Another global wave of lockdowns coming early 2023?

a reply to: McGinty

Respectfully I disagree, at its height, the US was losing 330 people a day, and while cases are up the death rate remains minuscule. Cases aren't even at the previous levels either though they are up.

The last chart below, is sorted by deaths per 100,000 persons those are the top countries. In Hong Kong deaths per 100,000 is point 49 as in .49 it takes 200,000 cases to get almost 1 COVID death.

Don't see the need to panic... where am I wrong based on statistics and not speculation?




The world is saturated with nothing but the Omnicron variant it just doesn't pull the severity in cases or number of deaths, the map and graph look nothing like it did during the height of any "wave"

nextstrain.org...

originally posted by: McGinty
a reply to: network dude

Sorry, misread your original post as sarcasm. Personally I don’t believe anything’s been learned by tptb in government and elsewhere except how to tweak the business model to milk even more money and freedoms from the masses

The problem with thinking things like that is that Covid is just such an ineffective and inefficient way to do it.

Nobody is really gaining any useful methods of control, and the money that's being made is offset by the trillions being lost elsewhere by shutting down things like the entertainment industry.

If anything, covid is forcing governments to micromanage things and to take on more and more low level administration tasks. Things like that are a good way to increase your costs and to decrease your efficiency, not to build a power base that you could use to rule the world.

Governments are also well aware that things like mask mandates create resentment and pushback. They gain a stupid power on paper, and lose control in the real world because people refuse to comply with this and other things.

a reply to: McGinty

I really don't think that's going to happen. The world can't financially or socially afford another lockdown. Even China let up because it's people were revolting. Most Americans are over Covid, so they won't take it well. If I'm wrong, I'll admit it. However, the possiblity no longer seems feasible to me.

I suffer from long-term neurologic effects of Covid. Even so, the consequences of another lockdown outweigh what I've experienced. The next disease will have to be more deadly or more crippling to the survivors for people to accept another shutdown.

a reply to: AaarghZombies


Lmao....

achieved herd resistance

It's allmost 2023 now and they still push with the vaccines.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

I’d suggest that vaccines going into a few billion arms a few times per year for at least the next 10 years dwarves all other sales that those particular pharma make.

All those business loses you outlined are severe and hugely detrimental to society. But are they detrimental to the pharma manufacturing and selling the vaccines? Are they detrimental to the politicians and officials getting kick back bribes into offshore accounts?

I have no proof of the latter, but given the dodgy, nonsensical deals our governments are making with pharma, with our money (as told by Dr Campbell in the second vid) there’s a big enough hole in the bucket of your not so watertight bucket of trust in tptb.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

For most businesses it’s a disaster. For the likes of Amazon it’s a miracle. They didn’t pay any taxes before due to massive international fraud and lying accounting but that’s ok they paid off all the politicians and civil servants with the huge tax free revenues they earned.

Essentially lockdowns are just governments creating huge international monopolies for their financial owners.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: Kenzo

At most we're going to have advise to wear masks on public transport and to socially distance, but defiantly not mandates. Covid is just the flu for us due to vaxxing.

As I said in the OP I agree that the coming global wave may be no worse than a flu (though that’s not certain; once it’s passed through so many so fast mutations won’t be identified until it’s already well established in the wild)

Problem comes with the R number of 20. That would cause an almost instant overload of the healthcare system. Once that happens it triggers the more draconian lockdown measures. It has to!

a reply to: McGinty

I haven’t bothered to read your OP or anyone else’s comment’s. I’ve come here to say what people have said on many platforms across the world…lockdowns don’t work against a virus.

And I live in one of the most lockdown countries in the world. People where I live, won’t do it again.

So I will tell you now, lockdowns will not be happening in 2023.

If they do, I will not comply.

a reply to: InwardDiver

I certainly hope you’re right 👍🏻

originally posted by: Kenzo
a reply to: AaarghZombies


Lmao....

achieved herd resistance

It's allmost 2023 now and they still push with the vaccines.

Indeed! Can’t have both ways.

a reply to: Ohanka

Exactly! While most of us lose out, certain sectors are gobbling down that treasure. With so much money and influence at their disposal is it really a mystery that the venal business of politics seems to be stricken with so many bad decisions that rape the public purse and rewards those big corporations!

History will like say of all this ‘Duh!’

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: Kenzo


Here we go again

No, here "you" go again.

We vaxxed heavily and early, and have achieved herd resistance. Life here has been more or less back to normal since 2021.

At most we're going to have advise to wear masks on public transport and to socially distance, but defiantly not mandates. Covid is just the flu for us due to vaxxing.

Respectfully then why are the highly vaxxed countries that are pulling over 4-figure cases per day and on the increase in the last 14 days all highly vaccinated?

We have accumulated enough data that we can make some educated conclusions

www.nytimes.com...



Here are the recent trends the countries with the most cases currently are vaxxed at 68% or above, that doesn't bare out vaccinated immunity at all its the opposite well that and obviously other factors

seriously am I wrong? just discussion this civilly

originally posted by: Kenzo
a reply to: AaarghZombies


Lmao....

achieved herd resistance

It's allmost 2023 now and they still push with the vaccines.

Maybe where you live, but not here. We have herd immunity, so it's totally different.

The vax is barely even mentioned any more. We dismantled the vax centers early in 2022 because they simply weren't being used any more. It's actually a chore to get one because there are so few places administering them. Before the problem was that everywhere was booked up in advance. They're mostly just being done as an add-on service with the seasonal flu shot.

If you want a booster and you're not a senior with co-morbidity you need to book using the normal vaccine procedure, the one used for childhood vaccines and vaxxing if you're going on a foreign holiday.

Even covid itself is barely a thing, it's just the flu. You don't even need to quarantine if someone in your house has it. You just get on with your life. No mask mandates, no social distancing, even the hand disinfection stations are only around because some people never bothered to take them down.

a reply to: putnam6

When you have a population in the 10s of millions 4 figure cases per day is barely even a thing. It's the cases per 100,000 that matter because this is how you compare the situations in areas with vastly different population sizes.

Actual cases are also not really important these days because there is a high level of immunity in the populace. It's not cases that count, it's cases of serious sickness.

If 10,000 people get covid and its just the flu, that's a lot less serious than if 1,000 people get it and need critical care.

a reply to: McGinty

I shouldn't have to explain the covid games to anyone at this point...

a reply to: putnam6

Absolutely, omicron is probably, hopefully the gateway to heard immunity (if it’s doesn’t mutate in ‘wrong direction’ - no guarantees)l

However, what concerns me is the vastly increased R number of this variant. An R of 20 is hugely bigger than anything we’ve experienced in the west. It could well be a comparatively overnight wave. With even a small percentage of them needing hospital treatment it will fill wards and corridors in the blink of an eye.

This isn’t about mortality rates, it’s about such sudden increases triggering draconian measures (along with greasing the wheels that pump money from the public coffers into private hands

a reply to: AaarghZombies




The vaxx is working really good ...

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: putnam6

When you have a population in the 10s of millions 4 figure cases per day is barely even a thing. It's the cases per 100,000 that matter because this is how you compare the situations in areas with vastly different population sizes.

Actual cases are also not really important these days because there is a high level of immunity in the populace. It's not cases that count, it's cases of serious sickness.

If 10,000 people get covid and its just the flu, that's a lot less serious than if 1,000 people get it and need critical care.

I added cases in the 100,000s of thousands go back and check the link every country with over 100,000 daily cases is highly vaccinated For example Japan rocking 165,181 cases per day and vaccinated at 82% being vaccinated isn't stopping Japan in fact looked at earlier Japan's population is the receiving more doses currently than any other developed nation I can pull that up too if you are interested.

I mean damn Arrrgh, we have ATSer's in Japan getting worried the cases are sky rocketing after they have been lockdown, clamped, down, protocoled masked and vaxxed



www.nytimes.com...

a reply to: McGinty

Why would there be worldwide lockdowns?

As far as I can tell China delayed the inevitable until it had a potential revolution on it's hands, they probably have more than 1 billion people who never came into contact with COVID. That saying who knows?

China isn't exactly sharing when it comes to domestic information.

The rest of the world?

We moved on. We had our jabs and plenty of exposure to variants too. Seems to me the worst is over for us and it's been that way since 2021.

I have plenty of theories about COVID, it's ATS and we all have theories...

The one that sticks out now is that COVID was never a Chinese weapon, it was never aimed at the world either.

The obvious target was always where it 'originated' and I'd base that on the way they reacted to COVID. If China was at risk of collapsing yesterday I'd have to say it's tomorrow's are numbered.

I'd say the west will continue to blame them as we suck on the teet that finally failed to yield.

originally posted by: McGinty
a reply to: AaarghZombies

All those business loses you outlined are severe and hugely detrimental to society. But are they detrimental to the pharma manufacturing and selling the vaccines? Are they detrimental to the politicians and officials getting kick back bribes into offshore accounts?

To be blunt, yes.

One of the reasons why vaccines usually take so long to produce is that there is very little profit in them. They're expensive to research, expensive to manufacture, and expensive to have certified. Not least of all because every market has slightly different rules and regulations.

Another consideration is volume.

In 2020 the prices for vaccine in the EU were regulated and controlled. This means that the AstraZeneca vax cost about $5 per shot. At the same time the US government was paying around $20 for the Pfizer vax.

That's 2 shots per person in 2021 and between 0 and 4 boosters in 2022, in 2023 we're likely to see maybe 0-2 boosters taken before flu season in seniors and maybe 0-1 in everyone else.

Now factor in the take-up rates in the EU and US, and the fact that fewer people are going to get vaxxed in 2023 than in 2021 due to reduced booster take up.

On paper, that sounds like a lot of money, but in reality that's about $80 per person per year, presuming that they get all 4 boosters.

Now compare that to the amount of money that the cosmetics industry lost due to women spending less money due to lockdown. Maybe a loss of $500 per woman, more if you include hair care products.

Just think how much money is being lost simply because people weren't buying hotdogs in ball parks, or beer at football games.