Ankh Decoded

originally posted by: purplemer

originally posted by: ozmaoz47
a reply to: The Mystical Spiral

There's nothing to docode. The ankh represents a sandal strap.

When is the last time you saw the sun giving out sandal straps..

You'll have to take that one up with the people who write the hieroglyphic dictionaries. The identification was made early on. I haven't studied the whole "how they figured it out" process but there are apparently documents that show this to be the case. I have no clue where they'd be; any real Egyptologist could find it, however.

So when you look at Egyptian hieroglyphic dictionaries (Faulkner's Dictionary of Middle Egyptian) - I've linked to the query for 'sandal' there - you will see that the symbol is a sandal strap (page 69)

Also mentioned in many pages about ankhs

I *believe* that the first mention of this is in Gardiner's dictionary, published in 1927.

So... what's the possibility that it did NOT start as a symbol for a sandal strap? Pretty low, actually. As one of the earlier symbols that was decoded ("ankh" is one of those words that survives in the Coptic language and means 'life') it would have been one of the ones most argued about. There's the occasional paper today (though only by non-Egyptologists, or at least this is true of the papers I've found) that argues against this, but it kind of boils down to "I don't see a sandal strap there" and not much more substantial than that. Egyptologists, on the other hand, usually point out that the sound for sandal strap and life in Egyptian are similar (like "to, too, two" in English) and that in real cultures that develop alphabets, the "alphabet"/symbols are made up of things that represent a particular word that starts with that sound.

Like the letter A and the ox head

And that's as far as my knowledge goes at the moment. As I've said, to date the few arguments I've seen AGAINST it are mainly "well, it doesn't look like that to me" used by people who aren't actually ancient Egyptians.

originally posted by: The Mystical Spiral
Exactly , like I mentioned even other dynasties and priests within their own dynasties did not have the true meaning! It was only given to the Pharaoh, and chosen ones. Common man were not even allowed access to these walls and Temples. I would even say that many dynasties even the Pharoah did not know the true origins.

That's kind of hard to believe, given that the Pharaoh was the High Priest of all the land and owned all the temples (and temple libraries) and was the one who appointed the most important priests (many of whom were his or her relatives.)

The Sun is the Main concern, also comets meteors.

If you'd made this claim about the Sumerians, it would be more believable. Egyptians didn't record any comets and there's no word for "meteor." or for "comet." Their tables of star positions are... just unbelievably bad.

In ancient times like now the main concern is what can kill you or make you stronger that's coming from above

In material like the ostrika and other documents from places like Wadi-el Jarf, they worry about demons of sickness and trouble with in-laws and food and the condition of the Nile flood. Not a single one mentions disasters from above.

Do you have a link to some documents with direct translations (from hieroglyphs) that shows they feared comets or celestial disasters?

Also look at the context of what you're translating!
Sandals are the key to life? The breath of life ??
No , maybe the key to having protected feet !

It has the same sound as the word for 'life' and is MUCH easier to drawn than the concept, "life." Like a bee and the word "be." Bees don't have anything to do with the idea of existence, but the words sound similar and only the spelling differentiates them. Same with the ankh (they had a number of words where the ankh-sound was the first sound of those words.)

Coronal Mass ejections are literally interplanetary expanding ankh loops or bubbles of the sun breathing high density plasma that contain large slowly rotating magnetic fields, hence the way ankhs are portrayed with arms and carried in the hand so it can be rotated. This high density plasma also contains cold ions , the cold waters of the otherworld, of life and death. They are magnetic force free flux ropes that are found in the corona, the interplanetary medium, the magnetotail current sheets, and the planetary Magnetopause current sheets ( science definition referenced from Russell 1999) Formed by Magnetic reconnection or velocity shears , these freely traveling solar flux "ankh" loops literally reflect the meaning , the structure and amazing dynamics of the Origin of the Egyptian Ankh or Akh.

And right there, you've confused two words.

"Ankh" and "Akh" aren't the same. Ankh is the looped cross. An Akh is a soul created when the soul fragments called the ba and ka unite.

Odgen Goelet Jr. Of the Department of Near Eastern Studies and my old professor Judy King translate akh or ankh as " the intelligent radiant one "

That's the akh. Not the ankh. Here's Britannica on the word 'akh'

a reply to: The Mystical Spiral

Feh. My browser's cranky tonight. In any case, the "akh" is what those professors are talking about and it is indeed the "divine radiant one." The purpose of the documents (like the Book of the Dead) is to allow the deceased to turn into a powerful akh, who can then intercede (act like an angel, if you will) on behalf of the living.

Its symbol is the crested ibis.

There are many prayers and references to akhs (plural 'akheru') in ancient Egypt (Here's Wikipedia on the idea of the soul in ancient Egypt)

The ankh doesn't come into it at all.


Confusing "akh" and "ankh" - which you'd do if you listened to something but NOT if you read something -- is why I prefer text.

You can see the entry for 'akh' here in Faulkner's dictionary and see that it's not the same as ankh (Faulkner, page 70)

originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: The Mystical Spiral

Also look at the context of what you're translating!
Sandals are the key to life? The breath of life ??
No , maybe the key to having protected feet !

Maybe protected feet were a gift from god, here's a look from a different perspective.

Sandals versus nothing would be a godsend, offering increased productivity and reduced injury.

Shoes in the farming community; The gift of life. A happy, well fed, productive community.

Shoes on your construction workers, the gift of everlasting life.

Comfortable feet are pretty important, makes more sense than solar events they had no method to observe.

Once
Again you are wrong
I can clear this up in one or two sentences!!!
In fact there's many words that are metaphorically and poetically being misunderstood, there's plenty of words for even comets or meteors. People think Chaldean was the first to have astronomy, Persian etc. But both these cultures stem from Ancient Vedic Aryan, the word in Egyptian for Meteoric Metal is "Ba"
Ba can also be a level for the soul , like ka , ba etc. Or in Hebrew nefesh , ruach etc. "Ba" was not only a prefix description of the level of the soul but also a prefix for " Meteoric Iron or Iron from the Heavens . The Levant adopted this also with words like
Baitylos which means meteors !!!!!
Like when the Mittani king gives a meteoric blade of iron to Amenhotep III in the Amarna Letters which ended up being the famous Alien Dagger of King Tut his grandson.

Byrd it seems like your goal is to just try and be a snooty know-it-all to other people's posts,in fact the way you matter of fact type it is acting like you're right and the post maker is wrong ! When in fact it seems like you're grabbing at straws and making very intelligent responses that waste time!!!!
No word in Ancient Egypt for meteors , man you need to do some homework before you answer posts like you're an authority

originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: The Mystical Spiral
Exactly , like I mentioned even other dynasties and priests within their own dynasties did not have the true meaning! It was only given to the Pharaoh, and chosen ones. Common man were not even allowed access to these walls and Temples. I would even say that many dynasties even the Pharoah did not know the true origins.

That's kind of hard to believe, given that the Pharaoh was the High Priest of all the land and owned all the temples (and temple libraries) and was the one who appointed the most important priests (many of whom were his or her relatives.)

The Sun is the Main concern, also comets meteors.

If you'd made this claim about the Sumerians, it would be more believable. Egyptians didn't record any comets and there's no word for "meteor." or for "comet." Their tables of star positions are... just unbelievably bad.

In ancient times like now the main concern is what can kill you or make you stronger that's coming from above

In material like the ostrika and other documents from places like Wadi-el Jarf, they worry about demons of sickness and trouble with in-laws and food and the condition of the Nile flood. Not a single one mentions disasters from above.

Do you have a link to some documents with direct translations (from hieroglyphs) that shows they feared comets or celestial disasters?

Also look at the context of what you're translating!
Sandals are the key to life? The breath of life ??
No , maybe the key to having protected feet !

It has the same sound as the word for 'life' and is MUCH easier to drawn than the concept, "life." Like a bee and the word "be." Bees don't have anything to do with the idea of existence, but the words sound similar and only the spelling differentiates them. Same with the ankh (they had a number of words where the ankh-sound was the first sound of those words.)

Coronal Mass ejections are literally interplanetary expanding ankh loops or bubbles of the sun breathing high density plasma that contain large slowly rotating magnetic fields, hence the way ankhs are portrayed with arms and carried in the hand so it can be rotated. This high density plasma also contains cold ions , the cold waters of the otherworld, of life and death. They are magnetic force free flux ropes that are found in the corona, the interplanetary medium, the magnetotail current sheets, and the planetary Magnetopause current sheets ( science definition referenced from Russell 1999) Formed by Magnetic reconnection or velocity shears , these freely traveling solar flux "ankh" loops literally reflect the meaning , the structure and amazing dynamics of the Origin of the Egyptian Ankh or Akh.

And right there, you've confused two words.

"Ankh" and "Akh" aren't the same. Ankh is the looped cross. An Akh is a soul created when the soul fragments called the ba and ka unite.

Odgen Goelet Jr. Of the Department of Near Eastern Studies and my old professor Judy King translate akh or ankh as " the intelligent radiant one "

That's the akh. Not the ankh. Here's Britannica on the word 'akh'

Bro Akh is used in various ways just Like ba
Ba can mean a level of the Soul
Ba can also mean iron from the sky or meteoric iron
stop going to Britannica for your definition, lets use wikipedia while youre at it. I can literally type in Google and get your reponses. Do you think Google anc encyclopedia can give you what these symbols truly mean? If that's the case and common man could translate them appropriately than we wouldn't still be bickering over it in 2023 . It's up to us to connect to the truth embedded within our genetic memory, the universe, the plasmic waters is speaking to our souls its a quantum plasmic network of information maybe you just can't hear the harmony ans the music of God or the universe, do you want me to show you that in supporting material as well, because they discuss even the harmonic cosmic law of free will, creativity and thought the Ma'at you referred to.
a reply to: Byrd

double post

a reply to: The Mystical Spiral

So rather than just saying BRO that's F'D UP, lets see some supporting material?

I'm still waiting for an observation method, which you seem to gloss over every time ...

"Channeled from RA" Doesn't count. Remember the motto here is "DENY IGNORANCE"

I agree they are imortsnt but it doesnt fit the rest of the context
reply to: Mike27

a reply to: The Mystical Spiral

So lets see some actual supporting material for your "facts"?

I've been giving you supporting material
Akh and Ba both are used for different meanings. Do you think encyclopedia brittanica knows what the true meaning on these are ?
Look at my response above
This isvonly one post
I will be going deeper to show you.
I just gave some deep intelligent responses
You guys said there's no word for meteors, wrong.
I showed you how the exact look , dynamics and definition of the ankh is the Coronal mass ejection.
Where on the internet would they be able to provide the true meaning of this in documents? When it was only kept to a chosen few thousands of years ago. It's up to to us to connect to the truth embedded within our genetic memory to see what they truly metaphorically and poetically represent. I can show you examples in many writings what they are actually discussing or at least on the right track but your egos are getting in the way. You want supporting material of the true meaning of these writings ???? If common man could translate them appropriately than we wouldn't be still discussing them thousands of years later. Channeled by Ra is a ridiculous statement. It's inside of all of us. Maybe you just haven't been able to hear the music of the universe yet Mike , because it sings loud and clear to me.
Much luv ❤️ for real I appreciate the greetings
reply to: Mike27

And I even gave definitions from scientists that describe the ankh cme
And
When did i say bro thats fd up?
I said he was being a byrd brain a reply to: Mike27

Akh
ncient Egyptian term for intelligence, spiritual light, illumination, irradiation
Long Description: the ancient Egyptian term for intelligence, spiritual light, illumination, irradiation; it sometimes used for both a spiritual being (the winged soul, ba, divinized and ( akh), a star irradiating light throughout the cosmos, this is also used in the word ankh
These are common mans ways of translating symbols really discussing the sun or star and its intelligent ankhs of plasma being sent thru the Cosmos.
I even showed the rotating field definition and eveything come-on!!!! Give me some credit here


a reply to: Byrd

Is rather not even give you any more info actually reply to: Mike27

You guys didnt even know that Ba is used for other meanings in Egypt like
Iron of the heavens or meteoric iron
This is amateur scholar information
I'm a real scholar , seriously, that's have come to my own conclusions after decades of going through all the available translations. You guys are going to the internet for your responses and definitions.
You prolly had to even Google the word baitylos when I brought up Ba being meteoric iron as well , please
This is even the origins of the Hebrew word Bethel from Baitylos or Baetyl stone or imeteoric iron of the heavens. Like Bethel can be translated " House of God " or house of the heavens" but it can also be translated Iron doors of The heavens,
a reply to: Mike27

Heyya MS, how you doing? I’ve been following along with interest and in not sure if you were aware about the impoliteness of attacking the player and not the ball?

Byrd it seems like your goal is to just try and be a snooty know-it-all to other people's posts,in fact the way you matter of fact type it is acting like you're right and the post maker is wrong

The guy was asking for links and quotes, which is a standing ATS standard of post integrity, without which information can be discounted with prejudice so to speak.

Also from the post I quoted of yours the bulk of it is Byrd’s words, perhaps you have placed the [ quote]/[ /quote] incorrectly? They can be quite frustrating if not kept in order.

I have very little knowledge of this subject and am keen to read debate about subject from those who know, name calling I can find in the mud pit.


reply to: The Mystical Spiral

You guys didnt even know that Ba is used for other meanings in Egypt like
Iron of the heavens or meteoric iron
This is amateur scholar information
I'm a real scholar , seriously, that's have come to my own conclusions after decades of going through all the available translations.

Well, yeah that’s right.

You could add some links to save us scurrying around the internet looking at the wrong sources.

Scholarly sources would be ok, some of us can read and comprehend that sort of thing, layman’s sources of a level you feel is appropriate for us would be just fine as well.

Or if you feel it would be easier to set aside the current bone of contention and continue with the in depth extrapolation that would be ok as well.

They, read we, will try to hold you to a standard of providing links and quoting from them to reinforce your assertions (and not just you personally, but everyone’s). Anything less is considered unsubstantiated opinion.

a reply to: Dalamax

They, read we, will try to hold you to a standard of providing links and quoting from them to reinforce your assertions (and not just you personally, but everyone’s). Anything less is considered unsubstantiated opinion.

I wouldn't count on that happening. I think The Mystical Spiral has already made it pretty clear (even from his original post) that he derives his information from sources that aren't documented. You just have to read between the lines in his comments such as...

Do you think Google anc encyclopedia can give you what these symbols truly mean? If that's the case and common man could translate them appropriately than we wouldn't still be bickering over it in 2023 . It's up to us to connect to the truth embedded within our genetic memory, the universe, the plasmic waters is speaking to our souls its a quantum plasmic network of information maybe you just can't hear the harmony ans the music of God or the universe, do you want me to show you that in supporting material as well, because they discuss even the harmonic cosmic law of free will, creativity and thought the Ma'at you referred to.

AND AGAIN...

Where on the internet would they be able to provide the true meaning of this in documents? When it was only kept to a chosen few thousands of years ago. It's up to to us to connect to the truth embedded within our genetic memory to see what they truly metaphorically and poetically represent. I can show you examples in many writings what they are actually discussing or at least on the right track but your egos are getting in the way. You want supporting material of the true meaning of these writings ???? If common man could translate them appropriately than we wouldn't be still discussing them thousands of years later. Channeled by Ra is a ridiculous statement. It's inside of all of us. Maybe you just haven't been able to hear the music of the universe yet Mike , because it sings loud and clear to me.

And while The Mystical Spiral claims that the idea that his information coming from channeling Ra is ridiculous, I'm just waiting for him to come out and admit that he might be using his "sacred copper and crystals" (that he sells) to put himself into some kind of altered state that allows him to travel to the sun or the cosmos to visit the ancient gods personally to get his information. Seriously. I'm just waiting to see how long he's going to argue with everyone before he just comes out with it.

a reply to: Deetermined

yup, its all happy, feel good, new age wish wash based on feelz and secrets so important to their way of life they never made even one note about it.

I prefer to read the actual lines The Spiral is new and possibly still not used to posting here.

a reply to: Deetermined

It’s not their arguing that’s the issue it’s that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Asking for the reader to feel the deeper connection (whatever that maybe) will have strange and unpredictable results lol.

If anything the OP has encouraged members to post some interesting evidence and opine congenially