified them. But it's the governments fault they didn't know? And weirdly enough he still isn't claiming this in court.

a reply to: Threadbare
Since you are new, the agency who called the fbi is supposed to work with the outgoing potus.
Not apply their will.
Did they even ask the president about the classification status?
Hmm… all this could have been avoided had they simply asked.

No
No they didn’t
Nor did they inform the magistrate, that some claimed was beheaded, who issued the flawed warrant.

It’s simply more trash from the trashy weaponization of executive branch agencies.
It’s disgusting.