Transwoman cyclist Austin Killips wins women's race and causes outrage!

a reply to: stevieray

That's just your interpretation... Have fun with it...

As for the gender discourse it's...

I think, therefore I am
Not
I am, therfore I think...

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: stevieray

That's just your interpretation... Have fun with it...

As for the gender discourse it's...

I think, therefore I am
Not
I am, therfore I think...

The millennia of social / family structure, and the copious amount of research / analysis in the modern era, are not “my interpretation”.
It’s funny, we are forever throwing “projection !” at each other. Your “interpretation” claim is awesome, as we read your feelz and your announcements that they are fact, in every thread.
We can only lulz about it.

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: stevieray

That's just your interpretation... Have fun with it...

As for the gender discourse it's...

I think, therefore I am
Not
I am, therfore I think...

Plus, I really dig your closing mantra. Repeated almost as many times as Annee’s “it’s whatever your brain/ heart is”.
Lulz indeed.

a reply to: Terpene

Really? So you don't need a brain to produce thoughts? Even AI needs the machine.

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: Boadicea

That was specifically garnered to Asmodeus and his line of reasoning. Your approach is much more differentiated.

Whatever your reasons, I'm just glad we're talking all civil-like now! Maybe we can make it contagious 😏

I think sports is really simple, no emotional approach need, chromosomes are the one defining factor.
As long as the application of your arguments apply to the playing field we don't disagree.

Okay, so we agree up to this point. At least for the most part.

But once they leave it, sociology and psychology can not be dismissed in the intent to find solutions to the apparent problems.

I'm not sure I understand how you mean this. So let me know where we start disagreeing again...

As I've already explained, "male/man" and "female/woman" are entirely sex-based words, so any related psychology/sociology must also be sex-based. So the "apparent" problem (to me) is that some men and women are claiming a sex-based status -- socially and psychologically -- that is not their's to claim.

So whereas we expect men and women to be socially and psychologically informed and influenced by their sex-based anatomy/biology, there is no reason for anyone to be informed and influenced by the biology/anatomy of the opposite sex.

This is why it makes no sense (to me) for a man to "feel" or "think" like a woman and vice versa. There is no foundation for such feelings.

In reality the problems aren't even the crimes committed as they are regulated already...

To a certain extent, I agree. Except much of what trans activists are demanding makes exceptions for trans identifying persons. For example, a man exposing his penis publicly is committing a crime, unless he "identifies" as a woman in a ladies bathroom/shower/locker room.

And the sad truth is that men as a class commit a disproportionate number of violent crimes, and women are far less capable of physically defending themselves against male predators.

Hence the safeguards of single-sex spaces because it is sex-based -- the predators are male and the prey is female-- with all the physical and sexual realities thereof.

...it's the loopholes in the social dynamics that lets perverts have their time.

I don't know what "loopholes" you refer to. The loopholes I see are the exceptions and exemptions made for men who identify as women, and to a lesser extent, for women who identify as men.

Really...?

Yes, really.

Want to make a bet that the list of commonalities are longer than the difference...

The only thing all women share is our sex-based anatomy/biology. What do men who identify with women share with all women?

Sure, you can find plenty of similarities between some men and some women... and plenty of similarities between some trans persons and some women.

What traits do men who identify as women have with all women?

We're talking about humans doesn't matter what you think you are.

It does when words have specific definitions to designate a particular objective thing. In this case, the sex-based words "man" and "woman".

For many reasons we need these words and we need them to be clear and unconfused. Not what someone thinks they are or want to be (subjective), but what their physical reality is (objective).

It matters on what you want to focuse... Differences or commonality.

So, again, what do men who identify as women have in common with all women but not men? What are their commonalities?

we can always make one diffrence, among a sea of commonalities, an insurmontable one if we choose to.

Again, what commonalities do men who identify as women have in common with all women but not men?

but for now the only insurmountable diffrence I undoubtedly see, smell and feel, is the reproductive tract.
everything else are ideas and concepts in the head.

The reproductive tract is the only thing all women have in common. What do men who identify as women have in common with all women but not men?

If we don't go to the women are so special and vulnerable and need protection by default we dont disagree.

I don't believe women are "special." I know women are different than men.

I do disagree in that women do require safeguards from known threats, including men. I also know women need accommodations for their physical needs and realities that men do not have.

Do you really think it's right to remove safeguards for women?

women are not special not anymore then man. Theyre just humans. Fears and hopes...

a reply to: Boadicea

Sounds to me like you cling alot to that role to define yourself.
No one is claiming anything, especially not away from you or any other women. there is enough women hood for everyone, and no one can take yours away...
Men can attest from experience it's no threat to your gender identity or society if you let the other gender into your circles. I'm sure some were afraid that the whole society would collapse too...

Man/women
Black/white

It's about the reasoning when approaching other humans.

we have always found differences amongst humans, and we managed to make them bigger than the similarities, so much so, to justify horrible things.

Sexism and racism is almost identical in it's logic. And make no mistake women can reason along sexist lines too.
Try and change all your man and women with black and white and see how it sounds...

So when you talk about humans, you don't see their nose in the middle of their faces, their left foot big toe on the right, a head between two ears, the smelly # that sometimes even comes out of their mouth? You see man and women?
Somehow the vast majority of similarities only become apparent when the blood runs and shocker, everyone's blood is red too...

It really depends on what you want to focuse on... What divides us or what unites us.
from my experience focusing on what unites us, is much more rewarding.

To come back to where we disagree...

I'm for banning dicks in women's lockers, and pussy in mens lockers. No matter the chromosomes.
I don't want men to shower with pussy nor women with dicks. I don't care about their chromosomes what matters are the genitals.

nakedness and opposite gender genitalia surely is a big trigger for things to go awry, but women can be attacked anywhere.
Again I don't want dicks in women's lockers, there is no place for dicks in womens lockers.
But a manly lesbian has all the ressources a man with pussy has, to attack women so that's not really an argument...

What I'm really worried about is mens locker dynamics when we go all retard with Chromosomes.
Because damn that won't end well, if you force a man with pussy into a testosterone loaded locker because chromosomes.
Pretty twisted form of manrape. I can imagine the traumas that one must have to advocate for that.

Those gender specific places are so old my guess is they were primarily made to keep women's dirty business all hush-hush.
It was shunned, and men didn't want them to mess up their precious place, not really to protect women.

Women really had a hard time back then and certainly could need that safe space.

That's just not the time we live in anymore. Women are protected by law, have all the rights men have and more, yet when it came to also receive all duties men have they thankfully declined. how's that for not being special?

You don't have to be ashamed to be a women anymore.
And if you do, I bet there will still be private stalls and no one will force you to talk about it. But people do talk about all things sexuality openly now a days. without shame or fear of prejudice or disgust or thinking about sex.

Just love and genuine interest for each other, steaming from a deep understanding, that in the end despite the differences, we're all the same...

It's interesting to me, that up until technology became good enough for one to be fooled by adhering to the standard categorization markers, to apply a binary gender system, we never worried about chromosomes.
Now suddenly we want to force everyone to tatoo xx or xy onto his forehead.
Breast and pussy, and, dick and beard suddenly aren't enough anymore... But why?

Someone might be affraid to feel attracted to the same chromosomes, basically circumventing his phobias, we don't like that and tend to react very viciously when such things happen especially when we didn't ask for it... Sometimes society is a bitch when it comes to personal traumas...

Loopholes I forgot ok, like transgender being vaguely defined, making it that a cross dresser can go into a womens locker by identifying as transexual. the legal vocabulary has to adress the diffrent varieties of gender roles, and make clear who goes where and when.
But oh the newspeak can't have those things accurately defined Beacuse they are just deluded ideologies, well never use their vocabulary... Yet only that makes it possible to adress the issue in a sensible way and make legislation that solves the locker issues. the makers of their own drama...

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: Boadicea

Sounds to me like you cling alot to that role to define yourself.
No one is claiming anything, especially not away from you or any other women. there is enough women hood for everyone, and no one can take yours away...
Men can attest from experience it's no threat to your gender identity or society if you let the other gender into your circles. I'm sure some were afraid that the whole society would collapse too...

Man/women
Black/white

It's about the reasoning when approaching other humans.

we have always found differences amongst humans, and we managed to make them bigger than the similarities, so much so, to justify horrible things.

Sexism and racism is almost identical in it's logic. And make no mistake women can reason along sexist lines too.
Try and change all your man and women with black and white and see how it sounds...

So when you talk about humans, you don't see their nose in the middle of their faces, their left foot big toe on the right, a head between two ears, the smelly # that sometimes even comes out of their mouth? You see man and women?
Somehow the vast majority of similarities only become apparent when the blood runs and shocker, everyone's blood is red too...

It really depends on what you want to focuse on... What divides us or what unites us.
from my experience focusing on what unites us, is much more rewarding.

To come back to where we disagree...

I'm for banning dicks in women's lockers, and pussy in mens lockers. No matter the chromosomes.
I don't want men to shower with pussy nor women with dicks. I don't care about their chromosomes what matters are the genitals.

nakedness and opposite gender genitalia surely is a big trigger for things to go awry, but women can be attacked anywhere.
Again I don't want dicks in women's lockers, there is no place for dicks in womens lockers.
But a manly lesbian has all the ressources a man with pussy has, to attack women so that's not really an argument...

What I'm really worried about is mens locker dynamics when we go all retard with Chromosomes.
Because damn that won't end well, if you force a man with pussy into a testosterone loaded locker because chromosomes.
Pretty twisted form of manrape. I can imagine the traumas that one must have to advocate for that.

Those gender specific places are so old my guess is they were primarily made to keep women's dirty business all hush-hush.
It was shunned, and men didn't want them to mess up their precious place, not really to protect women.

Women really had a hard time back then and certainly could need that safe space.

That's just not the time we live in anymore. Women are protected by law, have all the rights men have and more, yet when it came to also receive all duties men have they thankfully declined. how's that for not being special?

You don't have to be ashamed to be a women anymore.
And if you do, I bet there will still be private stalls and no one will force you to talk about it. But people do talk about all things sexuality openly now a days. without shame or fear of prejudice or disgust or thinking about sex.

Just love and genuine interest for each other, steaming from a deep understanding, that in the end despite the differences, we're all the same...

It's interesting to me, that up until technology became good enough for one to be fooled by adhering to the standard categorization markers, to apply a binary gender system, we never worried about chromosomes.
Now suddenly we want to force everyone to tatoo xx or xy onto his forehead.
Breast and pussy, and, dick and beard suddenly aren't enough anymore... But why?

Someone might be affraid to feel attracted to the same chromosomes, basically circumventing his phobias, we don't like that and tend to react very viciously when such things happen especially when we didn't ask for it... Sometimes society is a bitch when it comes to personal traumas...

Loopholes I forgot ok, like transgender being vaguely defined, making it that a cross dresser can go into a womens locker by identifying as transexual. the legal vocabulary has to adress the diffrent varieties of gender roles, and make clear who goes where and when.
But oh the newspeak can't have those things accurately defined Beacuse they are just deluded ideologies, well never use their vocabulary... Yet only that makes it possible to adress the issue in a sensible way and make legislation that solves the locker issues. the makers of their own drama...

Gender is not an identity but a manifestation of the chromosomal make up of an individual. You are still confusing gender ideology with science.

The topic of this thread proves precisely what happens when gender ideology meets reality.

a reply to: Terpene

You said above

I'm for banning dicks in women's lockers, and pussy in mens lockers. No matter the chromosomes

You are trying desperately to put transmen with pseudo-genitalia in men's spaces. And transwomen with pseudo-genitalia in women's spaces.

External genitalia doesn't determine biological sex as surgery can remove them. It's the X & Y chromosomes that tell you the sex of a person.

Again you need to take a look at the topic of this thread.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

Dude that's just your opinion, something new for a change?

a reply to: Asmodeus3

So you are advocating for manrape?

That would actually make an awful lot of sense...

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: Boadicea

Sounds to me like you cling alot to that role to define yourself.
No one is claiming anything, especially not away from you or any other women. there is enough women hood for everyone, and no one can take yours away...
Men can attest from experience it's no threat to your gender identity or society if you let the other gender into your circles. I'm sure some were afraid that the whole society would collapse too...

Man/women
Black/white

It's about the reasoning when approaching other humans.

we have always found differences amongst humans, and we managed to make them bigger than the similarities, so much so, to justify horrible things.

Sexism and racism is almost identical in it's logic. And make no mistake women can reason along sexist lines too.
Try and change all your man and women with black and white and see how it sounds...

So when you talk about humans, you don't see their nose in the middle of their faces, their left foot big toe on the right, a head between two ears, the smelly # that sometimes even comes out of their mouth? You see man and women?
Somehow the vast majority of similarities only become apparent when the blood runs and shocker, everyone's blood is red too...

It really depends on what you want to focuse on... What divides us or what unites us.
from my experience focusing on what unites us, is much more rewarding.

To come back to where we disagree...

I'm for banning dicks in women's lockers, and pussy in mens lockers. No matter the chromosomes.
I don't want men to shower with pussy nor women with dicks. I don't care about their chromosomes what matters are the genitals.

nakedness and opposite gender genitalia surely is a big trigger for things to go awry, but women can be attacked anywhere.
Again I don't want dicks in women's lockers, there is no place for dicks in womens lockers.
But a manly lesbian has all the ressources a man with pussy has, to attack women so that's not really an argument...

What I'm really worried about is mens locker dynamics when we go all retard with Chromosomes.
Because damn that won't end well, if you force a man with pussy into a testosterone loaded locker because chromosomes.
Pretty twisted form of manrape. I can imagine the traumas that one must have to advocate for that.

Those gender specific places are so old my guess is they were primarily made to keep women's dirty business all hush-hush.
It was shunned, and men didn't want them to mess up their precious place, not really to protect women.

Women really had a hard time back then and certainly could need that safe space.

That's just not the time we live in anymore. Women are protected by law, have all the rights men have and more, yet when it came to also receive all duties men have they thankfully declined. how's that for not being special?

You don't have to be ashamed to be a women anymore.
And if you do, I bet there will still be private stalls and no one will force you to talk about it. But people do talk about all things sexuality openly now a days. without shame or fear of prejudice or disgust or thinking about sex.

Just love and genuine interest for each other, steaming from a deep understanding, that in the end despite the differences, we're all the same...

It's interesting to me, that up until technology became good enough for one to be fooled by adhering to the standard categorization markers, to apply a binary gender system, we never worried about chromosomes.
Now suddenly we want to force everyone to tatoo xx or xy onto his forehead.
Breast and pussy, and, dick and beard suddenly aren't enough anymore... But why?

Someone might be affraid to feel attracted to the same chromosomes, basically circumventing his phobias, we don't like that and tend to react very viciously when such things happen especially when we didn't ask for it... Sometimes society is a bitch when it comes to personal traumas...

Loopholes I forgot ok, like transgender being vaguely defined, making it that a cross dresser can go into a womens locker by identifying as transexual. the legal vocabulary has to adress the diffrent varieties of gender roles, and make clear who goes where and when.
But oh the newspeak can't have those things accurately defined Beacuse they are just deluded ideologies, well never use their vocabulary... Yet only that makes it possible to adress the issue in a sensible way and make legislation that solves the locker issues. the makers of their own drama...

We can’t ….. we don’t ….. even know how to respond as normal healthy adults.
We obviously can’t spend our lives engaging random musings that come from a teen’s first social studies class, and subsequent attempts at “rhetoric”. Or the equivalent from older people.
It’s Cloward-Piven - overwhelm everyone with nonsense, until they quit and walk away.
This thread has no hope of intelligent, reasoned consensus.
You win, I guess. At least as far as the “woo hoo hahahaha nana boo-boo” thing goes.
Hopefully there’s more useful approaches out there somewhere.
Or, we don’t talk anymore.
Hey, kudos to the internet, where anybody can say anything forever. True democracy, no rules, no adulting, no reason.

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: Asmodeus3

So you are advocating for manrape?

That would actually make an awful lot of sense...

You can insert this anywhere, in any argument, whether it meets the discussion or not.
Anybody can, any age, any topic.
What a shame.

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Dude that's just your opinion, something new for a change?

I am merely stating facts.

From your arguments I can still see you are trying to push a narrative and a pseudo-philosophy that almost nobody accepts here.

You said:

I'm for banning dicks in women's lockers, and pussy in mens lockers. No matter the chromosomes

Which directly implies you want to push your ideology by putting transmen with male pseudo-genitalia who are biologically female in the same spaces wth biological males, and vice versa.

As for transgender not been defined.. nothing is defined in gender ideology..everything is vague and ambiguous on purpose.

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: Asmodeus3

So you are advocating for manrape?

That would actually make an awful lot of sense...

Red herrings and nonsensical arguments. False conclusions based on your false claims.

You have now accused me of advocating manrape. Make sure you know the laws before you make such accusations. If you have any evidence for it lets see it...

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Dude that's just your opinion, something new for a change?

Didn’t Jeff Bridges say this in a popular movie, where we all thought it was funny because it was so ridiculous, foolish, the product of a drunken wasted life ?

a reply to: Terpene


The difference between your talk and the rest of us is that you provide your opinions fact-free. Something that everyone does who subscribes to the gender ideology.

The topic of the thread shows clearly what happens when the gender ideology meets the real world. The experiment seem to have failed...

a reply to: Terpene

Sounds to me like you cling alot to that role to define yourself.
No one is claiming anything, especially not away from you or any other women. there is enough women hood for everyone, and no one can take yours away...

First and foremost, it's disappointing and telling that you will not give me a direct answer to my direct question: What do men who identify as women have in common with all women but not men?

Just as important, it is disappointing and telling that you dismiss my/women's physical sex-based realities with a "role," and that you would tell me what I really think and feel rather than accept what I'm telling you I think and feel.

I have spent my entire life refusing labels and their attendant stereotypes. Including for women. I see nothing but stereotypes in men who identify as women, some very insulting and harmful to women.

I am asking you for any commonalities between men who identify as women with all women. It obviously isn't sex-based, which is the only thing all women have in common, so what commonalities does make them women?

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