You Either Keep Getting Your Booster Shots Or Admit You Were Wrong

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: Asmodeus3

It disproved your assertion that these vaccines were being used under some sort of emergency use authorization - they are not. In fact, they are approved according to the same process every other drug is approved under.

Still haven't shared a single link... still waiting.

The emergency authorisation they got by no means proves safety and effectiveness.

You don't need links for basis knowledge and basic arithmetic/math.

But as I see you are confused even in basic calculations.

a reply to: JBurns


You don't have the numbers and statistics to make comparisons. You have even confused millions with billions. You actually believed there were millions of doses given. Not even common sense.

And on the basis of these million of doses toy have concluded the vaccines are safe and effective.

Nonsensical claims and plenty of vaccine apologetics and denialism of reality.

a reply to: JBurns

Before debating and trying to engage in these vaccine apologetics and denialism of reality you need to do the math correctly b

You said

For the last time, 13 million doses of the COVID-19 vaccine has been given world wide.

And

Not my calculation, an actual number by actual credible sources which I've linked. Something you've failed to do even once.

You're pushing an agenda. Q-anon drivel.

I reject your 5.5 billion number. I haven't seen that from a credible source. Facebook doesn't count. Even if so, it only further proves my point.

Clearly in a turmoil.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

Given your thread history, you've clearly invested quite a bit into this narrative. It is unfortunate because you are one of the people who need deprogrammed the most. The entire anti-vaccine argument appeared to be legitimate in the beginning because quite a few of the concerns were in fact valid. The problem is all of the armchair doctors, sudden scientists and virus-gurus that cropped up on social media decided to start passing their opinion off as though it was equally valid to properly sourced qualified research and clinical studies.

You've made multiple materially false claims already.

The 20:20 nature of looking back 2+ years changes everything. While no one should ever be forced to take any medicine or undergo any medical procedure against their will, the arguments against vaccination went so far beyond that. Magnetic arms? 5G death chip activation? Microchipping? Not only have those not been substantiated, they have been individually and uniquely totally debunked.

I openly advocated against the vaccines in the beginning. But I woke up and realized how moronic the arguments were.

They may sound more psuedo-scientific now, but they are no less ridiculous. That VAERS database? Anyone can submit anything they want to the VAERS database. Ever stop to consider that an uptick in blood clots was at least in part a result of the typical person's sedintary lifestyle combined with the ridiculous lock down garbage?

I don't expect anything beyond canned replies from you, you've shown a total unwillingness to share one single source. You ask us to accept your opinion which you handily present as fact with nothing more than an assurance you "did your research"? Where? Where did you do your research? Looking at images online is not research. Reading circular confirmation posts among groups of people who had already made up their minds is not research. There's zero objectivity.

One day, people following the true believers like yourself will look back and wonder how they had been so thoroughly duped. Luckily, they will probably live to do so, only because COVID is nowhere near as deadly or dangerous as it had been exploited to be. But there was still a threat, to be sure, and spreading the kind of intentionally dense false information with the intent of causing others to think twice is shameful. People have a right to make an informed decision on the vaccine, this means having all the facts not opinions pretending to be facts. You are depriving them of their right to know the facts.

a reply to: JBurns


How and when products have been proven to be safe and effective and where they were tested before? Do you know the short, medium and long term effects? The benefit to risk ratio for every age group?

The number of shots isn't proof of the safety and effectiveness of these products.

The number of participants in the original clinical phase trials isn't proof of safety and effectiveness of these products. You can't even establish short term effects let alone medium and long term effects.

Emergency authorisation doesn't prove safety and effectiveness.

Try again please. Have in mind that Pfizer didn't even test for transmission and has falsified data.

Try to prove your statements that these 'vaccines' are safe and effective. Giving a Gov website that asserts these products are safe and effective and reassures the public, is by no means a valid proof.

Stop engaging in vaccine apologetics.

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Given your thread history, you've clearly invested quite a bit into this narrative. It is unfortunate because you are one of the people who need deprogrammed the most. The entire anti-vaccine argument appeared to be legitimate in the beginning because quite a few of the concerns were in fact valid. The problem is all of the armchair doctors, sudden scientists and virus-gurus that cropped up on social media decided to start passing their opinion off as though it was equally valid to properly sourced qualified research and clinical studies.

You've made multiple materially false claims already.

The 20:20 nature of looking back 2+ years changes everything. While no one should ever be forced to take any medicine or undergo any medical procedure against their will, the arguments against vaccination went so far beyond that. Magnetic arms? 5G death chip activation? Microchipping? Not only have those not been substantiated, they have been individually and uniquely totally debunked.

I openly advocated against the vaccines in the beginning. But I woke up and realized how moronic the arguments were.

They may sound more psuedo-scientific now, but they are no less ridiculous. That VAERS database? Anyone can submit anything they want to the VAERS database. Ever stop to consider that an uptick in blood clots was at least in part a result of the typical person's sedintary lifestyle combined with the ridiculous lock down garbage?

I don't expect anything beyond canned replies from you, you've shown a total unwillingness to share one single source. You ask us to accept your opinion which you handily present as fact with nothing more than an assurance you "did your research"? Where? Where did you do your research? Looking at images online is not research. Reading circular confirmation posts among groups of people who had already made up their minds is not research. There's zero objectivity.

One day, people following the true believers like yourself will look back and wonder how they had been so thoroughly duped. Luckily, they will probably live to do so, only because COVID is nowhere near as deadly or dangerous as it had been exploited to be. But there was still a threat, to be sure, and spreading the kind of intentionally dense false information with the intent of causing others to think twice is shameful. People have a right to make an informed decision on the vaccine, this means having all the facts not opinions pretending to be facts. You are depriving them of their right to know the facts.

Word salad and nonsense.

Those who are programmed are those who follow official narratives and dogma i.e the vaccine apologists and denialists of reality.

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Given your thread history, you've clearly invested quite a bit into this narrative. It is unfortunate because you are one of the people who need deprogrammed the most. The entire anti-vaccine argument appeared to be legitimate in the beginning because quite a few of the concerns were in fact valid. The problem is all of the armchair doctors, sudden scientists and virus-gurus that cropped up on social media decided to start passing their opinion off as though it was equally valid to properly sourced qualified research and clinical studies.

You've made multiple materially false claims already.

The 20:20 nature of looking back 2+ years changes everything. While no one should ever be forced to take any medicine or undergo any medical procedure against their will, the arguments against vaccination went so far beyond that. Magnetic arms? 5G death chip activation? Microchipping? Not only have those not been substantiated, they have been individually and uniquely totally debunked.

I openly advocated against the vaccines in the beginning. But I woke up and realized how moronic the arguments were.

They may sound more psuedo-scientific now, but they are no less ridiculous. That VAERS database? Anyone can submit anything they want to the VAERS database. Ever stop to consider that an uptick in blood clots was at least in part a result of the typical person's sedintary lifestyle combined with the ridiculous lock down garbage?

I don't expect anything beyond canned replies from you, you've shown a total unwillingness to share one single source. You ask us to accept your opinion which you handily present as fact with nothing more than an assurance you "did your research"? Where? Where did you do your research? Looking at images online is not research. Reading circular confirmation posts among groups of people who had already made up their minds is not research. There's zero objectivity.

One day, people following the true believers like yourself will look back and wonder how they had been so thoroughly duped. Luckily, they will probably live to do so, only because COVID is nowhere near as deadly or dangerous as it had been exploited to be. But there was still a threat, to be sure, and spreading the kind of intentionally dense false information with the intent of causing others to think twice is shameful. People have a right to make an informed decision on the vaccine, this means having all the facts not opinions pretending to be facts. You are depriving them of their right to know the facts.

Do you think that Covid is a virus?

a reply to: Asmodeus3

Real high quality reply there Asmodeus.

www.hopkinsmedicine.org...
www.cdc.gov...
penntoday.upenn.edu...

Your opinion is not a valid substitute for a competent medical provider's professional assessment. That is a decision a patient and doctor should make, risk vs reward. Its a real shame so many people give equal weight to information and facts.

For a million reasons you should not trust the government. But it isn't just the government, it is every medical board, organization and academic institution out there. There have been a few legitimate Doctors put forward their own questions and issues, great. I guarantee you will never hear them talking about microchips or implying you will drop dead if you take the vaccine. They are most likely talking about possible risks, which they are all very upfront about.

Some people see that legitimate doubt and it allows every ridiculous opinion presented as fact on the Internet seem suddenly credible. Possible. Sounds a lot like those forming religions about the ridiculous "Trump will be indicted" crowd. They just need one straw to cling on to to keep the religion going. And the anti-vaccine thing has moved from a fringe left wing movement to a mainstay among 20%+ of the population of the country.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

COVID is a disease caused by a specific virus, I don't feel the need to sound pseudo-scientific in my posts by referring to it the way you do.

I'm not a scientist. I don't play one on TV. Neither should you.

Luckily I'm not presenting my opinion as fact, I present properly sourced material (something you could not do) which is very different from opinion. My opinions are clearly indicated as such. I would never be so arrogant as to substitute them for fact.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

The only one perpetuating any dogma around here is you. You are clearly part of the anti-vax true believers, that is your perogative. I don't care whether you take it or not, I've made it clear that is your choice to make. And in making that choice you should have access to the best, most accurate information possible.

The combined work of all these (however untrustworthy) organizations is still worth more than even the best uninformed opinion copy/pasted from a social media website.

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: Asmodeus3

COVID is a disease caused by a specific virus, I don't feel the need to sound pseudo-scientific in my posts by referring to it the way you do.

I'm not a scientist. I don't play one on TV. Neither should you.

Luckily I'm not presenting my opinion as fact, I present properly sourced material (something you could not do) which is very different from opinion. My opinions are clearly indicated as such. I would never be so arrogant as to substitute them for fact.

Its obvious you are not a scientist or even graduate and by your own admission.

Opinions are not presented as facts, generally speaking.

But before engaging in debates someone needs to know the basis and do the basis math before arguing that 13 millions doses have been given to 5.5 plus billion people. Arguing again and again

In another thread other members have replied to you and argued there is a bulk of scientists who are against the official narratives for a number of reasons and not some laymen who happened to have a keyboard and writing whatever comes to their mind.

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: Asmodeus3

The only one perpetuating any dogma around here is you. You are clearly part of the anti-vax true believers, that is your perogative. I don't care whether you take it or not, I've made it clear that is your choice to make. And in making that choice you should have access to the best, most accurate information possible.

The combined work of all these (however untrustworthy) organizations is still worth more than even the best uninformed opinion copy/pasted from a social media website.

Antivax is a pejorative and doesn't exist in the medical or scientific literature. Not a real term.

Nowhere the effectiveness and safety of these products have been proven. The opposite has happened. There are several calls to withdraw the mRNA products from the market just as the Astrazeneca and the J&J vaccines were withdrawn from most countries that used them.

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: Asmodeus3

The only one perpetuating any dogma around here is you. You are clearly part of the anti-vax true believers, that is your perogative. I don't care whether you take it or not, I've made it clear that is your choice to make. And in making that choice you should have access to the best, most accurate information possible.

The combined work of all these (however untrustworthy) organizations is still worth more than even the best uninformed opinion copy/pasted from a social media website.

And obviously I am not naive or stupid to experiment on myself with untested, experimental, and potentially hazardous products that could cause a range of conditions and death.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

Here is another (#5) credible link for you: www.floridahealth.gov...

First of all, the VAERS reports should be taken with a grain of salt considering anybody can make a report. If you had a hangnail you would report it to VAERS and probably blame magnetic DNA manipulation or any reason you type in fast enough.

Because I guarantee that is precisely how much time went into all this "research" you lambast me for allegedly having not done. The thing is, you're wrong. I thought exactly the way you did, initially. But I eventually read one too many crazy theories and the reality of the situation started to hit me. I was softening on them well before making the informed choice to get one. I figured that a year in use should've been enough time to hash out any serious problems, and when all I could find in my "research" was claims about magnets sticking to arms (clickbait) or radio signals or micrchips and whatever else I realized how idiotic it was.

Not being one that is willing to accept my own bias as fact, I went ahead and purchased a SDR unit and a magnetometer just to put it to the test. At first I considered myself a bit of a lab rat, wasn't sure what to think. But I got the first shot and went to work: no radio, no magnetism, nothing but a sore shoulder.

It is just like the perpetual witch hunt against Trump, its one thing after the other. When one thing doesn't come true, "here's why"

It's like Q-anon
Or 2012
Or any number of times the world itself was supposed to end unless we click this link, or follow this topic, or whatever else

These are the John Titor hoaxes of the current time

Every last link I provided is more than clear on the potential risk:
www.nature.com...

But that risk is smaller than the risk of COVID. Which itself is very small. This makes the chance of reacting negatively infinitely small.

Those are the facts, no opinion whatsoever, and people should make their choice with information like that. Not copy/paste facebook pages.

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: Asmodeus3

COVID is a disease caused by a specific virus, I don't feel the need to sound pseudo-scientific in my posts by referring to it the way you do.

I'm not a scientist. I don't play one on TV. Neither should you.

Luckily I'm not presenting my opinion as fact, I present properly sourced material (something you could not do) which is very different from opinion. My opinions are clearly indicated as such. I would never be so arrogant as to substitute them for fact.

Your are presenting nothing useful in this case. There is nothing that will help your assertions.

I don't have to present anything in our conversations as there is no need to.

Given you are new to the conversations and I haven't seen you around, at least for the time I have been around, you may want to take a look at my threads that are full of peer reviewed publications and scientific articles as well as pre-prints.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

That Reads As: you won't provide any source or link whatsoever to back up any of the claims you've made

a reply to: Asmodeus3

know the basis and do the basis math

Go ahead, do the math...

Seriously, lets see the math.

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Here is another (#5) credible link for you: www.floridahealth.gov...

First of all, the VAERS reports should be taken with a grain of salt considering anybody can make a report. If you had a hangnail you would report it to VAERS and probably blame magnetic DNA manipulation or any reason you type in fast enough.

Because I guarantee that is precisely how much time went into all this "research" you lambast me for allegedly having not done. The thing is, you're wrong. I thought exactly the way you did, initially. But I eventually read one too many crazy theories and the reality of the situation started to hit me. I was softening on them well before making the informed choice to get one. I figured that a year in use should've been enough time to hash out any serious problems, and when all I could find in my "research" was claims about magnets sticking to arms (clickbait) or radio signals or micrchips and whatever else I realized how idiotic it was.

Not being one that is willing to accept my own bias as fact, I went ahead and purchased a SDR unit and a magnetometer just to put it to the test. At first I considered myself a bit of a lab rat, wasn't sure what to think. But I got the first shot and went to work: no radio, no magnetism, nothing but a sore shoulder.

It is just like the perpetual witch hunt against Trump, its one thing after the other. When one thing doesn't come true, "here's why"

It's like Q-anon
Or 2012
Or any number of times the world itself was supposed to end unless we click this link, or follow this topic, or whatever else

These are the John Titor hoaxes of the current time

Every last link I provided is more than clear on the potential risk:
www.nature.com...

But that risk is smaller than the risk of COVID. Which itself is very small. This makes the chance of reacting negatively infinitely small.

Those are the facts, no opinion whatsoever, and people should make their choice with information like that. Not copy/paste facebook pages.

I have already made a thread about it.

If VAERS is not very credible then what about the FDA, CDC, Pfizer, Moderna, and the rest of the saviours of humanity?

It is an assertion that the risk from Covid is less than the risk from the vaccines in all cases. There is no evidence for it and it is a debunked claim.

You have yo keto up with the literature.

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: Asmodeus3

That Reads As: you won't provide any source or link whatsoever to back up any of the claims you've made

In this thread I don't need to. As you don't need a link to disprove the assertions that 13 million shots have been administered worldwide. It's just false.

Or that the vaccines are safe and effective. No evidence exists on this, other than official narratives and assertions. It's another false claim.

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: Asmodeus3

know the basis and do the basis math

Go ahead, do the math...

Seriously, lets see the math.

I leave them to you.

I am curious on how 13 million doses can be divided among 5.5+ billion people.