You Either Keep Getting Your Booster Shots Or Admit You Were Wrong

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: Grenade

You cite facebook-esque blogs and push vaccine disinformation, your opinion of my math skill ranks very low on the list of things I am concerned with. 🙄

The numbers and sources speak for themselves. And since my side of the debate is the only side who presented properly sourced figures, there is really only one side to this debate. The other side hasn't shown up - merely flung wild allegations and transparent deflection while hoping people wouldn't notice.

Too bad this is ATS, people will take notice.

Ever get those magnets to stick?

Yes, all your estimations were wrong together with your analysis. All numbers, statistics, were wrong and all of your conclusions were wrong.

What numbers and sources? The ones that you have created our of your mind? All the arguments based on these numbers and sources have been refuted repeatedly.

You claimed 13 million doses have been administered worldwide and then you went on a safari from one mistake to another. Insisting you were correct and doubting common sense, i e that 5.5 billion people have been vaccinated in the world.

You tried to find the rate of adverse reactions by dividing the reported cases registered in Florida by the total number of shots given worldwide (!) without even thinking how wrong it this. And then you came up with the wrong conclusions...

You completely disregarded the number of asymptomatic individuals and those who have minor symptoms I e a very large number of cases and you ended up with a fatality rate of 1% saying that 1 in 103 who get infected die.... Another very wrong claim because you used the case fatality rate and not the infection fatality rate.

Not only your arguments are flawed and have been refuted but you are propagating misinformation at a very large scale.

And yes you can keep your boosters up together with the wrong conclusions, false arguments, wrong numbers and statistics, and the plenty of misinformation.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

The risk from the vaccines are significantly less than a COVID-19 infection.

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: Asmodeus3

The risk from the vaccines are significantly less than a COVID-19 infection.

It is obvious that you don't understand the meaning of benefit to risk ratio for all age groups as well as short, medium, and long term effects. And neither what the infection fatality rate is on a global average level and per age group.

As a starter you should consider to what happened to the Astrazeneca vaccine... It has been withdrawn from most countries that have used it, including the UK the country of origin of the vaccine. It wasn't sage and effective.

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: Asmodeus3

The risk from the vaccines are significantly less than a COVID-19 infection.

Even if that were true, which it's not, it's compound risk, IE adding more risk.

ditto.

originally posted by: Mantiss2021
a reply to: v1rtu0s0

I get a flu shot every year.

I'll be getting a pneumonia booster and a tetanus booster next month.

I've had the C19 vaccine, and I am up to date with my boosters (4th was this last November).


No flu since I started getting the shots.

Never had COVID, despite being exposed several times by family members who refused the vaccine, subsequently became infected. Several of their like-minded friends have died.

I've suffered no adverse side effects from any of the vaccines/boosters I've received.

In fact, I feel really good.


Your mileage may vary.

a reply to: MrsSparkles

No vaccine apologetics please and denialism of reality and no defending of the pharmaceuticals. Certainly no stories and accounts that are obviously not true and are made up to propagate already debunked narratives.

I see this is your second post on this site. You will need a bit of evidence to convince others. The story from the other member is unconvincing and obviously made up.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

I'm hardly "defending of the pharmaceuticals". I couldn't give a fiddlers f*ck about big pharma. I live in Spain where we have national healthcare, which i fervently support.
I'm merely stating that my situation is identical to that of Mantiss2021

originally posted by: MrsSparkles
a reply to: Asmodeus3

I'm hardly "defending of the pharmaceuticals". I couldn't give a fiddlers f*ck about big pharma. I live in Spain where we have national healthcare, which i fervently support.
I'm merely stating that my situation is identical to that of Mantiss2021

Ok. So you are up to date with your boosters and you will continue to get boosted until the end of times? Don't you think this is a great support for the pharma profits?? Because the rely on the masses to boost their profits. Without you and everyone else they are nothing.

a reply to: v1rtu0s0

If it's an admission of being wrong you are on about.

Well, how come 40% of the UK are not dead with your VAIDS nonsense claim yet?

You see, you can't have it both ways nether when your doom porn fails to materialise.

I didn't say that I'd get boosted until the end of time.
I'll see how things go.
What I do know is that in 2017 and 2018 there were approximately 1700 deaths (each year) that were directly related to Influenza (aka the Flu). In the first three months of the COVID epidemic there were 23,400+ deaths related to COVID (here in Spain). I believe that the vaccine is responsible for the huge reduction that we've had in COVID deaths since September 2021.

I'm just curious, are you against the COVID vaccine or all typical vaccines such as
Chickenpox (Varicella)
Diphtheria, tetanus, and whooping cough (pertussis) (DTaP)
Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib)
Measles, mumps, rubella (MMR)
Polio (IPV) (between 6 through 18 months)
Pneumococcal (PCV)
Hepatitis A (HepA)
Hepatitis B (HepB)
a reply to: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: MrsSparkles
I didn't say that I'd get boosted until the end of time.
I'll see how things go.
What I do know is that in 2017 and 2018 there were approximately 1700 deaths (each year) that were directly related to Influenza (aka the Flu). In the first three months of the COVID epidemic there were 23,400+ deaths related to COVID (here in Spain). I believe that the vaccine is responsible for the huge reduction that we've had in COVID deaths since September 2021.

I'm just curious, are you against the COVID vaccine or all typical vaccines such as
Chickenpox (Varicella)
Diphtheria, tetanus, and whooping cough (pertussis) (DTaP)
Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib)
Measles, mumps, rubella (MMR)
Polio (IPV) (between 6 through 18 months)
Pneumococcal (PCV)
Hepatitis A (HepA)
Hepatitis B (HepB)
a reply to: Asmodeus3

I am obviously against products that have not passed the health and safety standards and have been sold as safe and effective when in reality have caused great harms including deaths.

The official narrative the vaccines have saved lives is just an official narrative but the issue with the official narratives is that they rely on emotion and emotional manipulation and not on facts. Everything that was propagated by the establishment turned out to be wrong. From the origin of the virus, to herd immunity, to natural immunity, to asymptomatic spread, to fatality rates, to the safety and effectiveness of these products. And so many others.

a reply to: MrsSparkles
What early treatment was allowed at the start of covid?
What drugs did the hospitalised receive in hospital?

a reply to: Asmodeus3

So have you been vaccinated against any of the other maladies MrsSparkles raised?

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Asmodeus3

So have you been vaccinated against any of the other maladies MrsSparkles raised?

When I was younger.

Not for SARS-CoV-2 as I am not naive or stupid or ignorant. And certainly I am not a vaccine junkie and in general I use medications only when they are absolutely necessary.

As I said above everything that was propagated by the establishment turned out to be wrong. From the origin of the virus, to herd immunity, to natural immunity, to asymptomatic spread, to fatality rates, to the safety and effectiveness of these products. And so many others.

The establishment tried to create an ideology out of the vaccines. But the vaccine ideology is a legitimate as the transgender ideology.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

Then it seems to me you freely pick and choose where vaccines are concerned.

Choice after all is a good thing.

Now where junkies are concerned well those are people with a compulsive habit or obsessive dependency on something.

"vaccine junkies" as you put it, would be hitting up mRNA vaccines 4 times a day or thereabouts.

Where are the people doing that?

Medications should be used where applicable far as i can establish.

a reply to: andy06shake
If you don't need to take a medicine.....why take it?

Some people start taking antidepressants instead of looking for an alternative......and then they can't stop taking them.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

If you don't need to take a medicine.....why take it?

Which medicine?

If it the vaccinations that were on offer for a limited period of time your are going on about i imagine for preventative reasoning and to keep those susceptible to COVID-19 out of hospital.

Some people start taking antidepressants instead of looking for an alternative......and then they can't stop taking them.

Most doctors don't hand them out like sweeties any longer, so there is that.

What does depression and/or antidepressants have to do with mRNA vaccines through?

You cannot be inoculated against depression Itisnowagain but you can against some communicable diseases.

a reply to: andy06shake
Where can a vaccine adict obtain 4 doses a day when they can only get the amount they are allowed?

a reply to: Itisnowagain

They cant because mRNA vaccine ""addicts"" are not a thing far as im aware.

But if there was a demand for such, trust me when i tell you that someone would accommodate their needs.

Because that's how supply and demand functions, here, there, and everywhere else around the globe.

a reply to: andy06shake

I am sure there are some that will take every shot that they are offered.

While there are many others that are not going for boosters.