The Myth of Herd Immunity to SARS-CoV-2

a reply to: Asmodeus3

As before, my sources say something different than your sources.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: MaxxAction

We were told? We were told they would help stop transmission, we were told they were safe and effective, no one said they were bullet proof, when you went to get a shot they even have a warning of myocarditis, or other adverse affects, you're literally just taking a small pocket of instances and running with it and filling the holes in your theory with whatever you can grasp at.

The rest of your post is just assumptions, someone posted in here that there's what 33k reported VAERS situations? Did you know over 12.5 billion shots have been given?
But let me guess... "they" are severely unreporting...

I get people want answers, and want to hold humans accountable for something because they've been personally impacted by this, we all have every person on the planet has been affected by this, but to think there's some mass global connected conspiracy to get everyone to take death jabs or whatever is absurd, the world elite can barely keep supply chains open let alone control every person on the planet. But wanna know what did hit almost every person on the planet and will one day? Covid 19. A virus,

Vaccines don't prevent transmission or infection and don't significantly reduce them. Hence herd immunity is not possible.

Persons under the age of 50 who are healthy are in no need of these products. Simple.

Nope...

All rates are relative to the 18 to 29 years age group. This group was selected as the reference group because it has accounted for the largest cumulative number of COVID-19 cases compared to other age groups. Sample interpretation: Compared with ages 18 to 29 years, the rate of death is 3.5 times higher in ages 30 to 39 years, and 350 times higher in those who are ages 85 years and older.

www.cdc.gov...

Vaccines don't prevent transmission or infection not they significantly reduce them.

The quoted text is part of the Government's official narrative which is under challenge continuously. You shouldn't rely on the CDC only.

www.eugyppius.com...

Cleveland study conducted to demonstrate the clinical effectiveness of the bivalent vaccines accidentally finds that the risk of Covid-19 infection increases with each prior vaccination
Also too, the bivalent jab turned out to be no more than 30% effective at preventing Covid — and this at the height of BA.5 variant, against which it was targeted.

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Asmodeus3

As before, my sources say something different than your sources.

You sources in herd immunity didn't say that herd immunity could be achieved. One was saying the opposite actually.

If you use common sense you will see why herd immunity isn't possible. But apparently you don't seem to have the basic knowledge to argue here.

a reply to: quintessentone

If there was herd immunity then there would be no new infections for those who have already been infected or vaccinated. That's not happening so there is no herd immunity. It's not even debatable.

a reply to: quintessentone

Achieving herd immunity with Covid vaccines when the highly infectious delta variant is spreading is "not a possibility," a leading epidemiologist said.

Herd immunity is achieved when a majority of people in a population are immune to a virus or disease. It's achieved through vaccination or natural infection, leading to reduced transmission.
Sir Andrew Pollard, head of the Oxford Vaccine Group, described the idea of achieving herd immunity as "mythical."

www.cnbc.com...

a reply to: Asmodeus3

Great thread! The false immunity claims were like the small print in a loan advert…

‘Hey folks, look here, free money! A great deal, pay nothing for a year…’

And in the small print

‘After a year pay 10x more interest than regular loans and your house, job and life are equity we will seize’

But for a anyone with an modicum of critical thinking will see that pharma’s falsehoods has nullified the rationale for taking the vaccine:

1) If they lied about this, then what else are they lying about?

2) If they simply didn’t know, then what else don’t they know yet?

They’ve made it a bad bet

originally posted by: McGinty
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Great thread! The false immunity claims were like the small print in a loan advert…

‘Hey folks, look here, free money! A great deal, pay nothing for a year…’

And in the small print

‘After a year pay 10x more interest than regular loans and your house, job and life are equity we will seize’

But for a anyone with an modicum of critical thinking will see that pharma’s falsehoods has nullified the rationale for taking the vaccine:

1) If they lied about this, then what else are they lying about?

2) If they simply didn’t know, then what else don’t they know yet?

They’ve made it a bad bet

There are still members here who are arguing herd immunity can be achieved.

The pharma and their cronies in government have lied about a series of matters and cannot be trusted again.

First post...haters go easy. One thing not mentioned yet is there were many other treatments. You all seem more up on things than I, but The Whitecoat Summit is one perfect example. Many other avenues beyond the "choices" of Vax or no Vax.
There are other groups, but when 1000 respected medical professionals are banned from social media, my BS detector threw all kinds of red flags. There were already ways to help the most vulnerable but that information was forcefully suppressed.


Star Wars, “only siths think in absolutes”

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
a reply to: quintessentone

Achieving herd immunity with Covid vaccines when the highly infectious delta variant is spreading is "not a possibility," a leading epidemiologist said.

Herd immunity is achieved when a majority of people in a population are immune to a virus or disease. It's achieved through vaccination or natural infection, leading to reduced transmission.
Sir Andrew Pollard, head of the Oxford Vaccine Group, described the idea of achieving herd immunity as "mythical."

www.cnbc.com...

Herd immunity is achieved when a majority of people in a population are immune to a virus or disease. It's achieved through vaccination or natural infection, leading to reduced transmission.

That's what I am arguing with you that...herd immunity is achieved when a majority of people in a population are immume through vaccination OR natural infection...BOTH are true.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
a reply to: quintessentone

Achieving herd immunity with Covid vaccines when the highly infectious delta variant is spreading is "not a possibility," a leading epidemiologist said.

Herd immunity is achieved when a majority of people in a population are immune to a virus or disease. It's achieved through vaccination or natural infection, leading to reduced transmission.
Sir Andrew Pollard, head of the Oxford Vaccine Group, described the idea of achieving herd immunity as "mythical."

www.cnbc.com...

Herd immunity is achieved when a majority of people in a population are immune to a virus or disease. It's achieved through vaccination or natural infection, leading to reduced transmission.

That's what I am arguing with you that...herd immunity is achieved when a majority of people in a population are immume through vaccination OR natural infection...BOTH are true.

You are arguing that herd immunity has been achieved or could be achieved.

However

Achieving herd immunity with Covid vaccines when the highly infectious delta variant is spreading is "not a possibility," a leading epidemiologist said.

Herd immunity is achieved when a majority of people in a population are immune to a virus or disease. It's achieved through vaccination or natural infection, leading to reduced transmission.
Sir Andrew Pollard, head of the Oxford Vaccine Group, described the idea of achieving herd immunity as "mythical."

Herd immunity is a myth.
No way you can get herd immunity with SARS-CoV-2

Since then we have even more highly transmissible and Infectious variabts.

It's a simple.

a reply to: quintessentone

Definition

Herd immunity is a form of indirect protection that applies only to contagious diseases. It occurs when a sufficient percentage of a population has become immune to an infection, whether through previous infections or vaccination, thereby reducing the likelihood of infection for individuals who lack immunity

Are we immune to infections from SARS-CoV-2?

a reply to: Asmodeus3

The experts out there are saying it is unclear whether or not herd immunity can be achieved through vaccination due to many different factors, as I provided sources above - unclear at this time - MAY be impossible - but one thing for sure is that if enough of the population is vaccinated then protection is achieved. If the virus mutates without changing the N protein then protection is achieved but if the virus mutates and changes the N protein then herd immunity can never be achieved, but they are only making educated guesses that is why they contradict each other.

There is nothing different about Covid herd immunity or flu herd immunity.

Herd immunity is a thing, and in the simplest terms, it means if you get one version of one virus, you will likely never get it again. If the virus mutates, then yes, you can get it again. Sometimes it mutates to a version where you are STILL protected, and when it mutates to a version that you can get again, most of the time, you are still SOMEWHAT immune, meaning you do not get as bad a case, as evidence has shown earlier that people previously infected with Wuhan strain were protected all the way up until Omicron.

At the time of H1N1, it was observed that few if any people over the age of 50 got it, and that was because they'd recovered from a similar enough flu years or decades before, and thus were immune. Mutations happen, but they continue mutating, often BACK into a version you're immune to.

So while mutations happen, the human immune system does a pretty damn good job of keeping up, far better than any vaccine does.

The term herd immunity was stolen by the pharma companies, and uselessly applied to vaccines, and has never been proven to work with vaccines, because it doesn't, since all vaccines wane, in the case of influenza vaccine, as early as 8 months later.

Herd immunity is hardly a myth.

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Asmodeus3

The experts out there are saying it is unclear whether or not herd immunity can be achieved through vaccination due to many different factors, as I provided sources above - unclear at this time - MAY be impossible - but one thing for sure is that if enough of the population is vaccinated then protection is achieved. If the virus mutates without changing the N protein then protection is achieved but if the virus mutates and changes the N protein then herd immunity can never be achieved, but they are only making educated guesses that is why they contradict each other.

It has already been settled. That claim was propagated at the beginning of the pandemic. Most have abandoned herd immunity as a concept, if not all.

Achieving herd immunity with Covid vaccines when the highly infectious delta variant is spreading is "not a possibility," a leading epidemiologist said.

But again we don't need the experts. It's a basic concept that anyone can understand.

Q: Have infections stopped over the last three years? Are we immune to infections from SARS-CoV-2?

The answer is simply NO. Hence no herd immunity according to the definition.

originally posted by: thebtheb
There is nothing different about Covid herd immunity or flu herd immunity.

Herd immunity is a thing, and in the simplest terms, it means if you get one version of one virus, you will likely never get it again. If the virus mutates, then yes, you can get it again. Sometimes it mutates to a version where you are STILL protected, and when it mutates to a version that you can get again, most of the time, you are still SOMEWHAT immune, meaning you do not get as bad a case, as evidence has shown earlier that people previously infected with Wuhan strain were protected all the way up until Omicron.

At the time of H1N1, it was observed that few if any people over the age of 50 got it, and that was because they'd recovered from a similar enough flu years or decades before, and thus were immune. Mutations happen, but they continue mutating, often BACK into a version you're immune to.

So while mutations happen, the human immune system does a pretty damn good job of keeping up, far better than any vaccine does.

The term herd immunity was stolen by the pharma companies, and uselessly applied to vaccines, and has never been proven to work with vaccines, because it doesn't, since all vaccines wane, in the case of influenza vaccine, as early as 8 months later.

Herd immunity is hardly a myth.

We have immunity against severe disease and death but not against re-infections with a different variant.

Most other things you said I agree with.

I should have phrased it: The Myth of Herd Immunity through vaccination.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

...but it don't need the experts... (your words)

Yes, it and we do need the experts.

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Asmodeus3

...but it don't need the experts... (your words)

Yes, it and we do need the experts.

Which you have taken it out of context...
We don't need the experts to understand basic concepts such as herd immunity. (You may need them by the way as you assume everyone knows the same)

Herd immunity can't happen when there are new emerging and highly infectious variants.

a reply to: quintessentone

Herd immunity is a form of indirect protection that applies only to contagious diseases. It occurs when a sufficient percentage of a population has become immune to an infection, whether through previous infections or vaccination, thereby reducing the likelihood of infection for individuals who lack immunity

Apply now the definition above.

It occurs when a sufficient percentage of a population has become immune to an infection

Has the population become immune to a new SARS-CoV-2 infection after having been vaccinated or infected with a previous variant?

If you have any ability to understand the science, you will see that all of these respiratory ailments began at the same time that 5G was introduced! The 5g frequency interrupts the absorption of oxygen in the lungs. Our government is the most corrupt organization ever assembled, and all you have to do is bribe them and they will look the other way!!!

Stupid sheeple do not like to do their homework. They just want someone to blame.

Humanity will not survive this current cycle of greed.

HAPPY FRICKIN NEW YEAR STUPID SHEEPLE

Pfizer's account on twitter
13th of January 2021

The ability to vaccinate at speed to gain herd immunity and stop transmission is our highest priority. There is a lot of work ahead, and our focus is on supporting points of vaccination💉, as that’s key to increasing the volume of people getting vaccinated every

They vaccinated at the speed of science and never checked whether they can prevent transmission with their super products. Their goal was to achieve herd immunity....

Herd immunity has been debunked.

Their goal was to increase the profit and this goal has been achieved.