Scot left unable to stand after Covid vaccine reaction raising money for stem cell treatment

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: chr0naut

You Bore me . Nuff Said . You do not Converse , but Preach Constantly .

That's OK.

You deliver your opinion, and then insult any who suggest something different.

You do not debate.

It's quite Obvious to me that you are Definitely NOT a " Free Thinker " like Myself . Your Posts here on ATS ALWAYS Follow a Pattern of Contrary Confrontation . It's as if your are Reading and Typing from a Bad Movie Script . If you are Capable of ANY Original Thought , Maybe then we can have a Conversation on Topics that Entail SOME Original Ideas . Until then , Carry On Mate..........

a reply to: Zanti Misfit

You just proved his point.

Conversations are best conducted without SHOUTING, by the way.

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: chr0naut

You Bore me . Nuff Said . You do not Converse , but Preach Constantly .

That's OK.

You deliver your opinion, and then insult any who suggest something different.

You do not debate.

It's quite Obvious to me that you are Definitely NOT a " Free Thinker " like Myself . Your Posts here on ATS ALWAYS Follow a Pattern of Contrary Confrontation . It's as if your are Reading and Typing from a Bad Movie Script . If you are Capable of ANY Original Thought , Maybe then we can have a Conversation on Topics that Entail SOME Original Ideas . Until then , Carry On Mate..........

Ah, but if I am simply relaying the truth, then it is not something of my own invention, and therefore I could not demonstrate that I 'just thought up' what i was posting.

If, however, I was proposing something that was my own invention, something generated from my own thoughts and no other, then that would demonstrate my cogitation, but of course, that would also be unlikely to be true in any absolute terms.

So, am I being true, but unoriginal, or the opposite?

a reply to: Kurokage

You have claimed that

You clearly don't understand as those are heart conditions and not heart disease. Your understanding is clearly lacking here, just like John Watts and his family...

But the reality is very different due to your lack of understanding of basic matters

Straight from the British Heart Foundation

www.bhf.org.uk...

Myocarditis is a disease that causes inflammation of the heart muscle (the myocardium).

And from the other source above

www.uptodate.com...

Myocarditis is an inflammatory disease of cardiac muscle that is caused by a variety of infectious and noninfectious conditions (table 1) [1]. It can be an acute, subacute, or chronic disorder, and may present with focal or diffuse involvement of the myocardium. Myocarditis can be produced by a variety of infectious and noninfectious causes [1]. In addition, many inherited cardiomyopathies (eg, Fabry disease and arrhythmogenic right ventricular [RV] cardiomyopathy) may present with features of acute or chronic myocarditis [2].

You then argued that only laymen use both words. I suppose you don't call the BHF as laymen.

And yes the most plausible explanation for John Watt's condition is the vaccine. It's not the plausible explanation to those who are vaccine apologists defenders of Pfizer and other pharmaceuticals.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

Layman’s terms means simple language that can be understood by the average person. It’s synonymous with “plain English” and refers to taking the perspective of someone who isn’t an expert.

Yes I see you as a laymen and that is why the terms are swapped. I also posted plenty of links showing condition is used.

And no the most plausible explantion for John Watts isn't just an asumption by none medical professionals, Unless you gave a cognative bias against the vaccine.

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Layman’s terms means simple language that can be understood by the average person. It’s synonymous with “plain English” and refers to taking the perspective of someone who isn’t an expert.

Yes I see you as a laymen and that is why the terms are swapped. I also posted plenty of links showing condition is used.

And no the most plausible explantion for John Watts isn't just an asumption by none medical professionals, Unless you gave a cognative bias against the vaccine.

You may do but it was you who made this argument which was easily refuted by just taking a look at the website of the British Heart Foundation

Myocarditis is a disease that causes inflammation of the heart muscle (the myocardium).

The most plausible explanation for John Watt's condition is the vaccine. It's not the most plausible explanation to those who are vaccine apologists and defenders of Pfizer and other pharmaceutical companies.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

Here we go with your "refuted" Hahahahahahaha.

Making an assumption does not make it plausible, but it is to those who are biased and have an anti-vaccine agenda.

a reply to: Kurokage

Imagine you want to argue on the basis of the words 'disease' and 'condition' and not even have a look at the British Heart Foundation claiming that using the word 'disease' is wrong. You can also use common sense but it might be difficult in this case.

Myocarditis is a disease that causes inflammation of the heart muscle (the myocardium).

a reply to: Kurokage

The vaccine is the most plausible explanation for his condition. The family says that John Watts was a very healthy individual with no known conditions and having already been vaccinated. There doesn't seem to be any stealth disease he had or any sign of Covid or any other viral infection or anything else.

Never said there is proof. But not all explanations are equally likely.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

Did you post your qualifications? I must have missed that?

Common sence is not to make assumptions!
There is no evidence in this case other than John Watts claim that the vaccinre caused his POTS. If I claim I am the Pope does that make it true?

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Did you post your qualifications? I must have missed that?

Common sence is not to make assumptions!
There is no evidence in this case other than John Watts claim that the vaccinre caused his POTS. If I claim I am the Pope does that make it true?

The first part is irrelevant to the conversation. Nobody posts personal information on online platforms by the way. I have never asked anyone to do so. Just to state whether they have some relevant degrees.

Common sense and assumption/hypothesis going together when there is no yet definite proof and a conclusion on what caused the condition. Otherwise nobody will be able to have a conversation.

The vaccine is the most plausible explanation for his condition. The family says that John Watts was a very healthy individual with no known conditions and having already been vaccinated.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

The first part is irrelevant to the conversation. Nobody posts personal information on online platforms by the way.

Says the person who asked me to post my qaulifications now 4 times as some poor attempt to prove his "superior" intelligence....

Common sense and assumption/hypothesis going together when there is no yet definite proof and a conclusion on what caused the condition. Otherwise nobody will be able to have a conversation.

Trying to tell people they are incorrect based on your assumptions is not a how you have a conversation.

The vaccine is the most plausible explanation for his condition. The family says that John Watts was a very healthy individual with no known conditions and having already been vaccinated.

People can have lots of illnesses that are "unseen" up till a point. I noticed that John Watts family claim he was a healthy individual and using your powers of assumption, going by the first picture he could very well be a steriod using body builder. We all know how much strain is but on the body by body builders.
Also as Member Chr0naut posted, he has tatoos. If the needles used weren't sterilized correctly that could also cause health problems. (back street tatoo artists use very old products called a Little Sister sterlizer)
Nothing has been posted about his families medical history either....

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: Asmodeus3

The first part is irrelevant to the conversation. Nobody posts personal information on online platforms by the way.

Says the person who asked me to post my qaulifications now 4 times as some poor attempt to prove his "superior" intelligence....

Common sense and assumption/hypothesis going together when there is no yet definite proof and a conclusion on what caused the condition. Otherwise nobody will be able to have a conversation.

Trying to tell people they are incorrect based on your assumptions is not a how you have a conversation.

The vaccine is the most plausible explanation for his condition. The family says that John Watts was a very healthy individual with no known conditions and having already been vaccinated.

People can have lots of illnesses that are "unseen" up till a point. I noticed that John Watts family claim he was a healthy individual and using your powers of assumption, going by the first picture he could very well be a steriod using body builder. We all know how much strain is but on the body by body builders.
Also as Member Chr0naut posted, he has tatoos. If the needles used weren't sterilized correctly that could also cause health problems. (back street tatoo artists use very old products called a Little Sister sterlizer)
Nothing has been posted about his families medical history either....

Nope that is not correct. Nowhere I have asked anyone to post his/her qualifications online. That's false. I have asked what kind of qualifications they have given that they behave as if they are experts.

The vaccine is the most plausible explanation for his condition and the family says that John Watts was a very healthy individual with no known conditions and having already been vaccinated. There doesn't seem to be any stealth disease he had or any sign of Covid or any other viral infection or anything else.

Unless you are claiming that John Watts was on steroids or that his family is lying.

So are claiming that John Watts was on steroids? Or they his family is lying about this matter? These are also possibilities but you need something to back them up.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

Nope that is not correct. Nowhere I have asked anyone to post his/her qualifications online. That's false. I have asked what kind of qualifications they have given that they behave as if they are experts.

You're joking right?
You've asked members Carpy2, Anyshake06 and me several times to post qualifications. Then when asked to posts yours you seem to want to move on, like you have something to hide??????

The vaccine is the most plausible explanation for his condition and the family says that John Watts was a very healthy individual with no known conditions and having already been vaccinated. There doesn't seem to be any stealth disease he had or any sign of Covid or any other viral infection or anything else.

Unless you are claiming that John Watts was on steroids or that his family is lying.

So are claiming that John Watts was on steroids? Or they his family is lying about this matter? These are also possibilities but you need something to back them up.

I need someting to back them up? I'm just making assumptions as you do here, but I'm making a case for several reasons and not just one based on bias agenda.

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Nope that is not correct. Nowhere I have asked anyone to post his/her qualifications online. That's false. I have asked what kind of qualifications they have given that they behave as if they are experts.

You're joking right?
You've asked members Carpy2, Anyshake06 and me several times to post qualifications. Then when asked to posts yours you seem to want to move on, like you have something to hide??????

The vaccine is the most plausible explanation for his condition and the family says that John Watts was a very healthy individual with no known conditions and having already been vaccinated. There doesn't seem to be any stealth disease he had or any sign of Covid or any other viral infection or anything else.

Unless you are claiming that John Watts was on steroids or that his family is lying.

So are claiming that John Watts was on steroids? Or they his family is lying about this matter? These are also possibilities but you need something to back them up.

I need someting to back them up? I'm just making assumptions as you do here, but I'm making a case for several reasons and not just one based on bias agenda.

Not really, I haven't. This is your own interpretation of matter as always. I have asked whether they have qualifications. Something fundamentally different to post them online. But since you have brought it up I have nothing to hide.

Yes but are there assumptions based anywhere?
Or all assumptions and hypotheses have the same weight.

There is a difference between speculating whether John Watts was using steroids and whether his family has lied and observing what has happened to him immediately after he received his booster vaccine without any other signs of Illness or infection close to that time.

There are some substances that can cause similar symptoms such as diuretics and beta-blockers. But there is no evidence he was taking any of them or any other substances.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

Not really, I haven't. This is your own interpretation of matter as always. I have asked whether they have qualifications. Something fundamentally different to post them online. But since you have brought it up I have nothing to hide.

I beg to differ, and you still won't post yours even though you try to infer someone with qualifications has more weight on a public forum than others do??

There is a difference between speculating whether John Watts was using steroids and whether his family has lied and observing what has happened to him immediately after he received his booster vaccine without any other signs of Illness or infection close to that time.

There is no difference, you've make assumptions here based purely on you biased opinions and using your way of thinking, his POTS could be caused by a leprechaun riding a unicorn for all we know...

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Not really, I haven't. This is your own interpretation of matter as always. I have asked whether they have qualifications. Something fundamentally different to post them online. But since you have brought it up I have nothing to hide.

I beg to differ, and you still won't post yours even though you try to infer someone with qualifications has more weight on a public forum than others do??

There is a difference between speculating whether John Watts was using steroids and whether his family has lied and observing what has happened to him immediately after he received his booster vaccine without any other signs of Illness or infection close to that time.

There is no difference, you've make assumptions here based purely on you biased opinions and using your way of thinking, his POTS could be caused by a leprechaun riding a unicorn for all we know...

You may beg to differ but I have never asked anyone to post anything here. Just asked whether they have. When someone is relevant they talk about relevant matters.

There is no difference? Nah I wouldn't say so. Climate change and leprechauns or pink unicorns are not the cause of John Watts condition.

The vaccine is the most plausible explanation for his condition. The family says that John Watts was a very healthy individual with no known conditions and having already been vaccinated. No other problems.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

You may beg to differ but I have never asked anyone to post anything here. Just asked whether they have. When someone is relevant they talk about relevant matters.

Maybe it's down to your improper use of the English language as it isn't your first language?

The family says that John Watts was a very healthy individual with no known conditions

You keep making this statement, does every family know the ins and outs of it members? Did they know for example if he was using steriods or any other drugs?

There is no difference? Nah I wouldn't say so. Climate change and leprechauns or pink unicorns are not the cause of John Watts condition.

If I use your way of thinking and making assumptions then any of these could be the reason behind his POTS.

The vaccine is the most plausible explanation for his condition. The family says that John Watts was a very healthy individual with no known conditions and having already been vaccinated. No other problems.

And again, you make the assumption that his family knows if he has any underlying unseen medical conditions. You seem to assume they are the medical experts here.

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: Asmodeus3

You may beg to differ but I have never asked anyone to post anything here. Just asked whether they have. When someone is relevant they talk about relevant matters.

Maybe it's down to your improper use of the English language as it isn't your first language?

The family says that John Watts was a very healthy individual with no known conditions

You keep making this statement, does every family know the ins and outs of it members? Did they know for example if he was using steriods or any other drugs?

There is no difference? Nah I wouldn't say so. Climate change and leprechauns or pink unicorns are not the cause of John Watts condition.

If I use your way of thinking and making assumptions then any of these could be the reason behind his POTS.

The vaccine is the most plausible explanation for his condition. The family says that John Watts was a very healthy individual with no known conditions and having already been vaccinated. No other problems.

And again, you make the assumption that his family knows if he has any underlying unseen medical conditions. You seem to assume they are the medical experts here.

John Watts and his family know better than me and you and everyone else. No diseases as far as they are concerned. They don't have to be experts to know about John Watt's general health.

Still...The vaccine is the most plausible explanation for his condition. The family says that John Watts was a very healthy individual with no known conditions and having already been vaccinated and had no other health issues.

The pink unicorns and climate change are not the reasons why he has this debilitating condition.

By the way of you don't understand what I am saying you can open a dictionary and you will find the English words you may not understand.

You can only make assumptions and a hypothesis at this stage given that there is no proof or conclusion. The most likely explanation is the vaccine.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

John Watts and his family know better than me and you and everyone else. No diseases as far as they are concerned. They don't have to be experts to know about John Watt's general health.

Really? they know better than medical experts and Doctors do they? I think Member Andyshake06 is Scottish, next time I'm feeling ill I must remember to ask him for his families opinion instead of a Doctor?!?!?

You can only make assumptions and a hypothesis at this stage given that there is no proof or conclusion.

So making the assumption that it was caused just by the vaccine shows you're only being led by your bias here and isn't the only explanation.....