Scot left unable to stand after Covid vaccine reaction raising money for stem cell treatment

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: Asmodeus3

The most plausible explanation is the vaccine. We have never discussed about proof in any part of the thread and one can can argue according to the evidence presented.

What evidence other than assumptions is there that it was caused by the vaccine?
Like others have pointed out Correlation does not mean causation. The News article made no mention of any other condition that John Watts has, but that does not mean that he didn't have any?
If a bus passes you at the same time you have Pulmonary embolism is the buis the reason for it? No!
The article is click bait for those with an anti-vaccine bias.
Please post John Watts medical credentials as you seem to thing his word is be all and end all to his condition?

Nobody has discussed proof here on this thread. But there is a high correlation between the vaccine and the debilitating condition John Watts developed.

The bus example is bad and terrible.
The mRNA vaccines are known to cause several health issues including heart disease. The passing of a bus can't cause you heart disease...

The vaccine is the most plausible explanation for his condition. The family says that John Watts was a very healthy individual with no known conditions and having already been vaccinated. There doesn't seem to be any stealth disease he had or any sign of Covid or any other viral infection.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

Nobody has discussed proof here on this thread. But there is a high correlation between the vaccine and the debilitating condition John Watts developed..

Many members have discuss and talked about no evidence for the covid vaccination causing John Watts' POTS and other than John Watts' word there's no correlation.

The bus example is bad and terrible.
The mRNA vaccines are known to cause several health issues including heart disease. The passing of a bus can't cause you heart disease...

Thats your opinion because it doesn't conform to your cognative bias, it's a perfect example of what could have happened in the John Watts case and is just as likely given how little actual evidence there is.
There's just as much proof that the reason John Watts has said the vaccine caused the reaction is to try and get a payout.
I honestly don't know how someone can make so many assumptions about a story???

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Nobody has discussed proof here on this thread. But there is a high correlation between the vaccine and the debilitating condition John Watts developed..

Many members have discuss and talked about no evidence for the covid vaccination causing John Watts' POTS and other than John Watts' word there's no correlation.

The bus example is bad and terrible.
The mRNA vaccines are known to cause several health issues including heart disease. The passing of a bus can't cause you heart disease...

Thats your opinion because it doesn't conform to your cognative bias, it's a perfect example of what could have happened in the John Watts case and is just as likely given how little actual evidence there is.
There's just as much proof that the reason John Watts has said the vaccine caused the reaction is to try and get a payout.
I honestly don't know how someone can make so many assumptions about a story???

The mRNA vaccines are known to cause several health issues including heart disease. The passing of a bus can't cause you heart disease... Terrible example

The vaccine is the most plausible explanation for his condition. The family says that John Watts was a very healthy individual with no known conditions and having already been vaccinated

Yes there are few members who are vaccine apologists and can't accept the vaccine is the most plausible explanation. Most others are fine.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

The mRNA vaccines are known to cause several health issues including heart disease. The passing of a bus can't cause you heart disease... Terrible example

I didn't use heart disease as a example, and I think you'll find POTS is a heart condition and not heart disease, so much for your great medical experience??

The vaccine is the most plausible explanation for his condition. The family says that John Watts was a very healthy individual with no known conditions and having already been vaccinated

So John Watts' family are medically trained? would you post that clip from the article again? The family of John Watts have made assumptions based on limited medical knowledge, just like you have here...

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: Asmodeus3

The mRNA vaccines are known to cause several health issues including heart disease. The passing of a bus can't cause you heart disease... Terrible example

I didn't use heart disease as a example, and I think you'll find POTS is a heart condition and not heart disease, so much for your great medical experience??

The vaccine is the most plausible explanation for his condition. The family says that John Watts was a very healthy individual with no known conditions and having already been vaccinated

So John Watts' family are medically trained? would you post that clip from the article again? The family of John Watts have made assumptions based on limited medical knowledge, just like you have here...

POTS isn't a heart condition, it's an issue with the autonomic nervous system. The nervous system is controlled by the brain.

a reply to: v1rtu0s0

POTS isn't a heart condition, it's an issue with the autonomic nervous system. The nervous system is controlled by the brain.

I know exactly what POTS is I posted a link from the British HEART foundation for it's possible causes, but as Asmodeus tried to say it was heart disease, i was posting that it had more incommon with a heart condition than disease, also you do understand Postural Tachycardia is in reference to in the term POTS?

Postural tachycardia syndrome, also known as postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome (PoTS), is a condition that causes an abnormal increase in your heart rate after sitting up or standing up. The most common symptoms are feeling lightheaded or dizzy, palpitations (being aware of your heartbeat) and fatigue.

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: Asmodeus3

The mRNA vaccines are known to cause several health issues including heart disease. The passing of a bus can't cause you heart disease... Terrible example

I didn't use heart disease as a example, and I think you'll find POTS is a heart condition and not heart disease, so much for your great medical experience??

The vaccine is the most plausible explanation for his condition. The family says that John Watts was a very healthy individual with no known conditions and having already been vaccinated

So John Watts' family are medically trained? would you post that clip from the article again? The family of John Watts have made assumptions based on limited medical knowledge, just like you have here...

I was referring to myocarditis, pericarditis and heart disease associated with vaccines. POTS is a syndrome which manifests with high heart rate when one such as John Watts can't even stand let alone walk. Never said that tachycardia is a heart disease.

The mRNA vaccines are known to cause several health issues including heart disease. The passing of a bus can't cause you heart disease... Terrible example

I don't think you understand well what the syndrome is regardless of your posting if links.

The vaccine is the most plausible explanation for his condition. The family says that John Watts was a very healthy individual with no known conditions and having already been vaccinated.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

I was referring to myocarditis, pericarditis and heart disease associated with vaccines. POTS is a syndrome which manifests with high heart rate when one such as John Watts can't even stand let alone walk. Never said that tachycardia is a heart disease.

You clearly don't understand as those are heart conditions and not heart disease. Your understanding is clearly lacking here, just like John Watts and his family...

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: Asmodeus3

I was referring to myocarditis, pericarditis and heart disease associated with vaccines. POTS is a syndrome which manifests with high heart rate when one such as John Watts can't even stand let alone walk. Never said that tachycardia is a heart disease.

You clearly don't understand as those are heart conditions and not heart disease. Your understanding is clearly lacking here, just like John Watts and his family...

You can take a look

www.bhf.org.uk...#:~:text=to%20get%20support-,What%20is%20myocarditis%3F,heart%20muscle%20(the%20myocar dium).

Myocarditis is a disease that causes inflammation of the heart muscle (the myocardium).

a reply to: Asmodeus3
www.heart.org...

Myocarditis is a serious though rare condition where inflammation develops in the myocardium, or middle muscular layer of the heart wall.

The condition may be acute and resolve quickly. Or it may be chronic, lasting longer than two weeks. In severe cases, myocarditis may lead to stroke, heart attack, heart failure or death.

www.myocarditisfoundation.org...

Causes of Each Condition
The three types of inflammation don’t just differ in their location, as they often have different causes. “Pericarditis is most often caused by a viral illness,” explains Klein. “The same goes for myocarditis.” The virus can be something as simple as a common cold or the flu that migrates to the heart and infects it. An infected outer heart lining (pericardium) is incredibly painful especially with breathing and debilitating, while an infected heart muscle (myocardium) can even weaken the heart.

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: Asmodeus3
www.heart.org...

Myocarditis is a serious though rare condition where inflammation develops in the myocardium, or middle muscular layer of the heart wall.

The condition may be acute and resolve quickly. Or it may be chronic, lasting longer than two weeks. In severe cases, myocarditis may lead to stroke, heart attack, heart failure or death.

Myocarditis is a disease that causes inflammation of the heart muscle (the myocardium).

If you have read a little on the subject and not trying to play with words (and played it smart) you would have seen that the words condition and disease are used interchangeably just like in other diseases.

John Watts has POTS which manifests as tachycardia but

Tachycardia may not cause any symptoms or complications. But if left untreated, some forms of tachycardia can lead to serious health problems, including heart failure, stroke or sudden cardiac death.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

Myocarditis is a serious though rare condition where inflammation develops in the myocardium, or middle muscular layer of the heart wall.

The condition may be acute and resolve quickly. Or it may be chronic, lasting longer than two weeks. In severe cases, myocarditis may lead to stroke, heart attack, heart failure or death.

We can keep posting the same quotes till the sun explodes here, and I'm happy to do so. Condition is used far more than disease as this refers to other heart problems such as CHD.
If you had read more you'd understand this and the differences.

Yes, I know John Watts has POTS, but as for the cause, it's just his assumption that it was caused by the vaccine and isn't proven.

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Myocarditis is a serious though rare condition where inflammation develops in the myocardium, or middle muscular layer of the heart wall.

The condition may be acute and resolve quickly. Or it may be chronic, lasting longer than two weeks. In severe cases, myocarditis may lead to stroke, heart attack, heart failure or death.

We can keep posting the same quotes till the sun explodes here, and I'm happy to do so. Condition is used far more than disease as this refers to other heart problems such as CHD.
If you had read more you'd understand this and the differences.

Yeas, I know John Watts has POTS, but as for the cause, it's just his assumption that it was caused by the vaccine and isn't proven.

Condition and disease are used interchangeably. And I often refer to condition and some other times to disease.

You said

You clearly don't understand as those are heart conditions and not heart disease. Your understanding is clearly lacking here, just like John Watts and his family...

However...

Myocarditis is a disease that causes inflammation of the heart muscle (the myocardium).

The above definition is from the British Heart Foundation and from your country of origin. I think they know well what myocarditis is.

You said that my choice of words was wrong but the British Heart Foundation proves me right and proves you wrong. But there is no need to refer to them. It's just common sense.

www.uptodate.com...

DEFINITIONS

Myocarditis is an inflammatory disease of the myocardium. Inflammatory cardiomyopathy is defined as myocarditis accompanied by cardiac dysfunction [3]. Inflammatory cardiomyopathy can lead to dilated cardiomyopathy or be associated with other cardiomyopathies.

Nobody has proved the cause yet but the vaccine is the most plausible explanation given the circumstances and as the family has described the condition of John Watts.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

Condition is used far more than disease as this refers to other heart problems such as CHD but they can both can be used by the lay person, which why its on the site as most untrained people will use both terms.

Nobody has proved the cause yet

As you state here, nobody has proven the cause, so again assumptions shouldn't be made as this is what leads to misdiagnosis.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: Asmodeus3

The mRNA vaccines are known to cause several health issues including heart disease.

The suspected association is to one particular type of (usually non-fatal) heart disease, myocarditis, not to every type of heart disease, nor to just any malady that happens subsequent to a vaccination.

There has to be a significant statistical correlation, which means more than just one or two instances when a treatment/vaccine has been administered billions of times.

The passing of a bus can't cause you heart disease... Terrible example

That was exactly their point! Making the assumption that because there is a coincidence, that there is a a cause, is faulty reasoning.

The vaccine is the most plausible explanation for his condition. The family says that John Watts was a very healthy individual with no known conditions and having already been vaccinated

And yet, the photos of John Watt in the article show he was tattooed.

The injection of compounds that are not tightly medically controlled, in a less than clinically clean situation, hundreds of times (not just the once, where the immune system can deal with any infection), surely might have been a possible cause? Did he possibly get some new ink in the time-frame of the vaccination?

I'm not saying that a tattoo session caused his problems, but I am saying that there could be other, more likely possible causes that are not mentioned in the article.

Yes there are few members who are vaccine apologists and can't accept the vaccine is the most plausible explanation. Most others are fine.

Perhaps I could explain by widening the scope a little:

There are companies that sell all sorts of supplements that are either useless, or are just plain bad for people. These companies all get their sales by utilizing a few individual testimonials, and not by hundreds or thousands of subjects in clinical scientific studies. These few testimonials have an emotional response among most readers, who come to believe them, because they have not engaged with the true data on the subject.

John's case is an individual testimonial. It does not have the scientific rigor of multiple tested individuals.

It might even have scientific value if there were very few that had been vaccinated, but there have been more than 13 billion doses of COVID-19 vaccines administered. In that situation, you need to have thousands of post vaccination POTS cases just to establish that there is a correlation, and tens of thousands to identify a probable cause.

In the case of the myocardial correlation to the vaccines, it is currently about one case in five million, and so the vaccines are not considered a cause of myocarditis, but there is a possibility that they might be, and so authorities are watching the values and adverse reactions in regard to myocarditis, very closely.

Please also note that despite initial hesitations by authorities, the vaccination campaigns are still going ahead in every country. It isn't because they are trying to kill or disable people.

a reply to: chr0naut

Yes the passing of a bus can't cause heart disease and nor is related to it. But vaccinations can cause you myocarditis, pericarditis, heart failure and death, and POTS.

In one of my other threads a 22-year old healthy individual from Korea died as a result of myocarditis post vaccination (Pfizer vaccine)
An autopsy was performed 24 hours after his death which confirmed the cause.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

As the number of people vaccinated against Covid-19 has increased, there have been multiple reports of myocarditis as an adverse events following immunization which was not observed in clinical trials

Multiple reports of myocarditis. But why they have not been seen in the clinical trials. Maybe because the clinical trials last for years and not for months?! You know what I mean I believe.

Your 1 in 5 million cases of myocarditis post vaccination needs some examination. This isn't true.

The vaccination campaign must be one of the greatest failures of science and medicine. It tried to impose itself via pressure, coercion, intimidation, blackmailing, scaremongering, and threats of dismissal by employers. As one of the Italian members of the European Parliament said: This is the greatest medical scandal in history.

The booster uptake is particularly low and there is no much future for these products. There have been calls for the pause and suspension of the vaccination campaign and there could be legal investigations and criminal charges against those who tried to impose it.

In terms of John Watts the most plausible explanation for his condition is the vaccine and not a viral infection or anything else.

I don't know that the tattoos have to do with his condition but I remember one day when you were saying that the Cambrian Explosion is not compatible with evolution...

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Nobody has discussed proof here on this thread. But there is a high correlation between the vaccine and the debilitating condition John Watts developed..

Many members have discuss and talked about no evidence for the covid vaccination causing John Watts' POTS and other than John Watts' word there's no correlation.

The bus example is bad and terrible.
The mRNA vaccines are known to cause several health issues including heart disease. The passing of a bus can't cause you heart disease...

Thats your opinion because it doesn't conform to your cognative bias, it's a perfect example of what could have happened in the John Watts case and is just as likely given how little actual evidence there is.
There's just as much proof that the reason John Watts has said the vaccine caused the reaction is to try and get a payout.
I honestly don't know how someone can make so many assumptions about a story???

The mRNA vaccines are known to cause several health issues including heart disease. The passing of a bus can't cause you heart disease... Terrible example

The vaccine is the most plausible explanation for his condition. The family says that John Watts was a very healthy individual with no known conditions and having already been vaccinated

Yes there are few members who are vaccine apologists and can't accept the vaccine is the most plausible explanation. Most others are fine.

Big question to me is why vaccine apologists can't see the correlation between coerced shots, known issues with said shots, strange things like high incidences of death with an "unknown' cause in many cases coming from government stats themselves.

I don't doubt some deaths were pure coincidences, a portion of them may be put down to increased lookout much like seeing more cars of a type once you own one, but the majority of the world got vaccinated and there are higher incidences of unusual deaths among the young. Unusual enough that we have the new phenomenon of SADS, and all manner of made up reasons people just drop dead despite old people like me having no recollection of that happening in the past. Again, a generalization, because of course it happened just not in the numbers it is now.

Imagine if each of us knew an average of one person who died every year in the past, then bump it up a tiny bit to 1.5 and it's still not super obvious but on a grand scale it could be considerable numbers. To be fair, the same could be said of covid or any disease too. These numbers seem to be just at the threshold of being noticeable in real life so it's just business as usual for most but still warrants looking at.

a reply to: Asmodeus3
You might be interested in watching Dr Beens latest video on yt..... it's titled:
'Covid Vaccine and Increased Incidence of POTS - Study.'

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: Asmodeus3
You might be interested in watching Dr Beens latest video on yt..... it's titled:
'Covid Vaccine and Increased Incidence of POTS - Study.'

I have already watched it but thanks for the link.
There are few good publications too that I will try to link when I have the time.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Zanti Misfit

Nice conversing.

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Nuff said.

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